4 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

I don't think it's fumble related. Doug just doesn't stick with the run period.

I think it's more if they trail at any point that he abandons the run.  Let's face it, we have trailed early in just about every game if my memory is correct.  

My take, and I'm sure this isn't worth much to a lot of people, Wentz doesn't have that same fire for the game. Maybe getting married did it, maybe having a kid changed his priorities. But when he gets up to speak after a game I just don't see the fire. I don't see a guy who's really peed at his performance and that the team lost. I see a guy defending the nonsense he's just produced and almost shrugging it off. 

Just now, UK Eagle said:

I disagree.  You have 2 good TEs, enough parts at WR, a good RB, a Franchise QB that needs coaching, etc.  The current situation shows a lack of coaching and schematic focus; others teams have less talent and produce.  The Eagles problem is a lack of coaching nous and roster development.

The roster is imperfect, but it's not complete trash

I don't want the coach that tells Lurie that Wentz is just a franchise QB who needs better coaching, yet we also have enough at WR.  

 

Just now, 315Eagles said:

I think it's more if they trail at any point that he abandons the run.  Let's face it, we have trailed early in just about every game if my memory is correct.  

Pretty much, aside from a 17-0 lead over Washington, but I also think Doug just wants to live and die by Wentz, and he's doing a lot of dying.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

For whatever it’s worth amidst the other dysfunction, Reagor remains the 3rd least productive wr drafted in the first 4 rounds.

What’s that based on ? He was out for awhile I know that

If we fire Doug we need to hire James Franklin and give him total control. He's an all-time great coach we just can't miss.

I'd rather have Dez Bryant than Alshon.

9 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

 

Reagor/Fulgham/Mailata are IT.  That's what we've got moving forward. 

lol

I understand some may be upset from the ugly loss...but come on...

So you seriously doubt the potential of:

- Miles Sanders

- Dallas Goedert

- Josh Sweat

- Greg Ward

- Derek Barnett

All younger guys who have consistently improved since coming into the league.

 

And there's still plenty of potential among this group:

- K'Von Wallace

- Davion Taylor

- Avonte Maddox (Has shown that he can play the slot and nickel)

- Cre'von LeBlanc (Same as Maddox, has shown he can play the slot and nickel)

-  John Hightower

-  Quez Watkins

- Boston Scott

-  TJ Edwards

- Alex SIngleton

- Shaun Bradley

- Jalen Hurts

 

There are plenty of younger players for the future on this team. They may not all become pro-bowlers but the potential is there and I expect several to have very long careers in the NFL,

 

 

 

So... looking ahead... Eagles are still 1/2 game up on the division.  

Washington and Giants are right behind them, both have an easier schedule than the Eagles do. 

Let's give Eagles "Ls" for the next 4 games... and then say they beat the Cowboys.  That puts them at 4-10-1.

Washington has Dallas, Pittsburgh, Seattle, San Fran, Carolina, Eagles.  Let's say they beat Dallas, but lose the rest.  They would sit at 4-11.

Giants have Cincinnati, Seattle, Arizona Cleveland, Baltimore... and then they have Dallas the final week.  If they get a win against Cincinnati, they'd be 4-11.

 

So, going into the last week, it could be: Eagles at 4-10-1, Washington at 4-11, Giants at 4-11.  

If the Eagles win, they are in.  If they lose, it could be either Washington or the Giants.  Giants have the tiebreaker over Washington.   And the big question is: Can Washington beat Carolina and/or San Fran?   If they can, then that might be the best bet for the Eagles... Giants could likely be in the game, if not beat Cleveland and might shock Arizona.  I don't really see the Eagles shocking anyone.

5 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

If we fire Doug we need to hire James Franklin and give him total control. He's an all-time great coach we just can't miss.

At this point, Id take James Franco. He would have been smart enough to know when to stick with the run. Long live Coach Franco.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

It all needs to be fixed, but good QBs shouldn’t crater this badly. He should be better than this despite what’s around him. He’s dreadful. 

I do wonder if the head shot from Clowney didnt mess him up...

5 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

My take, and I'm sure this isn't worth much to a lot of people, Wentz doesn't have that same fire for the game. Maybe getting married did it, maybe having a kid changed his priorities. But when he gets up to speak after a game I just don't see the fire. I don't see a guy who's really peed at his performance and that the team lost. I see a guy defending the nonsense he's just produced and almost shrugging it off. 

I don't understand why people on this board dismiss this outright.

Wentz, like Mcnabb, got financial security and his game fell off a cliff. Didn't happen to Goff, Cousins or any number of other QBs.

9 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Anything interesting from Doug's post-game?

Wentz always takes it like a champ in the press conferences; I'll give him that.  

I'm curious to know what Doug's approach to the media was this afternoon.

Not much other than the question about whether or not he has the authority to bench Wentz or if he had to check with other people. He avoided the question and talked about how benching Wentz didn't send the right message instead.

Let's talk about Lane Johnson and Brandon Brooks, the right side of our OL.

Lane missed extensive time this year with an officially chronic ankle problem, missed practice this week with a neck injury, and left today's game with a shoulder injury.  He's making nearly $18m next year and is under contract through 2025.  It appears that his contract makes him untradeable, in terms of the hit we'd take.  This is going to be a problem.

Brooks has now 2 separate ruptured achilles injuries, one on each side.  He's making $14.5m next year.  They will release him after next season and it will cost them $9m of their 2022 cap space to do so.

In 2022, Brooks will be off the team and accounting for a $9m hit, Lane will be playing half the games and getting paid like an all-pro, and Cox will be paid like a DPOY.

If there is any loophole to just get these guys off the books ASAP, they need to rip off the band-aid and get it done.

6 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

lol

I understand some may be upset from the ugly loss...but come on...

So you seriously doubt the potential of:

- Miles Sanders

- Dallas Goedert

- Josh Sweat

- Greg Ward

- Derek Barnett

All younger guys who have consistently improved since coming into the league.

 

And there's still plenty of potential among this group:

- K'Von Wallace

- Davion Taylor

- Avonte Maddox (Has shown that he can play the slot and nickel)

- Cre'von LeBlanc (Same as Maddox, has shown he can play the slot and nickel)

-  John Hightower

-  Quez Watkins

- Boston Scott

-  TJ Edwards

- Alex SIngleton

- Shaun Bradley

- Jalen Hurts

 

There are plenty of younger players for the future on this team. They may not all become pro-bowlers but the potential is there and I expect several to have very long careers in the NFL,

 

 

 

I agree.  There is talent on this team believe it or not.  Just need the right coaching to bring the best out of them.

2 minutes ago, Madriver said:

I don't understand why people on this board dismiss this outright.

Wentz, like Mcnabb, got financial security and his game fell off a cliff. Didn't happen to Goff, Cousins or any number of other QBs.

I don't buy it because Wentz isn't the first QB married with a kid. McNabb got married and had a kid during his time here, but he's never been this awful.

2 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I agree.  There is talent on this team believe it or not.  Just need the right coaching to bring the best out of them.

It all starts with the OL

the injuries have been killer but dougs over reliance on old guys is his achilles heel

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

So... looking ahead... Eagles are still 1/2 game up on the division.  

Washington and Giants are right behind them, both have an easier schedule than the Eagles do. 

Let's give Eagles "Ls" for the next 4 games... and then say they beat the Cowboys.  That puts them at 4-10-1.

Washington has Dallas, Pittsburgh, Seattle, San Fran, Carolina, Eagles.  Let's say they beat Dallas, but lose the rest.  They would sit at 4-11.

Giants have Cincinnati, Seattle, Arizona Cleveland, Baltimore... and then they have Dallas the final week.  If they get a win against Cincinnati, they'd be 4-11.

 

So, going into the last week, it could be: Eagles at 4-10-1, Washington at 4-11, Giants at 4-11.  

If the Eagles win, they are in.  If they lose, it could be either Washington or the Giants.  Giants have the tiebreaker over Washington.   And the big question is: Can Washington beat Carolina and/or San Fran?   If they can, then that might be the best bet for the Eagles... Giants could likely be in the game, if not beat Cleveland and might shock Arizona.  I don't really see the Eagles shocking anyone.

So you are saying there is a possible, maybe even probable, path to the playoffs for the Eagles at 5-10-1.  Wow.

I wouldn't be totally shocked to see the Eagles beat NO without Brees.  Think back to Chip beating the Patriots in the midst of his collapse.  That team owns the Eagles more than Lurie does and it would be just like us to screw up our draft picks and choose this as our occasion to beat the Saints.

Aside from that small possibility, we basically have a 2 game season.  Dallas & WFT.

Remember when we were proficient on third downs?

2 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

I don't buy it because Wentz isn't the first QB married with a kid. McNabb got married and had a kid during his time here, but he's never been this awful.

McNabb had stretches where he was bad.  

The Saints will destroy us with or without Drew Brees.

 

Just now, Desertbirds said:

Remember when we were proficient on third downs?

Yes when Frank was here, best in the league. Geez what happen to that guy. 

1 minute ago, schuy7 said:

The Saints will destroy us with or without Drew Brees.

 

I can't even think that far ahead with Seattle up next. It's going to be a massacre.

Go Colts, rooting for you Frank. 

9 minutes ago, Madriver said:

I don't understand why people on this board dismiss this outright.

Wentz, like Mcnabb, got financial security and his game fell off a cliff. Didn't happen to Goff, Cousins or any number of other QBs.

There was no cliff for Goff or Cousibs to fall off of.