55 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

This wasnt a negative shot towards Kelce.

I'm curious to who/what that was towards. 

Sitting with my buddy I thought he was sick of the bullsh!t play calls. My buddy thought it was because he wants/wanted to retire and hes asking himself why he's putting himself threw it

Yea, that's interesting to try to think what he was referring to.  He's also the kind of guy to be mad at himself for getting injured, calling his arm or himself stupid.  When I tore my bicep I was swearing at myself because I knew how dumb I was in trying to do something I needed help with.

But you have to wonder is he second guessing coming back to this trainwreck of a game.  If he did think it was that stupid however, would he risk further injury with that brace in the second half?  I think it was anger at himself.

41 minutes ago, RLC said:

Yup, but we're not competing in 2021 anyway, so might as well take all our lumps next year for the rebuild.

I thought we were taking our lumps this year.  You mean we have to do this again?!  😱

54 minutes ago, metal said:

Yeah I don't get the Hightower thing either. I don't even know why he was active if he was only going to play one snap. Also Greg Ward should never be returning punts. He has no feel for whether or not the ball is going to bounce into the end zone. I understand every now and then you will miscalculate or get a bad bounce but it is happening multiple times per game. With an offense as **** as ours is they can't afford to lose field position due to stupid mistakes.

I posted some stats last week of how poor the Eagles starting field position has been.  I've never seen a team like the Eagles let as many punts bounce inside the 10 yard line.  They rarely if ever start outside of their own 20 yard line let alone the new touchback auto 25 yard line.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I thought we were taking our lumps this year.  You mean we have to do this again?!  😱

I got some potentially bad news. But maybe if i tell you the bad news in a good way it won’t be so bad. 

8 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think this team will get at least 17 garbage pts.  

How?

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I got some potentially bad news. But maybe if i tell you the bad news in a good way it won’t be so bad. 

Give it to me over a bowl of ice cream.

6 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I just think from a management standpoint, if youve been dictating terms to Doug the entire time (hiring/firing his coaches and picking his players) then if you fire him outright, youve basically admitted that you as a manager have screwed up and not put him in a good position.  Maybe they do can him, but I doubt it.

I agree Doug is a huge part of the problem.  But theyre making it really hard on him.  They've emasculated him

 

And honestly, the way Doug calls games is almost like he's making sure to call every coachs favorite plays.  Like 'ok heres my play, now lets call Marty's play, and ok on this series lets go with Rich's plays...."

It leads to an incoherent, discombobulated game plan.  They don't break tendencies or even really establish tendencies (our offense has had no identity for years)... its like theyre focused on making sure they run a new play every down instead of actually scheming to use their strengths against a teams weaknesses.  This is why we have repeated targets for Greg Ward, Alshon, Rodgers, etc

It reeks of being a bad leader (in what you describe)... hopefully that’s not the case.

1 hour ago, Bacarty2 said:

My take ways...

Predictable. - Schlereth was basically laughing at the eagles play calling. Calling it predicable. no reason to cover the deep ball. CB's jumping routes etc. 

Running game - 101 yards in the first half. 5 in the 2nd half. 

Jason Kelce - "This is so F*****ing stupid after his injury... Play calling? Him playing one more year?

Laughable that Alshon was on the field

Heres a quick run down of what I kept track of.. 

Wentz was hit 10 times, sacked 5 times, ran 6 screen plays for 4 yards and 1 roll out for 8 yards. 

Wentz isnt playing well... but i'm about 88% blaming Doug

There is SOOOOO much more wrong this than just Wentz.  He's a part of a massive system wide failure. 

Look no further than the way that Jason Peters was repeatedly dropped in his lap and how Alshon is essentially TE3 and yet still taking snaps from productive younger talent says alot about how much failure is happening.

Just now, greend said:

How?

Seattle will go into a lame 'prevent' mode, stop caring and start to think about the short week ahead.  Once they hit the 50 burger, the starters will be pulled... just deep backups in the game as much as they can.

8 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I just think from a management standpoint, if youve been dictating terms to Doug the entire time (hiring/firing his coaches and picking his players) then if you fire him outright, youve basically admitted that you as a manager have screwed up and not put him in a good position.  Maybe they do can him, but I doubt it.

I agree Doug is a huge part of the problem.  But theyre making it really hard on him.  They've emasculated him

 

And honestly, the way Doug calls games is almost like he's making sure to call every coachs favorite plays.  Like 'ok heres my play, now lets call Marty's play, and ok on this series lets go with Rich's plays...."

It leads to an incoherent, discombobulated game plan.  They don't break tendencies or even really establish tendencies (our offense has had no identity for years)... its like theyre focused on making sure they run a new play every down instead of actually scheming to use their strengths against a teams weaknesses.  This is why we have repeated targets for Greg Ward, Alshon, Rodgers, etc

That would be his fault too. He's the coach he needs to have the balls to stand up for his guys and he also needs to admit when his guys are the problem. Including his players.

Just now, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

There is SOOOOO much more wrong this than just Wentz.  He's a part of a massive system wide failure. 

Look no further than the way that Jason Peters was repeatedly dropped in his lap and how Alshon is essentially TE3 and yet still taking snaps from productive younger talent says alot about how much failure is happening.

Frankly, Richard Rodgers is WAY better than Alshon.   I couldn't believe that 'effort' from Alshon on that INT.  Somehow, a guy who is 6'2" mistimes his "jump" and ends up 4'10" tall by the time the ball arrives.  The ball easily floats into the DBs arms at a height of about 7'2"... and Alshon rolls away.

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I thought we were taking our lumps this year.  You mean we have to do this again?!  😱

Going 3-13 is fine, if there's a clear rebuilding plan. Jaguar fans (yes they exist) are fine this year, just like Dolphins fans were fine last year.

Trying to win and losing is the worst.

24 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Its coachspeak man, just get over it

Dont wont bench Carson because he cant.  

First off, go ahead and name all the players on offense who are playing well.  That would be zero.  Fulgham is coming back to earth, Miles had another soft fumble at the goal line, maybe Goeddert?    

Benching a QB is for when the QB is obviously holding the team back.  That's not the case here. The entire team is playing like crap.   Benching Wentz would be seen as a desperation move to save Dougs arse, its not the right move for the team dynamic to just bench him knowing that Hurts doesnt give the team a better chance to win.   And Wentz isnt some old vet. You just dont bench a QB like that, its juvenile.

Beyond that, Doug doesnt have the gravitas or the pull in the organization to make a decision like that.  Doug cant even run his own offense, let alone bench the franchise QB

Also, because of Hurts.  You cant voluntarily enflame the QB controversy even heading into 2021.  

The Eagles FO has made this bed, theyre the only ones who can fix it.  This team is beyond what the coaches and players can repair on their own

I understand that a lot of guys aren't playing to their potential.  The fumble by Sanders was a killer but he was averaging over 6 yards a pop again (only to be forgotten in the 2nd half).

Carson is an absolute trainwreck.  If he was holding the ball too long because no one is getting open that would be one thing.  He's looking off WIDE OPEN WR for no reason.  There are guys with 5 yards of space around them and Carson ignores them.  He's costing this team games.  He was responsible for 9 Browns points alone yesterday.  He needs to be benched.

1 minute ago, greend said:

That would be his fault too. He's the coach he needs to have the balls to stand up for his guys and he also needs to admit when his guys are the problem. Including his players.

He should have either resigned or demanded that his assistants be retained last year

That whole situation was a huge red flag.  What SB winning HC is treated that way?  

It showed major cracks in the organization and those have turned into gaping canyons

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Seattle will go into a lame 'prevent' mode, stop caring and start to think about the short week ahead.  Once they hit the 50 burger, the starters will be pulled... just deep backups in the game as much as they can.

Guys still have to catch the balls and get open. Carson still has to hit them and Carson and Sanders have to do so without turning the ball over. I have zero confidence even in garbage time

9 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I posted some stats last week of how poor the Eagles starting field position has been.  I've never seen a team like the Eagles let as many punts bounce inside the 10 yard line.  They rarely if ever start outside of their own 20 yard line let alone the new touchback auto 25 yard line.

That was me as well. On the season they have started on average at the 26. They had 107 possessions and 74 of them started at or inside the 25. So around 69% of the time they have had to go 75 yards or More. In this game they were better than last game where all 10 possessions started inside the 25. They had four possessions where they started at their own 37, own 38, browns 47 and browns 19. Actually one of their better games where you consider their average field position. Their average starting field position was the 32 

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Give it to me over a bowl of ice cream.

Chocolate or vanilla? 

29 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The biggest problem with Howie isn't drafting (every GM has his share of misses) but the attempt to recapture the 2017 magic and not being willing to admit the party is over. The team has gotten older, slower and more injury prone, but to be fair, they brought in a lot of young talent this year, but with no pre-season or exhibition games, they've been force feed for good and evil.

wrong.  His drafting is one of the biggest reasons the Eagles future is so bleak.

Another Sunday, another big game from Justin Jefferson and Chase Claypool.  

I'm nervous to see what DK does to this team next Monday night and what the reaction from that will be. 

Just now, RLC said:

Going 3-13 is fine, if there's a clear rebuilding plan. Jaguar fans (yes they exist) are fine this year, just like Dolphins fans were fine last year.

Trying to win and losing is the worst.

I don't think there's a plan either... 

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

He should have either resigned or demanded that his assistants be retained last year

That whole situation was a huge red flag.  What SB winning HC is treated that way?  

It showed major cracks in the organization and those have turned into gaping canyons

Yup, but even better he should have seen that some of his guys needed fired. Just like every week he trots out these old Fing players that are past their prime or just don't give a crap anymore. He also trots out what has to be the worst defensive back field in football history.

3 minutes ago, greend said:

Guys still have to catch the balls and get open. Carson still has to hit them and Carson and Sanders have to do so without turning the ball over. I have zero confidence even in garbage time

Well... they have managed points in garbage time in every game this year to make the losses 'close'... Steelers game... Ravens game... etc.   They will score points when it doesn't matter.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Chocolate or vanilla? 

Vanilla, please.

Just now, bpac55 said:

I understand that a lot of guys aren't playing to their potential.  The fumble by Sanders was a killer but he was averaging over 6 yards a pop again (only to be forgotten in the 2nd half).

Carson is an absolute trainwreck.  If he was holding the ball too long because no one is getting open that would be one thing.  He's looking off WIDE OPEN WR for no reason.  There are guys with 5 yards of space around them and Carson ignores them.  He's costing this team games.  He was responsible for 9 Browns points alone yesterday.  He needs to be benched.

Are you referring to the pick 6? 

I mean, he basically had max protect on the right side and Rodgers let a free rusher go right past him.  

If what Torrey Smith said is true and that route from Reagoris supposed to turn into a wheel route down the sideline, you can understand why Wentz is holding it. He thinks hes going to have some time and by the time he realizes he doesnt and tries to dump it to Sanders its too late and he gets hit.

Regardless, I dont even have the will to break this down anymore.  The team sucks, Wentz is a laughingstock at this point.  So if Eagles fans want to jump in on that, be my guest

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Well... they have managed points in garbage time in every game this year to make the losses 'close'... Steelers game... Ravens game... etc.   They will score points when it doesn't matter.

We also won the super bowl once. I have zero confidence. 

3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I just think from a management standpoint, if youve been dictating terms to Doug the entire time (hiring/firing his coaches and picking his players) then if you fire him outright, youve basically admitted that you as a manager have screwed up and not put him in a good position.  Maybe they do can him, but I doubt it.

I agree Doug is a huge part of the problem.  But theyre making it really hard on him.  They've emasculated him

 

And honestly, the way Doug calls games is almost like he's making sure to call every coachs favorite plays.  Like 'ok heres my play, now lets call Marty's play, and ok on this series lets go with Rich's plays...."

It leads to an incoherent, discombobulated game plan.  They don't break tendencies or even really establish tendencies (our offense has had no identity for years)... its like theyre focused on making sure they run a new play every down instead of actually scheming to use their strengths against a teams weaknesses.  This is why we have repeated targets for Greg Ward, Alshon, Rodgers, etc

I don't disagree with this. However, the passing game is broken on this team and it seems like Doug doesn't know how to fix it.  He should know what he needs to do to fix the problem. He's a former OC.  He's has enough coaching experience.  He's the HC and he's calling the plays.  He must see what is going on and understand what needs to be done.  He hasn't done it.  

 

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I understand that a lot of guys aren't playing to their potential.  The fumble by Sanders was a killer but he was averaging over 6 yards a pop again (only to be forgotten in the 2nd half).

Carson is an absolute trainwreck.  If he was holding the ball too long because no one is getting open that would be one thing.  He's looking off WIDE OPEN WR for no reason.  There are guys with 5 yards of space around them and Carson ignores them.  He's costing this team games.  He was responsible for 9 Browns points alone yesterday.  He needs to be benched.

Carson isn't playing well.  He can play better than he's played.  Benching him doesn't fix the problem with the offense because you will see the same boneheaded playcalling and poor execution.  

Just now, greend said:

We also won the super bowl once. I have zero confidence. 

I hear ya.  And even if they scored 17 in garbage time, it wouldn't make me feel any better anyway.  

1 minute ago, greend said:

We also won the super bowl once. I have zero confidence. 

Agreend

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Are you referring to the pick 6? 

I mean, he basically had max protect on the right side and Rodgers let a free rusher go right past him.  

If what Torrey Smith said is true and that route from Reagoris supposed to turn into a wheel route down the sideline, you can understand why Wentz is holding it. He thinks hes going to have some time and by the time he realizes he doesnt and tries to dump it to Sanders its too late and he gets hit.

Regardless, I dont even have the will to break this down anymore.  The team sucks, Wentz is a laughingstock at this point.  So if Eagles fans want to jump in on that, be my guest

Yeah - Carson made a bad throw but the play was covered unless he just threw it away. 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I hear ya.  And even if they scored 17 in garbage time, it wouldn't make me feel any better anyway.  

I think it will make me feel worse.