56 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

9. Darius Slay, Philadelphia Eagles

Age: 29

Size: 6-0, 190

Speed: 4.36

The Eagles acquired Slay from the Detroit Lions and then signed him to an extension averaging $16.6 million per year, which ranks third at the position.

"He can run all day with guys, he has no conscience, no memory, he is very athletic and fast, nothing bothers him,” an evaluator said.

A former head coach said he’d place Slay a notch below Peterson. A secondary coach said he’d take Slay over Peterson at this point, which illustrates, again, that not everyone uses the same template for evaluation.

"The thing with Slay is, he gets around the ball a little more than he used to,” a defensive coordinator said. "He needed to get his ball production better and he has. He leads the league in picks among corners in the past few years (tied for the lead with 13 since 2017), and for a number of years there in Detroit, he covered the best receiver all the time. Last year, 13 for Los Angeles (Keenan Allen of the Chargers) was getting after Slay pretty good, and then Slay makes the pick at the end of the game to win it. I’m a big fan of Slay.”

Another defensive coordinator thought Slay belonged in the bottom half of the top 10 at the position because his ball skills still weren’t elite. However, this coach couldn’t necessarily name nine corners he liked better.

"Everybody shies away from him, but he can’t cover as well across the field inside,” this coordinator said. "As a mirror corner, he is better. I think the kid from New Orleans, Lattimore, and the kid that Baltimore has, Humphrey, are better than Slay, personally.”

I see Ramsey in the picture, where is he rated? Better yet who are the CBS above Slay, thanks

44 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Don't be so GD literal, I'm not counting 2017 and you know that.  I'm talking the last 2 seasons and the foreseeable future.  If you think this team is anything more than a 8-8, 9-7 team in the next few years, than you're an idiot. 

 

9-7 is mediocre.  Winning a crap division at 9-7 is mediocre.  Getting lucky and beating a bad Bears team on a double doink is mediocre.

Only 12 teams make the playoffs every year out of 32 teams.  Meaning anytime a team makes the playoffs they are well "above average" by default.  "Average" would be the next 10 teams (or so) that didn't make the playoffs and "below average" teams would be the bottom 10 teams or so.  

Anyway, this conversation is pointless, since nothing Howie could do would change your opinion of him.  Agree to disagree, that's all.

All I’m hoping for on defense is that we don’t see Mills matched up 1on1 with Kupp at any point. 

58 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Howie tried to repeat 2017 for a couple of years, which is understandable, that team if it stayed healthy could have won another Ring, heck, if Wentz isn't taken out by the Clowney cheap shot, Eagles might have made it back last year. When the window is open you have to be focused on the present, not the future. Though the Jeffrey deal was bad, sometimes you just have to cut a veteran loose.

Howie knows the window is closing, 10 draft picks this year, he's building up a cap war chest to buy out and move on from a lot of contracts next year when the youth movement will have to take off. But there's enough talent to stay competitive and good organizations don't deliberately tank b/c if that worked, Cleveland would have won a couple SBs by now.

Yep, exactly.  Just about every team that wins a Super Bowl will try to keep as many "key pieces" together for another run.  That's basic, A-B-C stuff.  I can't think of a team that decided to dismantle their team and start a "youth movement" the year after winning a Super Bowl.  The idea is to "keep winning" Super Bowls....not to rebuild immediately the year following. 

Doug don't practice Santeria. That's all I " got to say about that"

 

11 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

So the second blue line from the left, I believe is the one where the ball was intercepted.  People have said Reagor ran a lazy route and that's what caused the INT.  Sure lazy route.  But what was the route supposed to be?  Was it a curl?  Cause where the ball went, it wouldn't matter how sharp he ran the route.  I still stick with a bad pass.  

Thanks for responding every time I post about Howie and the team.  

To me it looked like an out route that Wentz threw too inside. Route wasn't the best but I blame Carson more on that one. Timing was just off. I also think with his momentum Reagor couldn't really make a play on the ball and comeback to it.

So how many seasons did Howie "run the show"?  I think we can dismiss the Andy years.  And 2015, when Lurie let Chip be Chip.

So that's 2013, '14, '16, '17, '18, and '19.  Six seasons.  Five winning records.  Four playoff appearances.  One SB.

Please name 10 current GMs that have a better track record.  I'm sure you will find bad draft picks and suspect contracts for them as well.

7 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

So how many seasons did Howie "run the show"?  I think we can dismiss the Andy years.  And 2015, when Lurie let Chip be Chip.

So that's 2013, '14, '16, '17, '18, and '19.  Six seasons.  Five winning records.  Four playoff appearances.  One SB.

Please name 10 current GMs that have a better track record.  I'm sure you will find bad draft picks and suspect contracts for them as well.

It's interesting to look back at the Andy Reid years and you can tell that Andy seemed to work in harmony with Howie (After Banner left).  They seemed to share the same "thought process" when acquiring talent, etc.

I think this is the first year that Howie and Doug Pederson seem to making most of the calls and it seems evident when looking at the 2020 draft, imo.

 

7 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

To me it looked like an out route that Wentz threw too inside. Route wasn't the best but I blame Carson more on that one. Timing was just off. I also think with his momentum Reagor couldn't really make a play on the ball and comeback to it.

I trust the Next Gen Stats routes more than this guy, only because I haven’t seen him. Next Gen uses GPS player tracking. I think this guy just free handed. 

I posted the pic earlier just for a rough idea of what he was running. 

50 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

If they were a stock, they would be a bad investment.  

 

Bloggers have three options to choose from on the future of this franchise since 2017 and the near future.   
 

Arrow UP

Arrow DOWN

Arrow STAGNANT

If they are being honest, they would pick Arrow DOWN.  

And people who buy stock knows that most of the time it goes up, sometimes levels off, then sometimes goes down for a bit, and then back up. Who knows maybe you're a guru and can foresee the future of the team, that said most investment counselors tell you to ride out the downs is the best long term solution. 

39 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Come on.  Be honest with yourself.  I would take 8-8 or 9-7 if I knew they were trending up and had a good young core set up for the future.  But we know that isn't the case.  And the purge is going to have to happen this off-season in order to get under the cap.  O-Line and D-Line are not set up for the future.  Only the past.  

here's the thing "we" don't know that. 

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I trust the Next Gen Stats routes more than this guy, only because I haven’t seen him. Next Gen uses GPS player tracking. I think this guy just free handed. 

I posted the pic earlier just for a rough idea of what he was running. 

Did the Next Gen showing something different or just not as lazy as the other pic?

46 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Doug could be giving public support to Herbig but saying something quite different behind closed doors. 

I would bet on it.  Would be true if any good coach trying to coach up a player.   You could tell when Jones was wearing thin with Schwartz and Pederson.  They stopped saying nice things about him to the media. 

He didn’t say that Herbig was set in stone at RG, he said it was his job to lose.  He and Stout are telling Herbig what to improve in his game.  Trust me, on film review every player is getting shown their mistakes.  The good ones are working on installing as habits the right movements and helping the player to not revert to bad habits. Such coaches (Belichek, Dungy - both of whom focus on making good techniques habitual) tend to come off as a bit arrogant.  

14 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

To me it looked like an out route that Wentz threw too inside. Route wasn't the best but I blame Carson more on that one. Timing was just off. I also think with his momentum Reagor couldn't really make a play on the ball and comeback to it.

When I watched both interceptions, it looked like the corner knew exactly what route was going to be run. Both guys had no deep help, but were able to jump the routes. Whether they did it by watching Wentz or the receiver, I don't know. But it seemed like there was no concern about getting beat deep despite having no safety help.

26 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

So the second blue line from the left, I believe is the one where the ball was intercepted.  People have said Reagor ran a lazy route and that's what caused the INT.  Sure lazy route.  But what was the route supposed to be?  Was it a curl?  Cause where the ball went, it wouldn't matter how sharp he ran the route.  I still stick with a bad pass.  

Thanks for responding every time I post about Howie and the team.  

Isn’t that the pass where Doug hinted it slipped from Carson’s hand a bit?

greend: Sorry salesman x I have to let you go.

 

X: But why I lead the company in sales 3 years ago and have hit my numbers every year after that?

 

greend: Sure and I would take that but I have a feeling that you aren't going to keep hitting those. I mean you didn't hit your numbers this month.

 

X: It's January.

 

greend: shrugs

 

 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

64 million.  Yep.  Doesn’t take a guru to see the purge coming.   

I’ll ask again.  Name more than one player under the age of 25 that has shown real promise.   That one player is Sanders.  So yes. We do.   

Reagor, Goedert , Sanders. 

2 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

When I watched both interceptions, it looked like the corner knew exactly what route was going to be run. Both guys had no deep help, but were able to jump the routes. Whether they did it by watching Wentz or the receiver, I don't know. But it seemed like there was no concern about getting beat deep despite having no safety help.

It would be nice if the all-22 ever came out, but it looked like with Reagors at least if the throw was more outisde it would have been an easy completion. 

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Did the Next Gen showing something different or just not as lazy as the other pic?

Haven’t seen it. The guy’s chart might be pretty accurate, but I’m only taking it as a rough outline for now. 

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Not to mention but you have lost 60 million in sales next year due to bad decisions.  

That’s it we’re going to do the silly exercise of comparing the real world to pro sports 

 

Who lost 60 million in sales? Sorry but again you are trying to foresee the future. You have no idea what will happen or who will do what.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

9. Darius Slay, Philadelphia Eagles

Age: 29

Size: 6-0, 190

Speed: 4.36

The Eagles acquired Slay from the Detroit Lions and then signed him to an extension averaging $16.6 million per year, which ranks third at the position.

"He can run all day with guys, he has no conscience, no memory, he is very athletic and fast, nothing bothers him,” an evaluator said.

A former head coach said he’d place Slay a notch below Peterson. A secondary coach said he’d take Slay over Peterson at this point, which illustrates, again, that not everyone uses the same template for evaluation.

"The thing with Slay is, he gets around the ball a little more than he used to,” a defensive coordinator said. "He needed to get his ball production better and he has. He leads the league in picks among corners in the past few years (tied for the lead with 13 since 2017), and for a number of years there in Detroit, he covered the best receiver all the time. Last year, 13 for Los Angeles (Keenan Allen of the Chargers) was getting after Slay pretty good, and then Slay makes the pick at the end of the game to win it. I’m a big fan of Slay.”

Another defensive coordinator thought Slay belonged in the bottom half of the top 10 at the position because his ball skills still weren’t elite. However, this coach couldn’t necessarily name nine corners he liked better.

"Everybody shies away from him, but he can’t cover as well across the field inside,” this coordinator said. "As a mirror corner, he is better. I think the kid from New Orleans, Lattimore, and the kid that Baltimore has, Humphrey, are better than Slay, personally.”

Who were 1-10?

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Don't be so GD literal, I'm not counting 2017 and you know that.  I'm talking the last 2 seasons and the foreseeable future.  If you think this team is anything more than a 8-8, 9-7 team in the next few years, than you're an idiot. 

 

9-7 is mediocre.  Winning a crap division at 9-7 is mediocre.  Getting lucky and beating a bad Bears team on a double doink is mediocre.

If you're going to call someone an idiot, maybe learn the difference between than and then so that it doesn't backfire as much?

10 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You can add the Chiefs to that. Seattle does a decent job. Pittsburgh. They are far from perfect but I would argue they do a pretty decent job for being in the playoffs A majority of the time since 2012. 

I don’t know if he’s good enough. I hope he is. I think he can be. But imo it’s really hard to tell if he is when your offensive line is That bad. I would love to know besides Russell Wilson what quarterback have we seen in the last decade that has been consistently great behind a bad offensive line. It’s not many

It's really not to difficult to draft well when you have much of the same scheme, staff, and philosophy in place over years and years and years.

That consistency leads to having fewer square pegs for round holes than a team who is constantly in flux changing schemes, coaches, philosophy, etc.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

They are 64 million over the cap.  That’s a fact.  They are old on both lines.  That’s a fact.    
 

Neither do you when saying Reagor has shown promise after 1 game.  

Ahh yes.  Spelling police.  Thank you.  I’m an idiot for not editing.  Thanks 

You are most welcome.

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Goedert is 25 not under

Reagor has played in 1 game. LOL.  Come on.  
 

Sanders is the 1

Goedert is close enough

 

Reagor has shown promise

 

you can't have it both ways.  I think I rely on the wins column to decide if my teams future is doomed. But hey you do you.