1 hour ago, RLC said:

I'm a Doug defender, but he looks exhausted, the team has no life and his play-calling is not working with the personnel.

Unless we beat good teams (not the NFCE), he's going to have to go

That's fine, and maybe you are right... but leaving the GM and personnel group in place isn't going to do any good, at all.  Doug didn't make the draft picks going back to 2014.  

The primary issue on the team is talent level, especially young talent.  Yes, I am aware that they have had injuries the last few years.  That can't be the excuse every year.  Contributing to that is the age of the team.  The Eagles are what they are because of talent.  Coaching is a contributing but secondary factor, although much easier to change and therefore the easier scapegoat.

If you fire Doug, but leave Howie Roseman in place and bring in the next brilliant coach XYZ, and each year they still get guys like JJAW instead of DK Metcalf, Reagor over Jefferson, etc... spend high picks on injured guys like Sidney Jones that don't work out... take QBs in the 2nd round after just paying their own QB franchise money... take guys in round 1 that may not have the love of the game like Andre Dillard... go through the 2017 RB draft and emerge with Donnell Pumphrey... all while finding very few starters and no difference makers on day 3 in any given year... etc etc etc.  It doesn't matter who coaches the team, it is gonna be terrible.

It's past time to find a new leader for the football operation.  Get that person first, let them build a competent personnel department, and then let them work with the owner to find the right coach.

1 hour ago, RLC said:

I'm a Doug defender, but he looks exhausted, the team has no life and his play-calling is not working with the personnel.

Unless we beat good teams (not the NFCE), he's going to have to go

Maybe he's heading to a burn out like Dick Vermeil.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/brandon-graham-wants-eagles-self-police-their-elephant-room

Reading this feels like it might be directed or at least related to the report of Carson being sloppy in practice. 

Anyone else find it interesting that Alshon comes back to the active roster a few weeks ago, gets to play in one game, and immediately after that a report comes out about Carson at practice?  Yeah... I want that snake gone.   

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Anyone else find it interesting that Alshon comes back to the active roster a few weeks ago, gets to play in one game, and immediately after that a report comes out about Carson at practice?  Yeah... I want that snake gone.   

Good shout. I hadn't even really put that link together. I mean it could be a coincidence but let's be honest... Seems rather unlikely that it is doesn't it?

59 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

At this point I think its fair to say there are some leadership issues with Wentz. It comes up every single year. At first he wasn't approachable enough, now it seems he's over friendly. He wears his hat backwards! But seriously, there is a lot of smoke  in this area. 

Alshon is the arsonist.   

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Anyone else find it interesting that Alshon comes back to the active roster a few weeks ago, gets to play in one game, and immediately after that a report comes out about Carson at practice?  Yeah... I want that snake gone.   

wentz should have been called out earlier in the year and maybe this crap show wouldn't still be happening. the coaches needed to fix this after that week 1 performance that led to carson handing the WFT a win. carson needs his ego kicked down a few notches and if that means playing nate or jalen so be it. if the offense fails after that the whole base will know it all falls on doug.

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

top 10 draft pick who starts day 1 on Defense

32-40 draft pick who *should* start day 1 on Defense

Reagor/Ward/Fulgham all have more time to learn

 

Like I said, with a different coach this is an 8 win team and we walk with the division even with all these injuries. 

Couple of things here bud... We currently occupy #1 spot in the division so as things stand we won't be getting near the top 10 of the draft. But I guess you're presuming (and I don't disagree) that our season gets even worse from here on?

Also, do you keep Howie as GM? If so do you have faith in him to make the right picks in next years draft? Do you have faith that he'll find 2 starters on defense in the first round?

1 minute ago, vaeagle2 said:

wentz should have been called out earlier in the year and maybe this crap show wouldn't still be happening. the coaches needed to fix this after that week 1 performance that led to carson handing the WFT a win. carson needs his ego kicked down a few notches and if that means playing nate or jalen so be it. if the offense fails after that the whole base will know it all falls on doug.

You mean Carson hasn't been called out for his poor play?   I must have missed all the accolades going his way.

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

If all goes plan, I think NFC Championship game. Which says a lot since people think I hate the Eagles and I'm a troll

New coaches

2020 Lane is average and injuried, gets healthy all pro lane in 2021

Dillard > JP

top 10 draft pick who starts day 1 on Defense

32-40 draft pick who *should* start day 1 on Defense

Reagor/Ward/Fulgham all have more time to learn

 

Like I said, with a different coach this is an 8 win team and we walk with the division even with all these injuries. 

 

 

your correct with a 1st round defensive starter and IMO that is a top 5 pick either DE, CB or LB

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

Called out for what crap?

if you read it i said his performance and the offense was a crap show

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Yes, the Giants will win the division. I have us in the 7 or 8 spot

Yes, I have faith in Howie(especially with doug not being in his ear) to make the right decision at 8 and 40

How many wins do you think the Giants get? I mean yikes the Giants win this division. Though right now it's hard to disagree with that. 

You think Doug has a big say and Howie listens to him? I just think Howie is not a good talent evaluator in the draft and thus isn't going to make many good picks. I don't think Doug influences him too much but I guess who knows. 

15 minutes ago, John_C said:

That's fine, and maybe you are right... but leaving the GM and personnel group in place isn't going to do any good, at all.  Doug didn't make the draft picks going back to 2014.  

The primary issue on the team is talent level, especially young talent.  Yes, I am aware that they have had injuries the last few years.  That can't be the excuse every year.  Contributing to that is the age of the team.  The Eagles are what they are because of talent.  Coaching is a contributing but secondary factor, although much easier to change and therefore the easier scapegoat.

If you fire Doug, but leave Howie Roseman in place and bring in the next brilliant coach XYZ, and each year they still get guys like JJAW instead of DK Metcalf, Reagor over Jefferson, etc... spend high picks on injured guys like Sidney Jones that don't work out... take QBs in the 2nd round after just paying their own QB franchise money... take guys in round 1 that may not have the love of the game like Andre Dillard... go through the 2017 RB draft and emerge with Donnell Pumphrey... all while finding very few starters and no difference makers on day 3 in any given year... etc etc etc.  It doesn't matter who coaches the team, it is gonna be terrible.

It's past time to find a new leader for the football operation.  Get that person first, let them build a competent personnel department, and then let them work with the owner to find the right coach.

I see a lot of complaining here that looks like cherry picking.  What was your solution at LT with Peters aging?  Dillard was the correct pick.  What was your solution for #2 QB behind a starter who finished three seasons in a row injured?  Hurts was as good an option as Dalton, Flacco, or Newton — higher upside and more cost efficient.  You’re already filling out Howie’s termination papers putting down Reagor over Jefferson as just cause?  Get real 

Just now, Alphagrand said:

I see a lot of complaining here that looks like cherry picking.  What was your solution at LT with Peters aging?  Dillard was the correct pick.  What was your solution for #2 QB behind a starter who finished three seasons in a row injured?  Hurts was as good an option as Dalton, Flacco, or Newton — higher upside and more cost efficient.  You’re already filling out Howie’s termination papers putting down Reagor over Jefferson as just cause?  Get real 

I don't mean to get into "cherry picking" and I'm not going to re-litigate every pick.  I mentioned a few of the Eagles draft decisions and scenarios that have obviously not worked out.  I've been on here since the Hurts pick and have called it possible the worst 2nd day draft pick in history for a number of reasons.  Hedging against a franchise QB when you just signed one to a long term deal had never been done before, and I predict it will be a very long time before a similar pick is made again.  It is similar to when the Eagles cut DeSean jackson  in his prime, mid contract cycle after a huge pro bowl year.  Nothing comparable had ever happened before, and nothing like it has not happened since.  Hurts pick was the draft equivalent of that.  

When you go back and objectively look at the Eagles draft record, it becomes clear that they have done very, very poorly for a long time now.  This is the reason the team stinks, along with various other failures and missed opportunities to improve the team through trades or free agency.  We went from a super bowl team to a bottom of the league team with the worst cap situation in the league in a few short years.  

Coaching is always the most convenient excuse.  Maybe the coaching has to change, but I'm here to say that it is not the primary reason the Eagles are terrible.

Unfortunately for us, changing the coaches out and leaving the personnel group in place will not fix the Eagles in the near or long term.  It's not gonna be that simple.  The talent acquisition and team building side has to be fixed first.

10 minutes ago, John_C said:

I don't mean to get into "cherry picking" and I'm not going to re-litigate every pick.  I mentioned a few of the Eagles draft decisions and scenarios that have obviously not worked out.  I've been on here since the Hurts pick and have called it possible the worst 2nd day draft pick in history for a number of reasons.  Hedging against a franchise QB when you just signed one to a long term deal had never been done before, and I predict it will be a very long time before a similar pick is made again.  It is similar to when the Eagles cut DeSean jackson  in his prime, mid contract cycle after a huge pro bowl year.  Nothing comparable had ever happened before, and nothing like it has not happened since.  Hurts pick was the draft equivalent of that.  

When you go back and objectively look at the Eagles draft record, it becomes clear that they have done very, very poorly for a long time now.  This is the reason the team stinks, along with various other failures and missed opportunities to improve the team through trades or free agency.  We went from a super bowl team to a bottom of the league team with the worst cap situation in the league in a few short years.  

Coaching is always the most convenient excuse.  Maybe the coaching has to change, but I'm here to say that it is not the primary reason the Eagles are terrible.

Unfortunately for us, changing the coaches out and leaving the personnel group in place will not fix the Eagles in the near or long term.  It's not gonna be that simple.  The talent acquisition and team building side has to be fixed first.

The only way the Eagles ended up in the quagmire they are currently in was as a result of a litany of poor personnel decisions and poor player development.  They drafted the wrong players, signed the wrong players, extended the wrong players and failed to develop the players they brought in.

Lightest injury report in what feels like years

 

 

3 minutes ago, metal said:

Lightest injury report in what feels like years

 

And Andre Dillard and Brandon Brooks.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

The only way the Eagles ended up in the quagmire they are currently in was as a result of a litany of poor personnel decisions and poor player development.  They drafted the wrong players, signed the wrong players, extended the wrong players and failed to develop the players they brought in.

Agreed.

"Total failure across the board"

This is why the Eagles need to make a change at the top of the football/personnel operation and not just shuffle in some new coaches.  Teams that win draft well -- they draft more difference makers, especially early in the draft.  They identify and select more players that becomes starters or at least contributors in the middle and end of drafts.  That is what we need, more than anything, for sustained success.

I find it interesting that the majority of projected offseasos have most of our resources invested in the defense...DE, LB, CB.

Our defense is average, through and through.  Most of the NFL's elite teams and recent SB champs have defenses that fall in that average band.  

As we all know, the real contenders have elite offenses that transcend unstoppable and are truly inevitable with scoring.  And we have one of the worst offenses in the entire NFL.

Yet most offseason projections have us bringing the EXACT SAME offense into 2021 with 1-2 changes on the OL.

Just now, eagle45 said:

I find it interesting that the majority or projected offseason have most of our resources invested in the defense...DE, LB, CB.

Our defense is average, through and through.  Most of the NFL's elite teams and recent SB champs have defenses that fall in that average band.  

As we all know, the real contenders have elite offenses that transcend unstoppable and are truly inevitable with scoring.  And we have one of the worst offenses in the entire NFL.

Yet most offseason projections have us bringing the EXACT SAME offense into 2021 with 1-2 changes on the OL.

I would post my offseason projections, but if I say it out loud, it won't happen.

Injury report was much improved last week as well, and the team was rested coming off the bye week.

I think the Browns are going to win rather easily and decisively this Sunday.

1 hour ago, Bacarty2 said:

Is this a joke? Jumping offsides Defense. Fale starts.. I guess it could be Carson, he hasnt had a false start penalty this year, but I guess. Dropped balls. getting off the rock. None of those point to the QB

I didn't mean specifically the things Graham listed. Just that there seems to be something going on in practice that needs to get fixed. He walked the line so as to not call out anyone specifically. 

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The only way the Eagles ended up in the quagmire they are currently in was as a result of a litany of poor personnel decisions and poor player development.  They drafted the wrong players, signed the wrong players, extended the wrong players and failed to develop the players they brought in.

I tend to believe that coaching at this point is the bigger culprit.  If the main problem was the defense, I would agree wholeheartedly. If the WR position was still problematic, I would also be inclined to agree.  I don't think the primary  problem is talent.  I am not saying it hasn't been an issue.  I just think the bigger issue is coaching. 

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

He called him a Cowboy fan? 

8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Odd that sort of thing happening after win, no?

 

52 minutes ago, phil77 said:

 

 

Probably because he was asked about it from a reporter.  Its not like he searched out a platform and started talking about it.  He got asked a question from a report about practice habits and that was his answer. 

Could be. It just raises a red flag that something is off with the team in practice. Wentz reportedly being sloppy is another red flag. It could me nothing, it could mean something more. Like I said, its just a lot of smoke.