5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

There probably isn’t a single team that could have quality depth at LT and guard. It’s not realistic. 

Odd to say but we've been spoiled by Vaitai. 

2 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

But if you draft better then you don't have these issues. And when you do they are limited rather than being a huge issue across the roster. 

Seriously? Better than what? That's my point, can we let the year pan out and see how we do? We have winning records every year after the Super Bowl. If the team falls apart this year then maybe you have an argument. You don't have one right now other than speculation that Howiezz isn'tzzz draftingzzz rightzzzz. The proof is in the record.

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

Odd to say but we've been spoiled by Vaitai. 

Yeah we were. Thing is Vaitai was a decent back up. He wasn't a great starter, he wasn't worth what the Lions gave him but he was a good back up. 

Honestly I’m not sure how you can even assess the quality of our OL when this group just came together a couple of weeks ago

this has been my chief complaint since they were farting around with JP at guard.  It was stupid then and it’s still stupid now.  IMO, the A#1 factor for OL performance is working as a team and knowing tendencies—even more than talent

I understand the lack of preseason but there was no reason to have so much u in the air.   The injuries didn’t create this problem they just illuminated it

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I knew it was.  And you ruined it by acknowledging it.  So now you have to anti-anti jinx it.  

Nah, the antijinx people realize I'm a step from senile

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Perhaps not no OL aside though... Nate Gerry is a starter on this team. I doubt he starts for many of the contending teams. Not sure he's even next up on a lot of those teams. Mills at Safety. It's an experiment I know but still... Maddox at outside corner. Scott and Clement as RB #2 & 3. 

We obviously don’t care much at LB so I wouldn’t expect us to have depth. We had plays Sunday where we had five DL and six DBs on the field. We just don’t value the position. 

As for safety, I think our depth there is pretty impressive relative to this ther teams, even if Mills is a convert.

I’m probably in the minority, but I think Scott and Clement are perfectly fine as RB 2/3. 

That’s not to say these guys are stars or anything, but I think they’re OK. The issue is a lack of high level players or more promising prospects in the pipeline (notably at DE). 

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Odd to say but we've been spoiled by Vaitai. 

Elite backup, no doubt. 

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

There probably isn’t a single team that could have quality depth at LT and guard. It’s not realistic. 

There's a middle ground between starting cailber guys and warm bodies. Plenty of teams have been able to sustain losses along the line and fare better than we did last week. 

27 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I think it's perfectly normal to be concerned about the cap and an ageing roster. But to think that it's not fixable at all and the future is set in stone is foolhardy. 

If there's one thing I'm not concerned with it's the cap.  It's the 1 thing Howie is good at.

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Odd to say but we've been spoiled by Vaitai. 

Look at some of the other LTs we let go

King Dunlap started for 4 or 5 years for the Chargers. Villeneuva is STILL the Steelers LT. JP was in his prime then but we let them walk and got NOTHING

Just now, Asg 15 said:

Look at some of the other LTs we let go

King Dunlap started for 4 or 5 years for the Chargers. Villeneuva is STILL the Steelers LT. JP was in his prime then but we let them walk and got NOTHING

Didn’t we have Villanueva at DE for a time?? Did I just make that up?

Just now, greend said:

Seriously? Better than what? That's my point, can we let the year pan out and see how we do? We have winning records every year after the Super Bowl. If the team falls apart this year then maybe you have an argument. You don't have one right now other than speculation that Howiezz isn'tzzz draftingzzz rightzzzz. The proof is in the record.

Jones. Douglas. Pumphrey. Miller. Thornton. Hollies. Gibson. Qualls. Smallwood. Countess. McCalister. Walker. None of them worked out. 

Right now I'd say Barnett isn't looking like a brilliant first round pick. JJAW a bad second round pick. 

You don't have to hit on every pick. We know that's impossible but the first list above are all gone. Barnett may be gone after this year and JJAW will be on the hot seat unless we see a major turnaround. 

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

There's a middle ground between starting cailber guys and warm bodies. Plenty of teams have been able to sustain losses along the line and fare better than we did last week. 

That’s another discussion. Doug didn’t help the OL IMO. With the RBs struggling with blitz pickup, it sure seems like the quick passing game would have been the good route in the second half. 

3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Honestly I’m not sure how you can even assess the quality of our OL when this group just came together a couple of weeks ago

this has been my chief complaint since they were farting around with JP at guard.  It was stupid then and it’s still stupid now.  IMO, the A#1 factor for OL performance is working as a team and knowing tendencies—even more than talent

I understand the lack of preseason but there was no reason to have so much u in the air.   The injuries didn’t create this problem they just illuminated it

That wasn't farting around though, it was strictly out of necessity. When BB went down, we either had to roll with Pryor, or bring back JP. It was only after Dillard went down, that we had to once again go back to JP and ask him to play LT. I don't fault Stoutland for any of that shuffling. Now, the Dillard at RT experiment is a different story.

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I’m probably in the minority, but I think Scott and Clement are perfectly fine as RB 2/3. 

That’s not to say these guys are stars or anything, but I think they’re OK. The issue is a lack of high level players or more promising prospects in the pipeline (notably at DE). 

Scott is not a proven #2 and did not impress at all on Sunday before getting hurt. Clement is not a good player.

They don't need to be stars but where are the stars on this team?

9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Peters wasn’t good Sunday, but he was the best backup LT in the NFL prior to Dillard going down (yes, he was at RG but he was always going to move back to LT if Dillard got hurt). It’s unreasonable to expect a third LT be a quality player or prospect. 

As for RG, it seems the Eagles misjudged Pryor. 

I guarantee if Pryor gets in the game, he'll look better than Herbig.

It's just the coaches are idiots.  I'm really convinced of that.

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

Didn’t we have Villanueva at DE for a time?? Did I just make that up?

A DE or TE, I'm not sure

Just now, Asg 15 said:

A DE or TE, I'm not sure

DE - I believe in camp in 2013 with Chip Kelly 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

 

 

Hey, JP was still one of the best LTs in the game until about 3 years ago.

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Scott is not a proven #2 and did not impress at all on Sunday before getting hurt. Clement is not a good player.

They don't need to be stars but where are the stars on this team?

I think Scott showed well enough last year to be the backup. Clement when healthy is plenty good as the third RB. 

Just now, ManuManu said:

That’s another discussion. Doug didn’t help the OL IMO. With the RBs struggling with blitz pickup, it sure seems like the quick passing game would have been the good route in the second half. 

Agreed, he failed to adjust schematically as well. But if you take yourself back to March and objectively look at our OL depth heading into the offseason, you couldn't have been confident about what you saw, right?

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You said JP was still in his prime when we let him walk.  Stick to that.  Now I'll ask you.  Do you seriously believe that?  

 

 

I said JP was in his prime when we let Dunlap and Villenueva walk.

Or at least that's what i meant to say. Dimentia's a terrible thing.

11 minutes ago, MediterraneanDiet said:

Then maybe a coach should call a game that minimizes the decline in play rather than maximizing it.  Can't roll out on 2nd and 7-10-more because they need plays that produce more yards? Please, Carson can stretch the field from anywhere behind the line of scrimmage.  Doug sucks left to his own devices.

Yeah I read that and was like WTF?  Is he stupid?  Its 2nd and 7+ so you cant have Carson roll out of the pocket?  I hope Doug is just saying this to play stupid.

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

People keep saying this.  But Howie has never been 64 million under.  Period. He'll have to pull "Howie magic" to get us to the cap.  

I'm not worried.  

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

That wasn't farting around though, it was strictly out of necessity. When BB went down, we either had to roll with Pryor, or bring back JP. It was only after Dillard went down, that we had to once again go back to JP and ask him to play LT. I don't fault Stoutland for any of that shuffling. Now, the Dillard at RT experiment is a different story.

Sorry new number, who dis??

 

when Brooks went down, we didn’t have to bring back JP to play guard.  JP is a tackle and has been since converting from TE

As soon as JP walked through the door he should have been a backup LT and they should have developed a guard to play for Brooks.  Clearly Pryor was some sort of lie, I don’t really know what the hell their plans were

the whole situation reeks of last-minute scrambling.  What would have happened if JP stayed at guard anyway??

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I think Scott showed well enough last year to be the backup. Clement when healthy is plenty good as the third RB. 

I'd flip them, and say Clement is 2nd and Scott 3rd, but otherwise I agree with the larger point that they are suitable as depth players and have justified their roster spots. That being said, I really would've liked to have seen us bring in Fournette.