5 hours ago, schuy7 said:

This teams runs the sloppiest screen plays I've ever seen.

What's frustrating is they called a screen on like the 5th play that Kelce was out.  What are the coaches even thinking?  They had a hobbled JP, Seumalo, UDFA at center making his NFL debut, Pryor and hurt Lane on the line yet the coaches think they would be able to run a successful screen when they can't even do it with the starters.  When players get hurt you scratch off certain plays. Of course the play was a disaster.  Just a very small example of bad coaching and situational awareness.

25 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think Wentz is a bad QB yes. So hang on... What's the alternative here? Let him continue to play just because he accounts for 25% of the cap? Let him continue to suck and hurt the team?

The need is to work with him and see if we can get back what makes hima premium QB.  That takes coaching and talent around him.  I know this is super hard for you to grasp, but he is not the only issue.  This OLine SUCKS. His weapons are, at best, mediocre.  Doug's offense is stale.  The draft picks have been suspect.   He looks way better if any of those things improve and all of those things improve when he plays better.  This is a team failure.

6 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think there’s a higher percentage chance that the Eagles lose out then they win the division. I don’t see them winning both the Washington game and the Dallas game. 

I don’t think they’re gonna fire howie. I also don’t think doug is gonna get fired. But I do think 2021 is gonna be a very telling year with both of their futures. But I kind of am in agreement with banner not that I wouldn’t fire howor or doug but I don’t think they’re gonna do it. 

I think it’s a bad job if you do not believe in Carson Wentz or in Jalen hurts. If you do then I think it’s a much better opportunity than what we would give it credit for even with the negatives. Now next year might be a disaster just because of the cap and what they’ve done. Granted if i am GM and I’m coming in Seeing what happen with this offense I want my own head coach that’s creative but I feel can work with making one of those to my franchise

 

I also saw Banners quotes, and I agree with your assessment.  The big picture remains "super bowl in 2017 and playoffs three straight years” and therefore Lurie won’t make the necessary changes.

The challenge for us is if Howie is retained, and allowed to completely squander and destroy this next draft, we will become the new Giants, drafting top 10 every year and still being terrible.  We’ve seen enough from his management of the personnel side and especially the draft.  Jeff won’t be able to make that evaluation yet unfortunately but we know what it is.

My current hope is that Jeff realizes how talent deprived and draft inept the team is and he forces Howie to delegate/give up final decision making to a new person, putting Howie in a former Banner type role with only business aspect influence over the football operation and not final say on personnel.

Also, those talking about trading up for Spiccoli, are you high?  No one is trading the rights to take that kid.  You can bet the Jags owner has issued a "no more wins” edict if he has any brains at all.  I’m hoping the Jets don’t blow it and get to draft him, he would be great for that franchise.

4 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

The need is to work with him and see if we can get back what makes hima premium QB.  That takes coaching and talent around him.  I know this is super hard for you to grasp, but he is not the only issue.  This OLine SUCKS. His weapons are, at best, mediocre.  Doug's offense is stale.  The draft picks have been suspect.   He looks way better if any of those things improve and all of those things improve when he plays better.  This is a team failure.

I mean we will have to agree to disagree bud. His mechanics are flawed, he doesn't have that same athleticism that he did pre injury and he makes bad decisions. To me there really isn't anything to work with because he just isn't a good QB. He makes the OL look worse at times, he makes the WRs look worse at times. He is the major problem, he is the major issue. He isn't a premium QB. He hasn't been since 2017 and that was just 1 year.

this place turned into TATERVILLE.

 

7 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I mean we will have to agree to disagree bud. His mechanics are flawed, he doesn't have that same athleticism that he did pre injury and he makes bad decisions. To me there really isn't anything to work with because he just isn't a good QB. He makes the OL look worse at times, he makes the WRs look worse at times. He is the major problem, he is the major issue. He isn't a premium QB. He hasn't been since 2017 and that was just 1 year.

OK, Bobby.  Its 100% on Carson.  Every Fing part of it.

Now scamper off and repeat yourself again and again and again across multiple topics.

Just now, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

OK, Bobby.  Its 100% on Carson.  Every Fing part of it.

Now scamper off and repeat yourself again and again and again across multiple topics.

I've said multiple times in numerous threads that there are issues across the board. The roster is constructed terribly. The offensive scheme isn't good. The OL has been bad and the injuries have hurt them. The D is up and down but overall lacks talent. There are isues left right and centre but so much starts with Wentz. He isn't reading plays, he isn't going through his reads, he isn't seeing things out there. He locks in on a receiver, he holds on to the ball too long, he has no feel for the game and he makes terrible decisions. If he just plays at an average level then this team likely has a couple more wins at least. It probably is more competitive and it probably has the division pretty much wrapped up.

Imagine if Myles Garrett did play...lol.

2 minutes ago, John_C said:

I also saw Banners quotes, and I agree with your assessment.  The big picture remains "super bowl in 2017 and playoffs three straight years” and therefore Lurie won’t make the necessary changes.

The challenge for us is if Howie is retained, and allowed to completely squander and destroy this next draft, we will become the new Giants, drafting top 10 every year and still being terrible.  We’ve seen enough from his management of the personnel side and especially the draft.  Jeff won’t be able to make that evaluation yet unfortunately but we know what it is.

My current hope is that Jeff realizes how talent deprived and draft inept the team is and he forces Howie to delegate/give up final decision making to a new person, putting Howie in a former Banner type role with only business aspect influence over the football operation and not final say on personnel.

Also, those talking about trading up for Spiccoli, are you high?  No one is trading the rights to take that kid.  You can bet the Jags owner has issued a "no more wins” edict if he has any brains at all.  I’m hoping the Jets don’t blow it and get to draft him, he would be great for that franchise.

Lurie has to make a change.  If not both, then one or the other of DP or Howie has to go.  They just can't stand pat with the direction this organization is going.  They have NO money to sign any FA.  We have this team next year plus some draft picks.  They aren't going to magically turn in to 11-5, 10-6 or even 8-8.

For starters, Washington and NYG are both young, improving football teams with new coaching staffs.  The Eagles will be going into the offseason as the 3rd or 4th worst team in the East.  Washington has to figure out quarterback but all they need is an average player and they will be better next year.  Maybe they go after Dak.  NYG have youth, energy, get Saquon back and will continue to get better under JJ.

The Eagles and Cowboys will be fighting for the bottom spot.  Dallas has huge decisions to make starting with Dak.  I'd say they are in a better position than the Eagles due to his injury.  They aren't tied down to anyone at QB. They can probably bring him  back at a discounted/short term contract if they wanted or they can go after a guy they really think is the QB of the future.  Do you think they could package Amari Cooper, their 1st and some other assets to get to #1 for Trevor Lawrence?  They also have $33 million in cap space so they have flexibility to bring in FA.

That brings us to the Eagles who are $60 million in the hole.  They have the worst QB in the NFL who has a $59 million cap hit next year.  They are going to be shedding salaries just to get under the cap.  They will have new starters potentially at LT, C, RG, WR, CB2, DT2, DE2, MLB, OLB, S.  The problem is, the new starters are already on this team or potential draft picks (no faith Howie can draft).  So we know what this team is going to be next year.  

Is this roster going under the same coaching going to suddenly be better?  Is Howie going to make the right draft picks to possibly start?  Is Wentz going to suddenly not be the quarterback who has over 100 turnovers in just 60+ games?  

QB- Wentz    RB- Sanders   TE- Goedert   WR1- Fulgham   WR2- Reagor   Slot- Ward    LT- Dillard    LG- Herbig/rookie?   C- Seumalo    RG- Brooks/Herbig?    RT- Johnson

DE1- BG    DT- Cox    DT- Hargrave    DE2- Sweat/R    OLB- Singleton/Bradley/R   MLB- Edwards    OLB- Taylor/R    CB1- Slay    CB2- R    Slot- LeBlanc/Maddox   S- McLeod    S- Wallace/R
 

I have NO faith in this team from Lurie on down.  Lurie doesn't have the sack to make a big move to bring about changes.  Howie can't draft t save his life and his roster management is atrocious.  DP is a lost head coach.  Everything about him right now is bad.  I don't see one positive from his coaching.  

 

 

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I've said multiple times in numerous threads that there are issues across the board. The roster is constructed terribly. The offensive scheme isn't good. The OL has been bad and the injuries have hurt them. The D is up and down but overall lacks talent. There are isues left right and centre but so much starts with Wentz. He isn't reading plays, he isn't going through his reads, he isn't seeing things out there. He locks in on a receiver, he holds on to the ball too long, he has no feel for the game and he makes terrible decisions. If he just plays at an average level then this team likely has a couple more wins at least. It probably is more competitive and it probably has the division pretty much wrapped up.

You have no grasp of how an offense works.  No offense runs when your QB is being pummeled from horrific line play.  Compound that with mediocre skill position talent (less Sanders and Goedert) and questionable play calling and a problem starts to happen.  Honestly, its no wonder that all of his deficiencies are rising to the top, given what he deals with play after play.

You want someone to blame...start with Doug and then progress on up to Howie. 

Now, move on.

5 minutes ago, goeagles5039 said:

Imagine if Myles Garrett did play...lol.

I just can not imagine what he would have done to Jason Peters...probably a Winston Justice like destruction.  It was embarrassing enough.

11 hours ago, ManuManu said:

So if we fire Doug and completely clean house, who is the bright offensive mind we can hire to fix Wentz or develop Hurts?

Joe Brady?

Them what?

Kind of sucks Matt ruhle left Baylor last year. I loved him as a coaching prospect. Even though Carolina is 4-7 he’s done an excellent job with that team. Besides the 2 tampa bay games  they been in every game without their best offensive weapon for the majority of the season. Nearly beat the chiefs and saints. 

im guessing joe Brady would be up there. Lurie would want some one innovative and creative. I’m guessing he looks around the nfl and sees the cardinals, rams, niners, panthers and how they incorporate their players and the creativity they use and wants that. He knows what wins in this league. 

However how ridiculous is it At the end of last year the Eagles fired Groh and needed to hire an offensive coordinators and yet manage to not hire an offensive coordinator and running it the way that they are. I don’t know, I thought that was bizarre from the beginning and I feel like that was the Eagles trying to be the smartest person in the room instead of just doing what you needed to do

12 minutes ago, goeagles5039 said:

Imagine if Myles Garrett did play...lol.

If he played, I think we lose for sure!

 

 

 

12 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

You have no grasp of how an offense works.  No offense runs when your QB is being pummeled from horrific line play.  Compound that with mediocre skill position talent (less Sanders and Goedert) and questionable play calling and a problem starts to happen.  Honestly, its no wonder that all of his deficiencies are rising to the top, given what he deals with play after play.

You want someone to blame...start with Doug and then progress on up to Howie. 

Now, move on.

So hang on... So on the safety play that was all on the OL? No blame on Carson for missing a wide open Goedert and I think even Ward was open? On the pick six Reagor was wide open but that's on mediocre skill position play? Wentz is being pummelled but lets look at how many of those sacks are from Wentz holding on too long before we lump it all on the OL. And on the skills positions, he has Sanders, Goedert and I think Reagor is showing something. Fulgham was putting up big numbers before but now is getting 1 or 2 catches a game. Richard Rodgers is playing well so I think it's a little unfair to say mediocre.

9 hours ago, Br3 said:

Wentz on 3rd n 3 going through his progressions: 

1st read : hmmm he’s open but that play isn’t big enough 

2nd read: ehhh he’s open too but why get the first down on a pathetic curl route ? 
 

3rd read: *seam route towards the endzone not to be used as an actual option but only to open up space for receivers underneath, receiver is double covered*

wentz: bingo  time to wind up and unload 

*sacked* 

 

Week after week. This is our qb. 

More like 1st read: He's kinda open

2nd read it's Alshon he won't catch it

3rd read Reagor is op wham sacked

 

There are plays that are Carson's fault, there is plenty of times when it isn't as well.

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Kind of sucks Matt ruhle left Baylor last year. I loved him as a coaching prospect. Even though Carolina is 4-7 he’s done an excellent job with that team. Besides the 2 tampa bay games  they been in every game without their best offensive weapon for the majority of the season. Nearly beat the chiefs and saints. 

im guessing joe Brady would be up there. Lurie would want some one innovative and creative. I’m guessing he looks around the nfl and sees the cardinals, rams, niners, panthers and how they incorporate their players and the creativity they use and wants that. He knows what wins in this league. 

I just pray they don't go the predictable route and just offer another Kansas OC in Bieniemy the keys to the kingdom after watching Doug flame out.  Also at this point  this may not be a quick fix, I'd love to see a Chip Kelly style 4-12 to 10-6 style flip but this roster doesn't look likely to do that at all, we might have to accept a couple of years of this to get us back on track, they'd need to do their due diligence and make a considered choice.

2 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

So hang on... So on the safety play that was all on the OL? No blame on Carson for missing a wide open Goedert and I think even Ward was open? On the pick six Reagor was wide open but that's on mediocre skill position play? Wentz is being pummelled but lets look at how many of those sacks are from Wentz holding on too long before we lump it all on the OL. And on the skills positions, he has Sanders, Goedert and I think Reagor is showing something. Fulgham was putting up big numbers before but now is getting 1 or 2 catches a game. Richard Rodgers is playing well so I think it's a little unfair to say mediocre.

Do you just go over a thread or two and then just start repeating what others post?  It  sure seems like it.

Mediocre talent all over the field.  No debate about that.  The whole damn offense, including Wentz, has problems.  Not a single player is free and clear.  After game after game of failure, its hard to tell what is happening other than system wide failure from top to bottom.

If this was all on one qb, one unit (OL/wr), or the HC, it wouldn’t be this bad.  They all suck.  

Just now, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Do you just go over a thread or two and then just start repeating what others post?  It  sure seems like it.

Mediocre talent all over the field.  No debate about that.  The whole damn offense, including Wentz, has problems.  Not a single player is free and clear.  After game after game of failure, its hard to tell what is happening other than system wide failure from top to bottom.

I post what I think! I post my own opinions. As I have said so many times there are many issues with this team so I am not going to go back over the same things. I've told you what I think is wrong with the team and Carson is one of those problems. He is also the biggest problem.

2 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

I just pray they don't go the predictable route and just offer another Kansas OC in Bieniemy the keys to the kingdom after watching Doug flame out.  Also at this point  this may not be a quick fix, I'd love to see a Chip Kelly style 4-12 to 10-6 style flip but this roster doesn't look likely to do that at all, we might have to accept a couple of years of this to get us back on track, they'd need to do their due diligence and make a considered choice.

Yep, that's my fear.  Or even worse, promoting Duce from within.  We need all new energy, a different mentality and I fear Duce and Bienemy would just continue down the path we currently are on.  I want a football guy at GM, not a cap guru who can't even manage the cap anymore.  

Lurie is going to lose this fanbase if he doesn't make a drastic move.  

 

10 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

I just pray they don't go the predictable route and just offer another Kansas OC in Bieniemy the keys to the kingdom after watching Doug flame out.  Also at this point  this may not be a quick fix, I'd love to see a Chip Kelly style 4-12 to 10-6 style flip but this roster doesn't look likely to do that at all, we might have to accept a couple of years of this to get us back on track, they'd need to do their due diligence and make a considered choice.

I still don’t think they fired Doug after this year. Now maybe doug walks away if they tell him He is stripped of playcalling duties. But I think howie, doug and Carson are all going to be back in 2021

I think Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes makes a lot of those Kansas City guys look much more attractive than that they probably really are. This is the Adam Gase looked great with Peyton Manning. Well as long as you’re not a moron you should look really good with Peyton Manning.

It’s kind of why I would go with Joe Brady if we are going to hire a new coach. I look at what he’s done with the personnel he was given at the start of the year and the quarterback that he has. I think Teddy Bridgewater is OK but I didn’t think Teddy Bridgewater would perform as well as he has this year especially when you consider mccaffrey has played only three games. 

To your chip Kelly point, Andy Reid didn’t leave the cupboard bare when he was fired. They had good picks coming up in that draft and some promising young talent like Fletcher Cox, Brandon Graham, lesean mccoy, Nick Foles, Michael Kendricks, and some others. the Eagles were getting back wide receivers like DeSean Jackson and Jeremy maclin. This team does not feel like it has many young players on defense. Qb situation can go either way at the moment. the offensive line has aged and really your wide receivers are a question mark as we don’t know how good reagor is and fulgham hasn’t made the adjustment to the league adjusting to him

The first order of business really needs to be for them to figure out what loophole can free themselves of every single non rookie contract on the team.

 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

 

Alshon had 2 targets on 5 snaps, and was the primary read on one of the other 3 snaps.

Incredible.

5 minutes ago, RLC said:

Alshon had 2 targets on 5 snaps, and was the primary read on one of the other 3 snaps.

Incredible.

Yep, it's shocking.  Fulgham played 96% of the snaps and I can only think of 2-3 targets.