1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Based on an ageing team! That took its chance whilst we had our QB on his rookie deal. 

You're missing the point. Howie will not be in any trouble unless we start losing enough not to make the playoffs 

16 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Howie deserves his share of criticism for underwhelming drafts as well as giving out some bad contracts, but there is a lot worse at GM out there. Just look at Elway or BOB. Look at Les Snead, Jason Licht, Dave Caldwell, Dave Gettleman and Mike Tannenbaum. Or Ryan Pace who traded up one spot to take Trubisky instead of Mahomes or Watson. 

I think Howie can at least get one losing season before talks of firing him should be considered. Especially with this teams injury luck the last 4 years 

Some of thats also directly on a good portion of the guys we are getting hurt are older players we have to rely on because we haven’t drafted younger players to eventually take over for them. Granted not all were older with miles on them but I’d argue a majority of them were. Brooks, lane, peters, alshon, desean and malik aren’t young players and have years of wear and tear. Don’t get me wrong there was the darby, dillard and howard injuries but really we’ve had a lot of veterans players with miles on them get hurt and miss time. 

Someone should make a chart with all the players who’ve gotten hurt since 2017 and how many games and years in the league with age. I think that would be interesting.  

12 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Howie deserves his share of criticism for underwhelming drafts as well as giving out some bad contracts, but there is a lot worse at GM out there. Just look at Elway or BOB. Look at Les Snead, Jason Licht, Dave Caldwell, Dave Gettleman and Mike Tannenbaum. Or Ryan Pace who traded up one spot to take Trubisky instead of Mahomes or Watson. 

I think Howie can at least get one losing season before talks of firing him should be considered. Especially with this teams injury luck the last 4 years 

Is it luck or is it something else

Way to go eagles looking like getting some guys back this week

 

14 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Some of thats also directly on a good portion of the guys we are getting hurt are older players we have to rely on because we haven’t drafted younger players to eventually take over for them. Granted not all were older with miles on them but I’d argue a majority of them were. Brooks, lane, peters, alshon, desean and malik aren’t young players and have years of wear and tear. Don’t get me wrong there was the darby, dillard and howard injuries but really we’ve had a lot of veterans players with miles on them get hurt and miss time. 

Someone should make a chart with all the players who’ve gotten hurt since 2017 and how many games and years in the league with age. I think that would be interesting.  

I feel like its been a mix. Yes, there have been some older players like Jackson/Peters/Sproles etc. There was also Hicks, Wentz, Ajayi, Barnett, Darby, Mills, Ridgeway, Dillard, Jernigan who were starters and missed time with major injuries while being relatively young. Brooks/Johnson/McLeod I put in the middle, not young pups but not old dogs either. 

I think my main issue with the OL is how they prepared in training camp. Obviously, they were going to be short-handed without Brandon Brooks. And Andre Dillard's injury certainly hurt the depth of the OL at the least. But OLs need chemistry. They need work together. They need to be on the same page physically, but also mentally. This offensive line has had almost no practice together all training camp. JP played RG all camp, and even spent at least half of those practices not actually participating in team drills. I love Jason Kelce, but he had a good amount of veteran days off as well. I'm not saying 30+ players shouldn't be limited and monitored, but in an offseason where you only have so much time to get ready for the season, the offensive line was not handled well at all. It has been disorganized and uncoordinated. A very good coach like Ron Rivera was obviously going to draw up different stunts and pressures to give us fits. The OL has a long way to go. They're way behind. I'm not sure how many more veteran days off Peters and Kelce can afford.

13 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Is it luck or is it something else

It’s definitely not just bad luck; this will be the 4th consecutive season of numerous starters out simultaneously with injury.  To me there must be some kind of deficiency in the offseason program, strength and conditioning group or something.

16 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Is it luck or is it something else

Curse

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

I feel like its been a mix. Yes, there have been some older players like Jackson/Peters/Sproles etc. There was also Hicks, Wentz, Ajayi, Barnett, Darby, Mills, Ridgeway, Dillard who were starters and missed time with major injuries while being relatively young. Brooks/Johnson/McLeod I put in the middle, not young pups but not old dogs either. 

I put lane and brooks in the veteran category they got a lot of wear and tear in them. Ditto for mcleod. They didn’t start getting these injuries to them until year 7. I usually go middle and older in the same cause 7 seasons in the nfl is like an eternity at some point your body is going to break down  

hicks was always injury prone since college so that wasn’t all that unexpected. And ajayi’s knees were a ticking time bomb from the time he was drafted. Darby, wentz, Mills and dillard definitely are the young ones who missed time. Barnett is beginning to be look like he’s injury prone. I believe he’s missed games every year since his rookie season. Guy can’t stay healthy. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Curse

I do

Everytime there's another injury

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

It’s definitely not just bad luck; this will be the 4th consecutive season of numerous starters out simultaneously with injury.  To me there must be some kind of deficiency in the offseason program, strength and conditioning group or something.

It's at the point where they switched the medical staff, switched up some of the strength and conditioning staff. The only thing constant is the practice facility and field. 

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It's at the point where they switched the medical staff, switched up some of the strength and conditioning staff. The only thing constant is the practice facility and field. 

Or hear me out we sold our soul for a super bowl. 

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I put lane and brooks in the veteran category they got a lot of wear and tear in them. Ditto for mcleod. They didn’t start getting these injuries to them until year 7. I usually go middle and older in the same cause 7 seasons in the nfl is like an eternity at some point your body is going to break down  

hicks was always injury prone since college so that wasn’t all that unexpected. And ajayi’s knees were a ticking time bomb from the time he was drafted. Darby, wentz, Mills and dillard definitely are the young ones who missed time. Barnett is beginning to be look like he’s injury prone. I believe he’s missed games every year since his rookie season. Guy can’t stay healthy. 

Yea, I get your point about Lane and Brooks but at the same time can you really criticize a GM for going with either of them? a 35+ Peters sure, but I imagine almost every GM in the league would comfortably select and play with Lane and Brooks around their 29-30 years

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yea, I get your point about Lane and Brooks but at the same time can you really criticize a GM for going with either of them? a 35+ Peters sure, but I imagine almost every GM in the league would comfortably select and play with Lane and Brooks around their 29-30 years

Oh i don’t disagree with going with lane and brooks and paying them. However i do think they need to begin searching for their eventual replacements Or better backups in terms of quality. Really Driscoll and potentially mailata depending on his development are the only quality ones I’ve seen. Like no offense herbig isn’t good enough. And pryor seems to be on the team by default. They aren’t young anymore. They are going to have their bodies keep breaking down gotta be ahead of the curve 

46 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I’m gonna need to huff some spray paint to explain Houston’s general managing strategy. 

Well. They do trade good, in their prime players.  Why? No one knows....we should follow that lead!

30 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

I think my main issue with the OL is how they prepared in training camp. Obviously, they were going to be short-handed without Brandon Brooks. And Andre Dillard's injury certainly hurt the depth of the OL at the least. But OLs need chemistry. They need work together. They need to be on the same page physically, but also mentally. This offensive line has had almost no practice together all training camp. JP played RG all camp, and even spent at least half of those practices not actually participating in team drills. I love Jason Kelce, but he had a good amount of veteran days off as well. I'm not saying 30+ players shouldn't be limited and monitored, but in an offseason where you only have so much time to get ready for the season, the offensive line was not handled well at all. It has been disorganized and uncoordinated. A very good coach like Ron Rivera was obviously going to draw up different stunts and pressures to give us fits. The OL has a long way to go. They're way behind. I'm not sure how many more veteran days off Peters and Kelce can afford.

This Oline can easily be our dowfall.  The "together" concept is so true, but I think 2 things really, really hurt.  Jagging around with Pryor for two weeks at LT  was just a joke...all while Peters was grandstanding for a contract adjustment (Nice call, Captain).

36 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It's at the point where they switched the medical staff, switched up some of the strength and conditioning staff. The only thing constant is the practice facility and field. 

From what I've read the strength and conditioning staff has been the same for quite some time.  Only the medical staff has been replaced.  You wonder if the way they are training has anything to do with it.  Are they going about it the wrong way?

I know folks are going scorched earth on Howie Roseman again over the Hurts pick. Think this link deserves a re-post.

https://theeagleswire.usatoday.com/2020/06/30/philadelphia-eagles-nfl-draft-jalen-hurts-linked-j-k-dobbins-jeremy-chinn-albert-breer/

Edit: Original article below

https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/04/27/monday-afternoon-quarterback-jacob-eason-jalen-hurts-draft?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=themmqb

8 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

 Nah.  I’ll stick with a soft team that isn’t prepared mentally and physically by the coaching staff.  And medical staffs that aren’t threatened.   No such thing as luck or curses.  

Shakes>Ice Cream

True statement there. But then again howie loves both vanilla and chocolate and Doug is more just vanilla. Hence the internal struggle 

6 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

From what I've read the strength and conditioning staff has been the same for quite some time.  Only the medical staff has been replaced.  You wonder if the way they are training has anything to do with it.  Are they going about it the wrong way?

They just brought in Ted Rath to oversee all the strength and conditioning and I believe they made another higher up hire around the same time this last offseason 

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

The idea stems from the success of certain HOF coaches and GMs who moved on from certain talented players while they still possessed market value.  As Bill Walsh famously told Dwight Clark — "I only want you for your good years”

That strategy only works when there is sufficient younger talent to step in .... and the Eagles haven’t had the best track record at developing young talent the past 5-10 years.

Eagles bottomed out one year and drafted Lane.  A few middle of the road years. Name a team other than the Patriots that has done better getting to the playoffs?

8 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Eagles bottomed out one year and drafted Lane.  A few middle of the road years. Name a team other than the Patriots that has done better getting to the playoffs?

Seattle. From 2012 onward only missed the playoffs once. 

chiefs from 2012 only missed the playoffs twice.

Eagles have missed it 4 times. 

Anyone have the coaches film available on Game Pass.   Don’t remember it being unavailable Wednesday night. 

Random post. There’s a video named "Carson Wentz Smiles after Fisting Philadelphia Eagles Coach Doug Pederson”. 

11 hours ago, greend said:

if he uses his fingers. This place . Some of these clowns would rather lose just to get draft picks. So glad these guys don't run the organization. Well fans another 0-16 season but we got yet another first round pick  and the crowd goes wild!!!!

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