3 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

So do we put that on Fulgham or Wentz? Do we say Fulgham is going to struggle because he can't get separation? Or Wentz can't hit him accurately enough because Fulgham is a possession receiver so separation isn't his thing?

Little bit of both? 

9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I think he’s been fine, but not as explosive as thought.

Like Maclin. Angle erasing speed in college. mid 4.4 speed in the NFL.

I could still see Reagor getting faster again though. After all his weight gain for the combine, he has a chance to continue to shed that and rebuild speed this offeason.

Maclin really had no excuse for losing so much speed between his college and rookie season. 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Ive noticed over the last 2 weeks that every one of his targets creates a level 10 degree of difficulty catch. Thats tough, but his magic has worn off. Hes not making any miracle grabs at all. And apparently not really getting very open either. 

Perfectly put. A lot of his targets are high degree of difficulty, but he needs to haul some of those in. 

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think it's a mixture of both right? Jeffrey has struggled more with Wentz than having much success. Fulgham is in that similar mould as Jeffrey. Possession receiver that needs to be given a chance to make the play. Not something Wentz does well. 

Alshon is done. He once again showed no effort. No idea why they keep putting him on the field

Just now, EagleJoe8 said:

Can’t have it both ways though. When Fulgham was the talk of the town, Wentz was his QB then as well. 

I think the reality is... Fulgham isn't as good as what he showed his first few games. I think he can be a good NFL WR as a #3/4 but not a top 2 guy. But he also isn't helped by his QB who is getting worse as the weeks go by. 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

He let the ball bounce at the 12.  He was standing right there.  He was 100% responsible for that field position.

Yup. Add a punt returner to our offseason grocery list.

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Alshon is done. He once again showed no effort. No idea why they keep putting him on the field

Oh yeah for sure but that wasn't the point I was making. 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Perfectly put. A lot of his targets are high degree of difficulty, but he needs to haul some of those in. 

He was making insane grabs and snatching balls out of the air. That hasn't happened in awhile now

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Some offenses are like that, some are not.  WCO is famous for the WRs needing to adjust to man or zone.  In man, keep running, in zone sit down.

Even in WCO based schemes, not every route is going to be an option route. Think of the implications of that when trying to create space for your primary reads.

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Oh yeah for sure but that wasn't the point I was making. 

I assumed it was another Wentz bashing point and chose to ignore it if so

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Perfectly put. A lot of his targets are high degree of difficulty, but he needs to haul some of those in. 

The lack of openness thing may just be a part of his progression where he needs to learn to beat different coverages more focused on him. 

However, if he is any good he really should be hanging on to a few of these tough grabs. And hes not. Its disappointing. 

He showed flashes of poor hands even in his breakout weeks, and its starting to look like his beginners luck is gone and his hands are proving to not be anything special. 

Is Doug still employed?

Just now, Mike030270 said:

He was making insane grabs and snatching balls out of the air. That hasn't happened in awhile now

Exactly. If I recall, he talked about priding himself on making catches that are in his area. With as bad as Wentz is playing, we need him to come through with some of those.

Just now, Mike030270 said:

I assumed it was another Wentz bashing point and chose to ignore it if so

I mean doesn't even need to be that. I was just pointing out Fulgham seems to be in that Jeffrey mould. He's not a guy who's going to get a lot of separation but that's not his game.

17 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Outside shot at Justin Fields is our only hope 

Why?  You pretty much just drafted him in the 2nd this year.

When all you have on your team for the most part are jags this is what you can expect. 

Just now, 315Eagles said:

Why?  You pretty much just drafted him in the 2nd this year.

I mean... they didn't. 

2 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I mean doesn't even need to be that. I was just pointing out Fulgham seems to be in that Jeffrey mould. He's not a guy who's going to get a lot of separation but that's not his game.

Then he needs to make contested catches.

Here's my issue with the following 3 players...Reagor/Fulgham/Mailata.

I used to criticize Wentz a lot, right up until the last couple games.  He was the franchise QB.  The bar is perfection.  The goal is to win a SB, multiple, and your foundation pieces need to be measured against a very high standard.  That's over now.  I'm not going to bash Wentz for every bad throw, decision, or mechanical flaw.  I'm just going to cheer him on and hope for the best.

Our first round pick from 2019 is a LT who got killed in limited action in 2019, had an offseason mired in trade-rumors and speculation of little confidence from his coaches, and then immediately got a season-ending injury in training camp.  

Our 2020 big ticket FA addition is a #3 rotational DT who figures to be an albatross contract for years to come.  

Reagor/Fulgham/Mailata are IT.  That's what we've got moving forward.  So as far as I'm concerned, the biggest problems from today's game are Fulgham's disappearing act, Mailata continuing to get spanked around the edge when he relieved Peters, and Reagor not yet establishing himself as a dangerous playmaker in space.  The rest of the team is a lost cause already.  I'm focused on the guys I still have expectations for.

1 minute ago, greend said:

Then he needs to make contested catches.

He does yes. He needs to do better. There were a couple there today that he's got to make. 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Here's my issue with the following 3 players...Reagor/Fulgham/Mailata.

I used to criticize Wentz a lot, right up until the last couple games.  He was the franchise QB.  The bar is perfection.  The goal is to win a SB, multiple, and your foundation pieces need to be measured against a very high standard.  That's over now.  I'm not going to bash Wentz for every bad throw, decision, or mechanical flaw.  I'm just going to cheer him on and hope for the best.

Our first round pick from 2019 is a LT who got killed in limited action in 2019, had an offseason mired in trade-rumors and speculation of little confidence from his coaches, and then immediately got a season-ending injury in training camp.  

Our 2020 big ticket FA addition is a #3 rotational DT who figures to be an albatross contract for years to come.  

Reagor/Fulgham/Mailata are IT.  That's what we've got moving forward.  So as far as I'm concerned, the biggest problems from today's game are Fulgham's disappearing act, Mailata continuing to get spanked around the edge when he relieved Peters, and Reagor not yet establishing himself as a dangerous playmaker in space.  The rest of the team is a lost cause already.  I'm focused on the guys I still have expectations for.

We run that lame orbit action and jet sweep action yet never got him the ball once on them. Zero designed plays in space on a wet field where one slip is a huge play. 

Big failure for Doug. 

5 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Is Doug still employed?

He won a SB 3 years ago so he's good for awhile.  At least that's what I hear.

2 minutes ago, greend said:

Then he needs to make contested catches.

The best catches aren't contested.  

Building an offense...no...even one full time position on offense...around the concept of a contested catch, which has a low success rate, is misguided.

It's one thing if you've got a true #1 who does it all well...otherwise, we don't need a 6'2" plodding WR who has to fight for every grab.

6 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I mean... they didn't. 

Hurts and Fields seem kinda similar to me.  I don't want Fields unless you have a coach that will build an offense that caters to his strengths.

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Here's my issue with the following 3 players...Reagor/Fulgham/Mailata.

I used to criticize Wentz a lot, right up until the last couple games.  He was the franchise QB.  The bar is perfection.  The goal is to win a SB, multiple, and your foundation pieces need to be measured against a very high standard.  That's over now.  I'm not going to bash Wentz for every bad throw, decision, or mechanical flaw.  I'm just going to cheer him on and hope for the best.

Our first round pick from 2019 is a LT who got killed in limited action in 2019, had an offseason mired in trade-rumors and speculation of little confidence from his coaches, and then immediately got a season-ending injury in training camp.  

Our 2020 big ticket FA addition is a #3 rotational DT who figures to be an albatross contract for years to come.  

Reagor/Fulgham/Mailata are IT.  That's what we've got moving forward.  So as far as I'm concerned, the biggest problems from today's game are Fulgham's disappearing act, Mailata continuing to get spanked around the edge when he relieved Peters, and Reagor not yet establishing himself as a dangerous playmaker in space.  The rest of the team is a lost cause already.  I'm focused on the guys I still have expectations for.

Mailata should be the starter for the rest of the season. They need to just suck it up that Peters took Howie behind the shed for a raise and put him on the bench or at RG

Fulgham and Reagor need more designed plays and that's on Doug and his OC committee 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

The best catches aren't contested.  

Building an offense...no...even one full time position on offense...around the concept of a contested catch, which has a low success rate, is misguided.

It's one thing if you've got a true #1 who does it all well...otherwise, we don't need a 6'2" plodding WR who has to fight for every grab.

Agreed but he was doing it before and then stopped when defenses started to take notice of him. With our luck it's probably that he's JAG