1 hour ago, 315Eagles said:

Is it though?

Let's see. On offense we're playing Driscoll, Herbig, Mailata, Opeta, Fulgham, Rodgers, Ward, Reagor, Hightower, and Hurts.

On defense we're playing Sweat, Singleton, Taylor, Edwards, Bradley, LeBlanc, Parks, and Wallace.

We've brought guys up from the PS, like Croom, and played them.

Some more, some less. Some of necessity, some not. Whether they're good or not is not the criticism you offer; rather it is that they're not playing, which they are.

That's what's silly.

1 hour ago, Br3 said:

This is why I always just shake my head when I come in here and see you guys talking about wanting Jamar Chase and Davonta Smith and Waddle as if Howie would actually draft them.
 

Howie is taking Joe ChoirBoy from Saint Catholic Mountain Baptist Christian State College. He runs a 4.79 with terrible hands but he always celebrate with his teammates after touchdowns. He graded out higher than Waddle on Howies board

Can he run block...🤨

29 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t know if you could have a set number going into a game of how many pass attempts you want Carson to have. I think you have to watch the game going on and see how he looks in the game. Like against the Giants he didn’t look particularly great so why am I going away from what is working on offense which was Miles Sanders and Boston Scott who were running very well up till the end of the game. I make the giants have to stop me running the ball until they do I don’t go away from that. And when they finally do in their committed to that maybe I get some easier throws for Carson Wentz down the field

also can I say how Fing Frustrating it is when the running game is working and we are moving the ball then go to a gadget play with Jalen hurts when everyone in the world knows they’re going to run the ball. This reminds me in 2016 when we play the Cowboys and we were moving the ball down the field with ease and Doug decided to get cute with the trick play and it blew up in their face and ended a drive where could’ve won the game. That’s what we would do in 2016

 

I've always thought the happy number for Wentz was 32 attempts or less.  In 2020 he is 2-0 when under, and 1-5-1 when over.  I'll have to check back on his other seasons to be sure.

 

2016 -- 4-8 when throwing 32 passes or more, 3-1 when throwing less

2017 -- 3-2 versus 8-0 when throwing less than 32 passes

2018 -- 3-6 versus 2-0 when throwing less than 32 passes

2019 -- 6-6 versus 3-1 when throwing less than 32 passes

 

Career to date that puts Wentz as 18-2 when throwing less than 32 passes, and 17-27-1 when throwing 32 passes or more.

1 hour ago, Br3 said:

This is why I always just shake my head when I come in here and see you guys talking about wanting Jamar Chase and Davonta Smith and Waddle as if Howie would actually draft them.
 

Howie is taking Joe ChoirBoy from Saint Catholic Mountain Baptist Christian State College. He runs a 4.79 with terrible hands but he always celebrate with his teammates after touchdowns. He graded out higher than Waddle on Howies board

I actually don't think the Eagles are too obsessed with try-hard choir-boys.  That was an AR thing (while he was here, and then boy did he do a 180).

Howie is just generally clueless and is like a cat chasing a laser with draft philosophy.  One year, it's all about big college stats with questionable athleticism projections, another year it's all about speed/athleticism in raw players to compensate for years of disregarding athleticism, one year they reach for a good talent with injury problems in round 2, another year they take a rare talent with injury problems off their board in round 2.

Watching Howie draft over the years is like watching a tennis match.  It's one thing to have diverse strategies and look for more than one type of player, it's another to be all over the place with no vision.  The results make it very clear which scenario we have.

3 hours ago, greend said:

They can wear a face shield......................right?

Not sure, It could be a case of where the NFL's guidelines are ok with a shield, but PA's is not. Like PA could demand a MASK? 

We will find out. 

6 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I've always thought the happy number for Wentz was 32 attempts or less.  In 2020 he is 2-0 when under, and 1-5-1 when over.  I'll have to check back on his other seasons to be sure.

Don’t get me wrong it would be a happy number for me as well. Curious to see what for his career is I’m guessing likely similar. However i know if you are facing atlanta they are good against the run and god awful against the pass. So i could understand more throws so can’t just always have that set. 

Wow sheil kapadia on the birds with podcast went off on the eagles offseason and the eagles. Basically how all of us tend to feel and say 

11 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Not sure, It could be a case of where the NFL's guidelines are ok with a shield, but PA's is not. Like PA could demand a MASK? 

We will find out. 

 

9 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I actually don't think the Eagles are too obsessed with try-hard choir-boys.  That was an AR thing (while he was here, and then boy did he do a 180).

Howie is just generally clueless and is like a cat chasing a laser with draft philosophy.  One year, it's all about big college stats with questionable athleticism projections, another year it's all about speed/athleticism in raw players to compensate for years of disregarding athleticism, one year they reach for a good talent with injury problems in round 2, another year they take a rare talent with injury problems off their board in round 2.

Watching Howie draft over the years is like watching a tennis match.  It's one thing to have diverse strategies and look for more than one type of player, it's another to be all over the place with no vision.  The results make it very clear which scenario we have.

I think you hit on the essence of the problem.  Howie prides himself on not being wedded to any particular philosophy about football success and relies on coaches and scouts.  What that means is that he constantly adjusts draft philosophy in response to the voices in the room.  Part of that is correcting for past mistakes which is actually a good quality but there is no underlying philosophy like you see in Seattle, Baltimore or the Chiefs. Without that leadership at the top in terms of valuing players, I think you likely have scouts that value players using different metrics. So while one may discount a player because of a lack of production another may not and rely to much on athletic measurables.   

To be a run first team, you need three things, a workhorse RB(s), a good run blocking OL (including linemen who can get to the second level and spring backs for big gains), and a top ten defense that can get the ball back and prevent quick strike scores.

Run/pass ratio stats are usually meaningless, since if you have a lead and good defense, you'll run more, not because you're a running team but because you're ahead and running out the clock.

In most games, success in running will cause the opposing DC to adjust, move a safety up, play more zone, etc. So you still have to pass to adjust when he takes the run away.

 

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

To be a run first team, you need three things, a workhorse RB(s), a good run blocking OL (including linemen who can get to the second level and spring backs for big gains), and a top ten defense that can get the ball back and prevent quick strike scores.

Run/pass ratio stats are usually meaningless, since if you have a lead and good defense, you'll run more, not because you're a running team but because you're ahead and running out the clock.

In most games, success in running will cause the opposing DC to adjust, move a safety up, play more zone, etc. So you still have to pass to adjust when he takes the run away.

 

I think we're all in agreement there.

When your starting RB is averaging 6 yards a pop on the season, he should get more touches. Period. 

Doug wants to talk about success on first down and then not run the ball when Sanders is gaining 6 yards a clip. He's a moron.

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

To be a run first team, you need three things, a workhorse RB(s), a good run blocking OL (including linemen who can get to the second level and spring backs for big gains), and a top ten defense that can get the ball back and prevent quick strike scores.

Run/pass ratio stats are usually meaningless, since if you have a lead and good defense, you'll run more, not because you're a running team but because you're ahead and running out the clock.

In most games, success in running will cause the opposing DC to adjust, move a safety up, play more zone, etc. So you still have to pass to adjust when he takes the run away.

 

Again disagree you have to have a workhorse running back to be a run first team or have a good run game. The browns have two backs they use. They get bulk of the carries but neither is considered workhorse how they both average 13-17 rushes per game. They have a great 1-2 punch not strictly one as the workhorse. That’s not completely true you have to have a workhorse. If you run the ball well with 3 it’s as good as just one with a workhorse. The colts have a trio of Wilkins, Taylor and Hines. They are solid. Browns have two. The eagles won with a trio of clement, Blount and ajayi. You can commit to the run and be a good run team having a workhorse or a committee. Rams are another team that counters this with brown, Henderson and now Akers  

i think also your reasons for a run team aren’t necessarily true. You can be a run first team but not a very good team. It is by what players you have and what you do most effectively. You can have a bottom 10 defense like the Minnesota vikings have but still be a run first team. You might have to get out of your comfort zone once your defense puts you far behind. Minnesota is bottom 10 points per game, middle of the pack against the run and bottom 8 against the pass. They are nowhere close to a top 10 defense yet are definitely considered a run first team with cook and Mattison. 

yes to your last point you would but when you adjust then you should have more success in the pass game as they adjusted to stop the run. 

29 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Not sure, It could be a case of where the NFL's guidelines are ok with a shield, but PA's is not. Like PA could demand a MASK? 

We will find out. 

PA wants you to wear a mask in your own home. I'd put nothing pas them at this point.

Right now i'm glad i moved after HS.

9 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I think we're all in agreement there.

When your starting RB is averaging 6 yards a pop on the season, he should get more touches. Period. 

Doug wants to talk about success on first down and then not run the ball when Sanders is gaining 6 yards a clip. He's a moron.

I really don't have a problem with him getting only 15 carries after being out for 4? weeks.

If Doug doesn't get him back up to 20+ carries this week i'll be really pissed.

2 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

I really don't have a problem with him getting only 15 carries after being out for 4? weeks.

If Doug doesn't get him back up to 20+ carries this week i'll be really pissed.

Why not give Scott some more touches if you didn’t want sanders over 15. He broke off a big run and even since the first giants game he’s gotten better each week. He was at 4.7 against Dallas up from 3.8 the week before. And this week he had a long run. So he could stand to get more than 3 rushes. Add on Hes killed the giants in his career so far. 

37 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

That’s better at least. Still worried about players catching their breath with masks on while on the sideline though (unless in the game means suited up to play, not just while on the field)

16 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Why not give Scott some more touches if you didn’t want sanders over 15. He broke off a big run and even since the first giants game he’s gotten better each week. He was at 4.7 against Dallas up from 3.8 the week before. And this week he had a long run. So he could stand to get more than 3 rushes. Add on Hes killed the giants in his career so far. 

Since Sanders got only 15 carries you would have expected Scott to get more. That didn't happen.

It's easy for a D to defend when an O is one dimentional 

2 hours ago, downundermike said:

Teams adjust once they see tendencies.  We need to see how he is playing 8, 10, 16 games in.

He had one not great game and then Peters comes back healthy and is the starter

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

lol

I'm surprised Winston isn't starting

1 hour ago, justrelax said:

Let's see. On offense we're playing Driscoll, Herbig, Mailata, Opeta, Fulgham, Rodgers, Ward, Reagor, Hightower, and Hurts.

On defense we're playing Sweat, Singleton, Taylor, Edwards, Bradley, LeBlanc, Parks, and Wallace.

We've brought guys up from the PS, like Croom, and played them.

Some more, some less. Some of necessity, some not. Whether they're good or not is not the criticism you offer; rather it is that they're not playing, which they are.

That's what's silly.

What's your opinion on Peters starting at LT?

49 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Again disagree you have to have a workhorse running back to be a run first team or have a good run game. The browns have two backs they use. They get bulk of the carries but neither is considered workhorse how they both average 13-17 rushes per game. They have a great 1-2 punch not strictly one as the workhorse. That’s a fallacy you have to have a workhorse. If you run the ball well with 3 it’s as good as just one with a workhorse. The colts have a trio of Wilkins, Taylor and Hines. They are solid. Browns have two. The eagles won with a trio of clement, Blount and ajayi. You can commit to the run and be a good run team having a workhorse or a committee. Rams are another team that counters this with brown, Henderson and now Akers  

i think also your reasons for a run team aren’t necessarily true. You can be a run first team but not a very good team. It is by what players you have and what you do most effectively. You can have a bottom 10 defense like the Minnesota vikings have but still be a run first team. You might have to get out of your comfort zone once your defense puts you far behind. Minnesota is bottom 10 points per game, middle of the pack against the run and bottom 8 against the pass. They are nowhere close to a top 10 defense yet are definitely considered a run first team with cook and Mattison. 

yes to your last point you would but when you adjust then you should have more success in the pass game as they adjusted to stop the run. 

I mean Chubb and Hunt are exponentially better than Sanders/Scott. Scott is not a "2nd back". He's a 3rd back in this league and should be used as such. Clement just doesn't have it. And Sanders has proven to be fragile. 

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I mean Chubb and Hunt are exponentially better than Sanders/Scott. Scott is not a "2nd back". He's a 3rd back in this league and should be used as such. Clement just doesn't have it. And Sanders has proven to be fragile. 

Don’t disagree on that. But you still don’t need just one workhorse to make it work.  However there was people during the offseason saying get a better backup to sanders due to some questions about fragility and Scott shouldn’t be the main backup. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Don’t disagree on that. But you still don’t need just one workhorse to make it work.  However there was people during the offseason saying get a better backup to sanders due to some questions about fragility and Scott shouldn’t be the main backup. 

The most frustrating part of the Hurts pick is we could have had either Dobbins or Chinn, both of who I think would have contributed to additional wins this season alone, nevermind for the future. 

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

The most frustrating part of the Hurts pick is we could have had either Dobbins or Chinn, both of who I think would have contributed to additional wins this season alone, nevermind for the future. 

Quarterback factory!

Kempski with a disturbing realization. Of the 12 wins the eagles have had over the last two years these were the QBs for our opponents

Rodgers

dak

josh Allen 

trubisky 

keenum 

eli Manning

Daniel jones 

Haskins

mullens

falk

dinucci

 

8 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

The most frustrating part of the Hurts pick is we could have had either Dobbins or Chinn, both of who I think would have contributed to additional wins this season alone, nevermind for the future. 

Yup. I love sanders but i said last year and into the offseason you should get a more competent backup cause i think he’s always going to have nagging injury concerns. So having a good 1-2 will only help wentz and the eagles. Heck they could’ve moved up from 53 if they wanted gotten someone like jaylon Johnson who would’ve helped if they weren’t dead set on hurts. 

33 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

He had one not great game and then Peters comes back healthy and is the starter

 

What's your opinion on Peters starting at LT?

He's a shadow of what he once was. I think Mailata was developing bad habits and Stoutland is sitting him for that reason. He had stopped moving his feet.. Not as bad as Pryor, who never moves his feet but his technique was breaking down. JP still has the technique and Mailata has to study it. He's still a work in progress. Functionally, he's a red-shirt sophomore who never played in high school. I think Stoutland is taking the long view with him.