4 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

We've been a top-ten team in Wins since 2016, when Doug arrived.  Yet, we can't seem to acquire talent.

So, if Howie is really that bad at what he does, then Doug is really, really good at what he does. 

 

Another view.  We haven't had a true HOFer since Dawkins.  He was drafted in the previous century.  You can maybe point to Kelce, Cox, Lane, and Ertz as top-five at their respective positions.  But none of them scream Wheatie box greatness.  Other than Wentz, what recent player captured the fan base's imagination?  Howie hits a lot of doubles.  Guys like Seumalo and Goedert.  So until he picks a few more probowlers, despite the record, he will be criticized.

Peters is destined for the HOF. But your overall point is valid

6 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Peters is destined for the HOF. But your overall point is valid

Acquired via trade though, for whatever that's worth.

While we are on the topic of HOF...random observation:

If you assume that Eli Manning and Cox/Ertz/Lane do not go to the HOF (despite what we may think in Philly, I'd say all 3 of those guys are under 50% at this point)...the 2017 Eagles and 2011 Giants are the only SB winners going back over 30 years to not have a HOFer on the active roster for the game.

The 2017 Eagles caught lightning in a bottle somehow.

Just now, schuy7 said:

The 2017 Eagles caught lightning in a bottle somehow.

I truly believe that team was that good.  It pretty much coincided with every single damn player on the team having the best or 2nd best year of their entire career.  But in that season, they were THAT good.  

56 minutes ago, TrotterIsGod said:

So Fangio was the architect of the Sam Mills/ Rickey Jackson Saints .  What I remember about Defenses like that is guys like DeSean Jackson / John Taylor / Jerry Rice ( Catch the ball and FLY ) absolutely killed schemes like that.  Lots of drag routes against LB's and slow footed safeties.

Getting Miles back should help a lot. Making them miss and make tackles tires them out.  No disrespect to Boston or Corey ( Boston sometimes has this in droves) but neither made the WFT 2nd level work too hard on Sunday. 

If Wentz can get the timing patterns down and start hitting people in stride, the effect is cumulative. You spend 6 seconds chasing DeSean all over to get him down. Next play, those legs getting upfield are not as fresh. Great way to slow down any pursuit defense. 

Eagles played Fangio defense in the playoffs against the bears and won 16-15.

29 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

While we are on the topic of HOF...random observation:

If you assume that Eli Manning and Cox/Ertz/Lane do not go to the HOF (despite what we may think in Philly, I'd say all 3 of those guys are under 50% at this point)...the 2017 Eagles and 2011 Giants are the only SB winners going back over 30 years to not have a HOFer on the active roster for the game.

Funner fact, Will Beaty won rings in both those SB’s and didn’t play a snap in either 

30 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

While we are on the topic of HOF...random observation:

If you assume that Eli Manning and Cox/Ertz/Lane do not go to the HOF (despite what we may think in Philly, I'd say all 3 of those guys are under 50% at this point)...the 2017 Eagles and 2011 Giants are the only SB winners going back over 30 years to not have a HOFer on the active roster for the game.

One of my favorite fun Super Bowl facts, not related to HOF, is that there has been a player from the Big 33 in every Super Bowl.

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Alright, I got at least 25% of my negative energy out since last Sunday.  
 

In this positive spurt, I just want to say that I am actually happy Doug is the coach and Wentz is the qb.  I look forward to seeing what the two of them can do together moving forward with Reagor/Goedert/Sanders at their disposal...and especially hope that they can turn Hightower into a weapon.

I really think getting something out of Hightower/Watkins will the be the tipping point between having a very cover-able complement of weapons and just having too much speed to handle.

High tower looked more scared than pinkston on Sunday, his first catch for negative yards he caught the ball behind LOS saw a defender coming and pulled an Issac Bruce and just crumbled into a pile of goo to avoid taking a hit☹️ next non catch heard foot steps on a crosser dropped the ball, next target ran a sloppy route then didn't come back to the ball led to Int.

After hearing about the glowing reports out of camp of him it's disappointing that he shrunk when the live bullets started flying☹️

Hopefully he can be better next week, be interesting to see if watkins can show more when he gets to play he also had a reputation in college like hightower of being soft. One of them needs to not be soft preferably both.

Man, the cowpads have been whiny crybabies all week.  You push off so that it affects the path of the DB and clearly gives you separation, despite what all the Michael Irvins of the sports announcers say, it is OPI.  Maybe next time, don’t fully extend the arm to get away with it.

2 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Man, the cowpads have been whiny crybabies all week.  You push off so that it affects the path of the DB and clearly gives you separation, despite what all the Michael Irvins of the sports announcers say, it is OPI.  Maybe next time, don’t fully extend the arm to get away with it.

A Dallas WR has never committed OPI in the history of the National Football League.   What is wrong with you?  

Also, as far as the 2017 Eagles SB team...

They are the only SB winner to also amass 13 wins and "win" the regular season since the 2013 Seahawks.

That wasn't just some team that went on a run in January.  That team was essentially 21 points away from being 18-0.  Think about that.

20 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

A Dallas WR has never committed OPI in the history of the National Football League.   What is wrong with you?  

Add onto the fact the interception they got from Goff the defender completely hit Goff in the helmet and should’ve been a 15 yard penalty and not a flag. 

realistically Dallas and their fans should be more angry at Mike McCarthy for being an idiot and not kicking the field goal when was 20-17 as the Rams weren’t doing anything on offense particularly in the second half outside of one drive.  I’d have been more for going for it if the Rams offense was consistently moving the ball and scoring points but they really weren’t.

14 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Add onto the fact the interception they got from Goff the defender completely hit Goff in the helmet and should’ve been a 15 yard penalty and not a flag. 

realistically Dallas and their fans should be more angry at Mike McCarthy for being an idiot and not kicking the field goal when was 20-17 as the Rams weren’t doing anything on offense particularly in the second half outside of one drive.  I’d have been more for going for it if the Rams offense was consistently moving the ball and scoring points but they really weren’t.

Yea that’s the one thing with analytics I don’t particularly get. The next day everyone kept saying that the odds didn’t flip whether you kick a FG or go for it on 4th down. It seems like an easy answer to just kick it and tie. 

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

While we are on the topic of HOF...random observation:

If you assume that Eli Manning and Cox/Ertz/Lane do not go to the HOF (despite what we may think in Philly, I'd say all 3 of those guys are under 50% at this point)...the 2017 Eagles and 2011 Giants are the only SB winners going back over 30 years to not have a HOFer on the active roster for the game.

None of these three will make it IMO. Definitely not Cox, I don't think Ertz will get in either.  Might be able to make a case for lane when it's all said and done but I doubt it

3 hours ago, BigEFly said:

I imagine Pittsburgh is close to the Eagles too.   Pretty bad records in their divisions but still, the sky is falling reaction is a bit much.

I bet Dillard develops into a quality LT. Seumalo has developed into a good LG.  Kelce, an all pro.  Lane may be the best RT in the league or close to it.  I really think Driscoll will be a solid player and maybe our sixth man.  Mailata seems to me developing.  All were draft choices.  I still like Wanogho’s potential   Both Herbig and Juriga may be solid UDFA finds.  Not a fan of Pryor, but I will defer to JR on him. Stout can spot talent.

I think Miles has the potential to be a great running back. Corey has already paid off as a UDFA. Potential kudos to the draft/pro scouts on Scott and Huntley for no cost.

Foles paid great dividends for where he was drafted.  Carson is a top ten to twelve QB.  Jury is out on Hurts. Could have got a better use with the Thomson fifth.  Day 3 QBs are a roll of the dice  

Ertz and Goedert?  Pretty good TEs and well drafted.

Ward was a solid UDFA.  I like potential in Reagor.  JJAW? 50% of WRs bust.  Agholor was a poor player.  Hollins got hurt and wasn’t that great to begin with. Gibson was drafted at lotto pick level.  If either Hightower or Watkins develops, that is a hit. Hard position to draft.  What is it Afan says about bodies?  

Now, let’s talk D.  It is said by the beats that Howie gives Schwartz a say in D draft choices and trades.  Don’t.   Frajole, maybe. He seems to get more out of less than any coach on the team. Manuel, maybe at some point.  Trust the scouts.

DL - not a lot of draft capital other than the two first round picks. Barnett is about what you would expect from a mid round DE but reeks of a college results pick like Marcus Smith.  Whiff on Smith. Yes, Miller looks like a whiff but he was a third day pick.  Sweat, on the other hand looks solid.  Avery still strikes me as a 3/4 LB type.  Eagles seem to get decent rotation from street free agents and UDFAs at DT.  Toohill.  Need some capital used well at this position over the next couple years.

While LB is not a focus position for the Eagles, note they seem to get value for little cost.  Riley and a higher draft choice for a street FA was a steal.   Gerry in the fifth.  Still not sold on Bradley but Frajole does wonders.  Taylor is so third round   Swing for the fences   Kind of worked with Hicks.  TJ as an UDFA, nice focus.  Singleton picks the Eagles as Defensive Player of the Year in the CFL and is a force on STs. 

Big whiff on Jones but I thought he would be a steal so the Eagles weren’t the only ones fooled.  Maddox, great value in the fourth.  Mills at S.  Four years late.  Douglas never made sense.  I have real hope that Wallace is the turnaround that Maddox started  

So I just don’t see the failure to acquire talent  

 

 

I’d assume the ravens are likely close to the eagles as well. 

i don’t know what to make of dillard. Was really hoping this year would give us some outlook. I hate the smoke around him. If it were one reporter I’d be like he’s full of it. But it’s like 6-7 different reporters all with stories they were told. I think he’s a giant question mark heading into 2021. Kelce and Lane are great draft picks. However they were picks from before this new regime took over. Howie was apart of them but not running the show entirely. And they are now older. As for Driscoll i do like his upside. I think he’s better suited for guard in the nfl if I’m being honest. Seumalo is better than what people give him credit for. I think he’s an above average guard. I don’t see it with herbig. I’d love to be wrong but i don’t see him as a nfl caliber player. I do like prince and mailata’s upside but upside doesn’t always mean reached. I’m curious to see opeta and juriga next year in camp. 
 

i love sanders talent. However i do question if he’s always going to have some nagging soft tissue injuries. Last year he left 3-4 games early due to it and he’s dealing with it already. Talent is undeniable but he also is building a stigma of having soft tissue concerns. Clement was great in 2017. He has not done anything since. And I’m hoping he looks better this week and upcoming weeks but he didn’t look good last week. As for Scott i think it’s too early. He had a nice stretch last year but ive seen guys have a handful of good games and then slowly deteriorate. Huntley jury is out cause he’s only been here for 2 weeks. I’d also include pumphrey who never got onto the field in a regular season game. Smallwood for a fifth was fine  

tight ends are great. It was a good pick with goedert. Ertz goes back to the chip regime. It was a good pick but I’m guessing chip had a large influence on that pick seeing him at Stanford while at Oregon. Not saying howie didn’t but i think it was more collaborative when they actually were talking to one another. 

ward was a nice UDFA find. I like reagor’s upside as well as Hightower and Watkins. But those are not definitive hits. They are question marks at the moment. And time will tel. JJAW being a bust, i don’t care if it’s 50 percent. There were better players available that fit more of what the eagles needed at that time which was speed especially when they restructured alshon‘s contract. That’s a big time miss in the second round. I thought hollins was a reach. I thought he was a ST player and a 4th WR at best when drafting. Again 4th round pick so i can’t be hugely upset. Gibson like you said lotto pick. Frankly the eagles haven’t been great at developing them 

I would disagree that Barnett is what you expect from a mid first round pick. He looked like he was going to be his rookie season. Frankly that to me was his best season. Every season since he’s either been hurt or when he’s on the field hasn’t produced the pass rush that you drafted him to be. I’m a Barnett fan cause I like that picK.  But I’ve been underwhelmed by the fact he can’t stay healthy and his pass rush has not gotten that much better over the last three years. Beau allen was a heck of a pick though even if he’s not here anymore. I like Josh sweat. However I do have concerns the more you play him he might start breaking down. I think of him as more as a really good rotational guy. If he becomes a starter is able to hold up hats off to howie because it was a great pick then. But I have questions that if you keep playing on him at the snap rate he’s going he might not hold up. Miller I also thought was a reach. I didn’t see it but again end of the fourth round I can’t be super upset but I thought that was reach  Avery is a question mark. Seems like a solid rotational guy. 

Linebackers are interesting. I think they did a good job with Gerry concerting him from safety to lb. he’s not great but he is an average starting linebacker which is good value in the fifth. i like Edwards but still need more time to see. The Riley deal was a solid deal. I can’t say it was great or a steal because he can play sometimes at linebacker but really he’s a special teams guy. He’s never been a high caliber defender.  I guess it was really good value for what you got for him. Taylor again is a question mark. We don’t know what he’s going to be in two years. He could be a good one or he could be a really poor draft choice. Singletary is a JAG imo

I think the jury still out on maddox on the outside. I think he’s solid for a fourth round pick. But I still don’t trust him on the outside. I think it’s a slot corner. Just like I think Leblanc is slot corner. At some point in time this year I think it’s going to wind up burning them that he is on the outside. I really think teams will start to exploit that. He’s best suited inside. I like the transition of mills to safety but it’s still a question mark. I need to see what he does this year and how he gets better or worse week after week when teams start to expose some of his weaknesses. Now as a seventh round pick to be in the league for five years that was a really good value pack. Even if people don’t like him or moan about his corner play he’s stuck as a 7th rounder for half a decade. Jones and Douglas were massive misses for this team. I liked jones too but it became clear it wasn’t going to happen here. Like you said I think Douglas wasn’t a fit and I think in a better system he would at least be solid

I also never said it was a failure to acquire talent. I think it’s not enough acquired talent for the picks you had a missed on. 2017 draft you have 2 guys on this roster from the draft. One of them is a late round picks and one is Barnett who might not even be here next year if he doesn’t play well this year. And then I look at the 2019 draft, only one guy played on Sunday which was JJAW who was invisible. sanders was out. We can say whatever we want but currently the 2019 draft class only has Sanders that has proven anything. The 2017 Class looks really ugly if Barnett doesn’t pan out this year. If we want to include previous drafts, the 2014 and 2015 we don’t have anyone on the rosters from those drafts. To me it’s not that he didn’t acquire some talent, they haven’t acquired enough talent that’s proven 

 

10 hours ago, ManuManu said:

I would love to see examples of LBs not biting on play action. Even two false steps is a huge win. You don’t need them to take five. 

2 is ok 4 is better, some QB’s are better at it and is a major part of their game. They are probably also excellent at the pump fake and looking off defenders, the art of deception nuance if you will. I think something Carson needs to improve on. I think he also has to take off more often to help get in their head and keep them on their toes. SLICK HUCKSTER with slight of hand attributes will open things up, acting lessons ?

11 minutes ago, devpool said:

None of these three will make it IMO. Definitely not Cox, I don't think Ertz will get in either.  Might be able to make a case for lane when it's all said and done but I doubt it

Agreed. I see Kelce brought up a lot too but I’ve always been against the thought he makes it. All 4 end up hall of very good, but feel like guys that are just outside the cusp looking in.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

While we are on the topic of HOF...random observation:

If you assume that Eli Manning and Cox/Ertz/Lane do not go to the HOF (despite what we may think in Philly, I'd say all 3 of those guys are under 50% at this point)...the 2017 Eagles and 2011 Giants are the only SB winners going back over 30 years to not have a HOFer on the active roster for the game.

I think Cox is pretty close. He's made 5 straight probowls, and is still only 29 years old. Realistically he can keep up this level of play for another 3 seasons. If he does that he's in IMO.

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Agreed. I see Kelce brought up a lot too but I’ve always been against the thought he makes it. All 4 end up hall of very good, but feel like guys that are just outside the cusp looking in.

I actually think kelce would have a better shot than any of them. Guy rarely if ever misses time and has been at a high level for a long time. If he can squeeze out a few more years of high level play I think he would eventually make it.

Cox just doesn't have the stats that HOF tackles have, doesn't help he is playing in the Aaron donald era either cause that's gonna be the bar.

 

13 minutes ago, devpool said:

I actually think kelce would have a better shot than any of them. Guy rarely if ever misses time and has been at a high level for a long time. If he can squeeze out a few more years of high level play I think he would eventually make it.

Cox just doesn't have the stats that HOF tackles have, doesn't help he is playing in the Aaron donald era either cause that's gonna be the bar.

Yea I think he has the best chance out of the 4, but seems like he’s close to being done. Possibly this being his last year. Centers also seem to rarely get in too. Then you have guys like Nick Mangold who presumably would be ahead. 
 

And yea, Cox would have to really turn it on. Sapp is one of the newer DT’s and he has twice the sack numbers and 4 first team all pros to Cox’s one. 

So listening to the inside the birds podcast mosher said he gets the feeling that herbig isn’t going to start. Hasn’t been told that just his feeling when he’s talked to some people. I’m guessing it’s either opeta or brown 

8 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Just saying it took a Kirk cousins choke job and one of the worst divisions in football in the last decade to make them. They won a game when they got in to their credit. However wasn’t the phrase howie used when coming back in 2016 that the eagles weren’t just building a team to make the playoffs but a roster that could win and sustain championship level. Kind of feels since 2017 each year we’ve regressed. 

2018 Wallace, a serviceable deep threat played only 1 game with no replacement to be found. 2019 DJax lasted 1+ games with no replacement in sight and on top of that doesn’t elect to have surgery right away that would have had him back at the end of the season and for the playoffs. Can’t blame Howie for the snakebites but he certainly treats 2nd round picks as fodder ( Jones, Hurts, JJAW ) and he needs to learn when to wish players well like Belichick does. I think if you are in the playoffs almost perpetually you got to keep him especially if the feeling is that extraordinary injuries are the difference between just making the playoffs and the cup because things just lineup once in a while 

18 minutes ago, The guy in France said:

2018 Wallace, a serviceable deep threat played only 1 game with no replacement to be found. 2019 DJax lasted 1+ games with no replacement in sight and on top of that doesn’t elect to have surgery right away that would have had him back at the end of the season and for the playoffs. Can’t blame Howie for the snakebites but he certainly treats 2nd round picks as fodder ( Jones, Hurts, JJAW ) and he needs to learn when to wish players well like Belichick does. I think if you are in the playoffs almost perpetually you got to keep him especially if the feeling is that extraordinary injuries are the difference between just making the playoffs and the cup because things just lineup once in a while 

Old players tend to get hurt. Wallace and desean both over 32. You don’t build and count on players 33 years and older to make it all 16 games. That’s a bad plan. I get wallace hadn’t ever had a major injury but you can look at it two ways. Either he was going to have so much wear and tear it was eventually going to hit or he was going to play 10 plus year and not have that injury bug. I tend to believe you play that long eventually it’s going to hit.