10 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Frankly, Richard Rodgers is WAY better than Alshon.   I couldn't believe that 'effort' from Alshon on that INT.  Somehow, a guy who is 6'2" mistimes his "jump" and ends up 4'10" tall by the time the ball arrives.  The ball easily floats into the DBs arms at a height of about 7'2"... and Alshon rolls away.

The timing of that jump was so incredibly bad.  What in the world was he looking at?  Then add in the fact that his jump got him maybe 6" off the ground.  Horrible all around.

The reason the likes of Graham Harrell said no thanks to being OC is clear now.  The top of the Eagles Org is not in synch and this O is something an upcoming OC will not want to go near.  You get smeared in Doug's stank with a coach who may not listen or be here long term.

Lurie may want to do a light touch on the team this offeason, but the season is turning into such a mess that he can't but avoid to make changes as the fanbase and media are turning.  We are making the Eagles accountable as they are clearly incapable of doing

This organization has lost any and all forward momentum.  It's stuck in 1st gear and being overtaken by perennially disorganised teams.  That is the barometer they should be measuring themselves on

19 minutes ago, RLC said:

Going 3-13 is fine, if there's a clear rebuilding plan. Jaguar fans (yes they exist) are fine this year, just like Dolphins fans were fine last year.

Trying to win and losing is the worst.

Frankly i felt like this was a house of cards on the verge of collapsing during the offseason. I absolutely hated their offseason. I hated the reasoning of why they didn’t want to sign a veteran FA WR and just rely on their poor drafting skills to bring in WRs. I disliked just assuming maddox and Mills would be good enough at their position. How they decided to fix the linebacker spot was a joke. Even their idiotic QB factory comment. Felt like the eagles bought into the fools gold run at the end of 2019. 

So it is less of a surprise to me that it’s gone down the drain as i don’t think even when healthy this roster is all that good. Only real surprise to me is wentz has looked this atrocious. His play is by far the biggest surprise to me. That said they looked like a 8-8/7-9team if they stayed relatively health. I tend to believe a lot of good players that are on this roster are closer to being out of their prime then in their prime and the transition from the end of this era to the next wasn’t going to go smoothly. They really have only 2 young players (rookie contract) guys i would say are known commodities and a big part of this team’s future: sanders and goedert. Outside of those two, we have some young guys but they aren’t proven yet. Still have upside but really it can go either way. 

28 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I just think from a management standpoint, if youve been dictating terms to Doug the entire time (hiring/firing his coaches and picking his players) then if you fire him outright, youve basically admitted that you as a manager have screwed up and not put him in a good position.  Maybe they do can him, but I doubt it.

I agree Doug is a huge part of the problem.  But theyre making it really hard on him.  They've emasculated him

 

And honestly, the way Doug calls games is almost like he's making sure to call every coachs favorite plays.  Like 'ok heres my play, now lets call Marty's play, and ok on this series lets go with Rich's plays...."

It leads to an incoherent, discombobulated game plan.  They don't break tendencies or even really establish tendencies (our offense has had no identity for years)... its like theyre focused on making sure they run a new play every down instead of actually scheming to use their strengths against a teams weaknesses.  This is why we have repeated targets for Greg Ward, Alshon, Rodgers, etc

Sounds like Garrett last year doesn't it?

5 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

The reason the likes of Graham Harrell said no thanks to being OC is clear now.  The top of the Eagles Org is not in synch and this O is something an upcoming OC will not want to go near.  You get smeared in Doug's stank with a coach who may not listen or be here long term.

Lurie may want to do a light touch on the team this offeason, but the season is turning into such a mess that he can't but avoid to make changes as the fanbase and media are turning.  We are making the Eagles accountable as they are clearly incapable of doing

so they need more emotional intelligence? Or just intelligence now?

5 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

He should have either resigned or demanded that his assistants be retained last year

That whole situation was a huge red flag.  What SB winning HC is treated that way?  

It showed major cracks in the organization and those have turned into gaping canyons

Mike, He would have had to resign. Any power struggle with Howie is guaranteed to be a losing proposition. Lurie will take Howie's side forever in the Eagles' post-Chip, SB winning world. NO HC can win against Howie, which is why unknown and untested HC's are being brought in. They want/need the job. It's their dream come true and they'll put up with all of the Howie power plays to live the dream...for a while anyway.

Established HC's with a successful track record, who you expect to be SB caliber, won't come to the Eagles while Howie is there. The problem is Howie isn't going anywhere, even though Lurie should unceremoniously fire him today by 4PM. 

Due to his consistently poor performance in player evaluation and acquisition, I view Howie as problem #1 and also the one problem that won't go away. 

 

6 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I don't disagree with this. However, the passing game is broken on this team and it seems like Doug doesn't know how to fix it.  He should know what he needs to do to fix the problem. He's a former OC.  He's has enough coaching experience.  He's the HC and he's calling the plays.  He must see what is going on and understand what needs to be done.  He hasn't done it.  

 

Carson isn't playing well.  He can play better than he's played.  Benching him doesn't fix the problem with the offense because you will see the same boneheaded playcalling and poor execution.  

You still get the same play calling but you get a different set of eyes looking at the WR.  One thing about Hurts is he's proven that he's a gamer.  Another thing is he'd add the running dimension.  Teams would have to account for his running and that could open things up too.  

Furthermore, keeping Carson in there is just going to continue exposing him to injuries behind shambles of an offensive line and the worse he plays the more his confidence is going to go down the drain.  We've all seen how the mental aspect of the game can wreck guys.  

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Yesterday I watched... 

Stefanski, Doug, Reigh, Lafluer, Reid and Gruden

Anyone want to pick the outlier. 

Would take stefanski and doug out. Stefanski offense managed to get just 13 points. Not exactly anything to write home about. Mayfield is as bad as Carson is right now. But they are sticking to the run game so he doesn’t make a boneheaded play. He’s holding that offense back. 

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

Yesterday I watched... 

Stefanski, Doug, Reigh, Lafluer, Reid and Gruden

Anyone want to pick the outlier. 

Who are their GM's? I think it starts there. Fix that first, and then fix the coaching issue, which is real too.

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

You still get the same play calling but you get a different set of eyes looking at the WR.  One thing about Hurts is he's proven that he's a gamer.  Another thing is he'd add the running dimension.  Teams would have to account for his running and that could open things up too.  

Furthermore, keeping Carson in there is just going to continue exposing him to injuries behind shambles of an offensive line and the worse he plays the more his confidence is going to go down the drain.  We've all seen how the mental aspect of the game can wreck guys.  

He's also proven to be a choker in big situations like getting benched in a Championship game. I strongly suspect he'll prove to be a worse QB than Wentz. Time will tell.

1 minute ago, PoconoDon said:

Who are their GM's? I think it starts there. Fix that first, and then fix the coaching issue, which is real too.

Frankly if I’m taking the GM job i want to pick my own coach. So if you fire howie likely hiring a guy who would want to bring in his own coach. 

7 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Sounds like Garrett last year doesn't it?

Maybe if Doug clapped a little more

 

But no, its pretty much the same situation, if not worse because of the horrible power dynamic and nebulous chain of command.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Frankly if I’m taking the GM job i want to pick my own coach. So if you fire howie likely hiring a guy who would want to bring in his own coach. 

Fine with me. The point is, you can't leave the biggest problem, which is Howie, in place and think the team can be fixed by just replacing the coaches. He must go first. That's all I'm saying.

10 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

You still get the same play calling but you get a different set of eyes looking at the WR.  One thing about Hurts is he's proven that he's a gamer.  Another thing is he'd add the running dimension.  Teams would have to account for his running and that could open things up too.  

Furthermore, keeping Carson in there is just going to continue exposing him to injuries behind shambles of an offensive line and the worse he plays the more his confidence is going to go down the drain.  We've all seen how the mental aspect of the game can wreck guys.  

Pretty big assumption you believe the eagles would mold the offense to what jalen hurts does well and his strengths to get the most out of him. Heck we couldn’t even call a roll out for Carson until later in the 3rd quarter. In order to have the success you want with hurts, you’d have to run an offense like Kyler Murray is running with kingsbury. You believe doug is will to do that or proven capable of doing so considering he still doesn’t play to the strengths of reagor or the personnel he has out there now? I don’t. Heck doug hasn’t even changed the package of plays hurts has run for the majority of the year. 

3 minutes ago, PoconoDon said:

Fine with me. The point is, you can't leave the biggest problem, which is Howie, in place and think the team can be fixed by just replacing the coaches. He must go first. That's all I'm saying.

Unfortunately i don’t think howie is going to be gone at the end of the season. Maybe if they lose out and lose badly to teams like dallas and Washington at the end. But still highly doubt it. 

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

After seeing/hearing things I feel that some of those picks Doug was in Howie's ear, real loud.  REAL LOUD

If the HC is not allowed to bench the starting QB for poor performance then he's not the HC, the GM is. Get that whiny little midget out of the the Eagles organization. As the GM, he and no one else is 100% responsible for the players added to the roster. He must suffer the consequences for his failures when adding substandard players. Coaches can request players but the GM makes the final call and either lives or dies as a result of the calls he makes.

That's why it's a high pressure job. Most fail within 5 years. Howie survives despite a track record that should've had him kicked out long ago. For reasons I can't understand, Jeffrey Lurie is WEAK when it comes to Howie.

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I'll keep Howie, I'll keep wentz, doug has to go

I'll also be ok with firing Howie, getting a new HC and keeping Wentz. 

 

I think the 2nd option is the way to go.  Of the 3 I find the case with Carson to be the strangest.  I'm just holding out hope that this is some strange funk he's in and he can snap out of it and return to what he was.  Howie and DP have both been exposed for issues that have been ongoing.  I don't want either of them here.  If you're going to clean house then clean house.

 

So... what can be done vs. what will be done?   That is the question.

 

Step 1 -  I strip it down to the foundations and start fresh with personnel and coaching.  2021 looks like to be lost, as the salary cap situation is a nightmare.  So, anyone I bring in is brought in with the idea that 2021 is an evaluation year.  It's not about winning in 2021, it's about determining who is and who isn't a fit.  New GM...new coach... new philosophy.

Step 2 - Cap situation.  Dump any and all vets that you can.  Pull off band-aids now as much as possible.  Desean, Alshon, Malik Jackson... all gone.  Look to trade away some others... including ( 😢  ) Brandon Graham - as he's one of the few vets that's actually tradeable from both a production and cap perspective.   Howie's empty years for a ridiculous number of players is going to come back and bite us BIG TIME.  And his idea that the cap would go indefinitely was extremely short sighted... I mean, sure it will... but how much, for how long, and do we want to have dozens of unproductive players eating up cap room long after they've retired/moved on?  Of course not.  But that's the position Howie has put us in... because he's been unable to draft worth a darn.  

Step 2a - Along the lines of cap management... older players do not get to play over young guy that are cheaper and have a potential future with the team.  Mailata sitting while JP struggles is stupid.  Even if Mailata struggles, he needs the work.  Give it to him.  Alshon taking snaps is an affront to us all.  He should have been cut before the season.  He's healthy now... no more injury settlement.. bye-bye.  Pryor sits in place of Opeta.  Opeta struggled a bit, but I want to see more of him before deciding he's cooked.  

Step 3 - Its been said that 'defense wins championships'... that's just not true anymore.  Offenses do.  And defenses just need to find a way to make one stop in one critical moment... or suck bad enough to get the ball back to the offense quickly.  So... as frustrating as the defense can be at times... they get relegated to the little table.  They get the scraps right now.  If you want to become relevant quickly, you get an offense that can score with anyone in the league.  That means you find an offensive mastermind to run things... Graham Harrell?  Joe Brady?  Both are very young, and maybe running the whole thing is a bit much, so you find them an old-salt coordinator to be a leaning post... Rod Dowhower was Andy Reid's.  It doesn't have to be anyone with a great resume... just someone who can lead men.  Give me Bill Callahan as the OC and Teryl Austin as the DC.  I'd consider others as well.  Jim Haslett for DC would work for me... another old salt with HC experience.  And he might be better than Austin from that perspective.   But, I'd make it clear, the team belongs to the fresh upstart with the creative ideas.  The role of the coordinators is to make sure the players buy in and that the upstart has the supports he needs.  And I'd clear house of ALL current assistants... except for Stoutland.  The rest would meet with the new coach/coordinators before their positions were voided or they were retained.  

 

Step 4 - Find TALENT in the draft.  Not production, but talent.  And this first year, I'd likely trade back twice in the first round and accumulate picks for 2022 if at all possible.  2021 will be a wash anyway.  Bring in a lot of UDFAs, hungry to fight for roster spots.  But, limit the picks especially with the weirdness of the college football season.  

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Unfortunately i don’t think howie is going to be gone at the end of the season. Maybe if they lose out and lose badly to teams like dallas and Washington at the end. But still highly doubt it. 

I agree. I don't think he'll be gone in the next 20 years. He's a permanent fixture at Nova Care. His total inability to identify and acquire top prospects in the draft will seriously hamstring this team as long as he's here. 2017 was nice, but there will be no more like it as long as he remains. We are going back to another multi-decade window of asking "Why can't we get players like that? They were there when we were picking!" 

 

 

Peters was dreadful, the worst game I've ever seen him play. Seumalo was terrific. Kelce was gritty. Pryor still doesn't move his feet, and Driscoll was better than Lane. In this last case it was clearly injury-related.

There is no excuse for not putting Mailata back in at one of the tackle slots, preferably at LT.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Step 2 - Cap situation.  Dump any and all vets that you can.  Pull off band-aids now as much as possible.  Desean, Alshon, Malik Jackson... all gone.  Look to trade away some others... including ( 😢  ) Brandon Graham - as he's one of the few vets that's actually tradeable from both a production and cap perspective.   Howie's empty years for a ridiculous number of players is going to come back and bite us BIG TIME.  And his idea that the cap would go indefinitely was extremely short sighted... I mean, sure it will... but how much, for how long, and do we want to have dozens of unproductive players eating up cap room long after they've retired/moved on?  Of course not.  But that's the position Howie has put us in... because he's been unable to draft worth a darn.  

Step 2a - Along the lines of cap management... older players do not get to play over young guy that are cheaper and have a potential future with the team.  Mailata sitting while JP struggles is stupid.  Even if Mailata struggles, he needs the work.  Give it to him.  Alshon taking snaps is an affront to us all.  He should have been cut before the season.  He's healthy now... no more injury settlement.. bye-bye.  Pryor sits in place of Opeta.  Opeta struggled a bit, but I want to see more of him before deciding he's cooked.  

We're not playing younger guys now, which is infuriating. Every Jason Peters snap over Mailata is an insult.

As far as benching Wentz goes...the likelihood is that he will start against the Seahawks.  If the Eagles are behind at halftime and Wentz continues to struggle, I wouldn't be surprised if we see Hurts come in.  

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

I find it hard to imagine that Wentz lost it in one off-season, he's in a funk but geez, that's some awful OL play, Peters was a turnstile, Lane was being pushed into his lap on a regular basis, Seumalo was rusty the first half but got better as the game went along, Pryor was good run blocking but showed his slow feet in pass protection. Wentz was up and down, some bad decision making, some beautiful throws with touch.

Yes, his mechanics need work, which is why they need a better QB coach and a real OC.

Pederson has to go, he was fine with a talented, veteran team that needed a light touch, but the wrong HC for a rebuild. And that's what this team must do the next couple seasons.

The biggest problem with Howie isn't drafting (every GM has his share of misses) but the attempt to recapture the 2017 magic and not being willing to admit the party is over. The team has gotten older, slower and more injury prone, but to be fair, they brought in a lot of young talent this year, but with no pre-season or exhibition games, they've been force feed for good and evil.

I just fell off my chair!