I have never seen Peters look worse.

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

So you are saying there is a possible, maybe even probable, path to the playoffs for the Eagles at 5-10-1.  Wow.

I wouldn't be totally shocked to see the Eagles beat NO without Brees.  Think back to Chip beating the Patriots in the midst of his collapse.  That team owns the Eagles more than Lurie does and it would be just like us to screw up our draft picks and choose this as our occasion to beat the Saints.

Aside from that small possibility, we basically have a 2 game season.  Dallas & WFT.

It's possible.

3 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

The Saints will destroy us with or without Drew Brees.

 

I’m sure Schwartz will have a solid game plan. 

The why doesn't really matter.  We are where we are with Wentz.

But I've been arguing it for 3 years while you all called me a hater and Eyore.  I'm firmly in the camp that the Eagles broke Wentz.

Give a young, developing QB NO ONE to throw the ball to for 3 years.  Reinforce just jamming the football into tight windows, underneath, to one telegraphed target (Ertz) for 2 years.  Get "contested catch" WRs and force him to throw it up to them in coverage.  In November/December, force him to be a hero and roll out on every play to make something out of nothing on his own.

Then shift the offensive philosophy to something more contemporary...a vertical, tiered attack to faster weapons...who happen to be rookies who can't run routes...oh...and pull the OL out from under him.  Once that fails, go right back to the recess offense.

It's no mystery how we got here.

And before you call me a Wentz washer...I'm not.  I'm in the camp that he's broken beyond repair.  He's awful.  But they made him this way.  They tolerated his crap mechanics, asked him to play recess football, never gave him weapons to learn how to conduct an orchestra from the pocket.  And now that his athleticism and the OL are both failing him, everything is falling apart.  He can't even function.

Wentz and Doug are like Embiid and Simmons.  They'll fail together and...at this point in their careers...they are going to fail separately too.  So do whatever you want, but this whole foundation needs to wash out before they can appropriately get fresh hope.

I think there's a real chance we finish last in this putrid division.

2 minutes ago, justrelax said:

I have never seen Peters look worse.

Well, it's obvious - they need to pay him more.

6 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

McNabb had stretches where he was bad.  

He did, but I don't recall it ever being this extensive.

6 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

The Saints will destroy us with or without Drew Brees.

 

If they play Taysom Hill, he might go for 150 yards... rushing.

4 minutes ago, justrelax said:

I have never seen Peters look worse.

Just wait until next year.

I want Dallas to win for a worse draft pick for them

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The why doesn't really matter.  We are where we are with Wentz.

But I've been arguing it for 3 years while you all called me a hater and Eyore.  I'm firmly in the camp that the Eagles broke Wentz.

Give a young, developing QB NO ONE to throw the ball to for 3 years.  Reinforce just jamming the football into tight windows, underneath, to one telegraphed target (Ertz) for 2 years.  Get "contested catch" WRs and force him to throw it up to them in coverage.  In November/December, force him to be a hero and roll out on every play to make something out of nothing on his own.

Then shift the offensive philosophy to something more contemporary...a vertical, tiered attack to faster weapons...who happen to be rookies who can't run routes...oh...and pull the OL out from under him.  Once that fails, go right back to the recess offense.

It's no mystery how we got here.

And before you call me a Wentz washer...I'm not.  I'm in the camp that he's broken beyond repair.  He's awful.  But they made him this way.  They tolerated his crap mechanics, asked him to play recess football, never gave him weapons to learn how to conduct an orchestra from the pocket.  And now that his athleticism and the OL are both failing him, everything is falling apart.  He can't even function.

Wentz and Doug are like Embiid and Simmons.  They'll fail together and...at this point in their careers...they are going to fail separately too.  So do whatever you want, but this whole foundation needs to wash out before they can appropriately get fresh hope.

You are still Eeyore.  😂

I’m surprised there haven’t been five Jefferson posts after that TD. 

Jefferson deep TD alert

Too bad he's too slow.

47 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I don't want the coach that tells Lurie that Wentz is just a franchise QB who needs better coaching, yet we also have enough at WR.  

 

Carson needs better coaching and pressure to play smarter.  WR wise, Reagor, Ward, Fulgham, not all pro or hall or fame candidates, but schemed right and the QB schemed right, they can produce with Ertz and Goedert, and Sanders.  A WR who can take the top off, even better. 

Teams like NE, Jacksonville, Detroit, Jets, Texans would "kill" to have the problems Eagles have.  In some respects, the Colts and Packers would too. 

39 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

I can only reiterate my comments from earlier in the week.  There is a coach with HC ambitions out there now, watching Eagles tape, being completely disgusted at what they are producing and thinking, yes, I can make that situation a whole lot better very quickly. It's all fixable.  Wentz isn't "broken". The OL requires some reconfiguration but it's not terminal.  The D needs some refinement.  One off-season of smart personnel moves in the NFC East is all it takes. We can win.  The team needs to buy in to that mission.

As an aside.  Ultimately, when bad play has no consequences, you got what you see now.

If Stoutland can’t get the OL rolling I doubt anybody else will. Lane is playing far from the All-Pro level that was planned and expected because he is not 100%. The OL is the first domino to fall in our scenario and with no solution in sight

Greg Ward had 3 rec for 9 yards today.

He has a very real chance to finish the season with fewer yards per catch than some RB's have yards per carry.

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I’m surprised there haven’t been five Jefferson posts after that TD. 

Someday people will listen to me to talk about WRs.

5 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Jefferson deep TD alert

Too bad he's too slow.

Would have been a great vertical slot here.

Just now, RLC said:

Would have been a great vertical slot here.

He’s been great on the outside too. I’m taking the L. 

31 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

I dont think he has lost it. We saw him running the first half of the season. Today he had some nice plays he moved out of the pocket and made a nice pass on the run. I think the play designs are just forcing him to not roll out. The instant pressure doesnt help. 

Lane and Peters were getting beat pretty badly

23 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

So... looking ahead... Eagles are still 1/2 game up on the division.  

Washington and Giants are right behind them, both have an easier schedule than the Eagles do. 

Let's give Eagles "Ls" for the next 4 games... and then say they beat the Cowboys.  That puts them at 4-10-1.

Washington has Dallas, Pittsburgh, Seattle, San Fran, Carolina, Eagles.  Let's say they beat Dallas, but lose the rest.  They would sit at 4-11.

Giants have Cincinnati, Seattle, Arizona Cleveland, Baltimore... and then they have Dallas the final week.  If they get a win against Cincinnati, they'd be 4-11.

 

So, going into the last week, it could be: Eagles at 4-10-1, Washington at 4-11, Giants at 4-11.  

If the Eagles win, they are in.  If they lose, it could be either Washington or the Giants.  Giants have the tiebreaker over Washington.   And the big question is: Can Washington beat Carolina and/or San Fran?   If they can, then that might be the best bet for the Eagles... Giants could likely be in the game, if not beat Cleveland and might shock Arizona.  I don't really see the Eagles shocking anyone.

I've been playing with this simulator

NFL Playoff Predictor - NFL 2020-2021 Season - Playoff Predictors

20 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Let's talk about Lane Johnson and Brandon Brooks, the right side of our OL.

Lane missed extensive time this year with an officially chronic ankle problem, missed practice this week with a neck injury, and left today's game with a shoulder injury.  He's making nearly $18m next year and is under contract through 2025.  It appears that his contract makes him untradeable, in terms of the hit we'd take.  This is going to be a problem.

Brooks has now 2 separate ruptured achilles injuries, one on each side.  He's making $14.5m next year.  They will release him after next season and it will cost them $9m of their 2022 cap space to do so.

In 2022, Brooks will be off the team and accounting for a $9m hit, Lane will be playing half the games and getting paid like an all-pro, and Cox will be paid like a DPOY.

If there is any loophole to just get these guys off the books ASAP, they need to rip off the band-aid and get it done.

Brooks can't seem to stay healthy. Lane was injured before the season and just kept getting more injured

I don't think they can move either but whoever the GM is for this next draft should look into the future RT and RG

8 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

I think there's a real chance we finish last in this putrid division.

I found a way for us to get #4 overall pick

7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Just wait until next year.

If he comes back next year I may take a break from football

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Would have been a great vertical slot here.

That would take Ward off the field for WR screens.

Just now, The guy in France said:

If Stoutland can’t get the OL rolling I doubt anybody else will. Lane is playing far from the All-Pro level that was planned and expected because he is not 100%. The OL is the first domino to fall in our scenario and with no solution 

It is, but if the QB gets rid of the ball quicker, the OL isn't under constant stress after 3 seconds with Wentz going for the home run.  Lane then isn't physically pressured as much and you are minimising the potential for injury.  It ends up being so circular

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

He’s been great on the outside too. I’m taking the L. 

He wouldn't have played outside for us. 

Reagor was the type of WR we needed, Jefferson was far, far from it.  

There are massive Reagor-type busts and Jefferson-type HOF'ers.

But the last thing this team needed was another highly productive collegiate WR with unremarkable speed who did most of his NCAA work underneath.  We had seen that movie too many damn times.

 

40 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I know Wentz had the knee injury in 2017 but he's pretty much lost all his mobility which is part of what made him dangerous.

Maybe it was coached out of him, the franchise. If so he needs to take his sack back because I think it’s entirely what made him, opens up the entire field