If it leads to the entire coaching staff getting canned, hey start Hurts vs Seattle

Should cleanse the fan base as well

7 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

For those harping on the offensive line, which is a fair criticism given how inconsistent it's been this season, there is also this. Wentz has statistically been just about the worst quarterback in the league this year in every scenario. 

 

 

 

Would like to know how many of these chances he actual gets compared to others for context.   But again this goes with what everyone has been harping on Doug for right media included.  Get Wentz on roll outs and on the edge.  Doug just doesn't put him in those situation which is why people are down on Doug and Doug is getting blamed. 

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Why not just quote me? It's not like I said the Oline is the only problem. There's so many problems with this team that just plugging in a new QB isn't going to magically have us win games

Because I don't read every single post in here and I don't have push alerts that let me know when Mike030270 makes a post. I saw the tweet and put it in here for anyone who was curious and/or cared. 

1 minute ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Because I don't read every single post in here and I don't have push alerts that let me know when Mike030270 makes a post. I saw the tweet and put it in here for anyone who was curious and/or cared. 

Your post was coincidentally exactly what I had just posted about. My apologies if I triggered you

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Your post was coincidentally exactly what I had just posted about. My apologies if I triggered you

Then it was a coincidence. And you were the one triggered about me not quoting you. I accept your apology though. 

41 minutes ago, Madriver said:

I think realistically we're stuck with him for 21. In that case, get rid of Doug and get a QB guru in the offseason to work with him. If he doesn't improve, can his ass for sure.

Of course the central problem is that there are soooo many issues with this team right now, from injuries to drafting to coaching staff.

But what if Doug isn't the issue? What if Wentz is? So we fire Doug and the same issues continue.

The problem here is that everything is a problem. This whole thing is a mess right now and there is no one single fix. It needs a complete reset.

6 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The real concern now is that Howie will kick the can further down the road to 2023 and beyond with restructuring some of these deals.  Some of these guys can still play...but that is overshadowed by their contracts.  ALL OF THESE CONTRACTS need to wash off the books.  All of them.  They won't have the flexibility to rebuild until that happens.

2021 is the year to rip the bandaid off. 

Also, shedding all contracts is bad. You need some veterans on the team. I'm 100% ok with young players see how Brandon Graham/Jason Kelce/Rodney McLeod prepare and practices. The rest? They can leave.

15 hours ago, ManuManu said:

No thanks. 

I like him but I'm over the "Reid" mentality coach. Plus he has control of the best offense in the NFL. I'm even not sure what he is really responsible for over there....

12 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

In Howie's defense (last time you'll hear me use those words), some of the contracts are not necessarily bad decisions, but just turned bad.  The Cox extension needed to be done, but it's officially a bad contract now.  The Wentz extension was not unreasonable, but again, that's a horrible contract now.  Lane Johnson...good decision, but we've entered the bad years and his contract is another liability.

Alshon, Malik Jackson, Brandon Brooks, Desean Jackson...yes, already Hargrave...all horrible decisions.

The real concern now is that Howie will kick the can further down the road to 2023 and beyond with restructuring some of these deals.  Some of these guys can still play...but that is overshadowed by their contracts.  ALL OF THESE CONTRACTS need to wash off the books.  All of them.  They won't have the flexibility to rebuild until that happens.

Howie has always been a questionable talent evaluator, especially when it comes to the draft, but he's always been known as managing the cap expertly. Now that he's made some of these mistakes on the contract side with Alshon, DeSean, Malik, Hargrave, and some of the others you mentioned, he's losing that badge. I don't know where that ranks him in Lurie's eyes. People keep saying to take away Roseman's player personnel duties and only let him manage the cap. But now, it's looking like he can't even do that properly anymore. 

53 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Does anyone know where I can find the Average starting field position for each team? 

Probably between the sample size and the standard deviation.

This is absolutely maddening.  I am not trying to defend Wentz, he is not playing well, but we have a coaching / personnel problem across the board.  

Agholor playing well in Oakland, Jordan Hicks playing well in Arizona, LJ Fort, could not incorporate Tate into the offense, Peters continuing to play at LT, Rasul Douglas, Justin Jefferson, I could go on and on.

This teams problems start at the top, and until GM and the coaching staff is sorted out, we can not make a full assessment of the young players on the roster.

 

 

18 minutes ago, RLC said:

For those of us who want to tank (most of us?), keeping Wentz over Hurts is the way to go. It's not going to get better. 

Frankly, I also don't want to expose Hurts to this mess.

Honestly they should try to offload Hurts this offseason, get whatever we can for him.  He serves no role here and we might be able to package some dead money with him or get some extra picks

Go Giants!

McKinney is going to be very good. He was picked at the beginning of RD2 in the 2020 NFL Draft..and us picking at the top of RD2 is why tanking is so valuable.

13 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

If doug copied Stefanski's play calls the Eagles win yesterday

Giving Carson 13 more roll outs and sticking with the run in the 2nd half is all we needed. 

I actually thought this yesterday and agree

15 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

If doug copied Stefanski's play calls the Eagles win yesterday

Giving Carson 13 more roll outs and sticking with the run in the 2nd half is all we needed. 

I mean maybe? But then we are paying Wentz to be a franchise QB, we should get more from him than roll outs and dumbing down the play book.

Just now, RLC said:

McKinney is going to be very good. He was picked at the beginning of RD2 in the 2020 NFL Draft..and us picking at the top of RD2 is way tanking is so valuable.

Tanking/Draft position can make a monumental difference.  I'm always amazed it is not mandated by owners in certain situations.  A smart owner who wanted to win and understood the long term challenges of winning and sustained success would absolutely give that order when appropriate.

Look at the Giants meaningless win over the Redskins last year.  Cost them Chase Young.  Instead, they end up drafting the worst of the 4 1st round OT's at 4th overall.  All for a completely meaningless win with a new regime coming in... could have had the once every five years game changing pass rusher instead.  But... momentum into next year!  What a farce that is.

Jets and Jaguars should be doing everything they can to lose every remaining game to get their choice of a possible franchise changing QB.  Wins for either of them right now are absolutely devastating.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Unfortunately i don’t think howie is going to be gone at the end of the season. Maybe if they lose out and lose badly to teams like dallas and Washington at the end. But still highly doubt it. 

That's the biggest argument for firing Howie is that he may be responsible for the coaching changes that didn't work.  I think Howie has problems but to this point I am not sure that he's done enough bad that he was going to get fired.  I think if Howie was behind the decision to fire Groh and Howie foisted the current hires on Doug, then that may be enough for Lurie.  Of course, firing Howie might mean more power for Doug.  

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I mean maybe? But then we are paying Wentz to be a franchise QB, we should get more from him than roll outs and dumbing down the play book.

calling plays that work for your QB is called being an effective coach. 

What I don't get is if they don't feel that Hurts is ready to start, then why are they only activating 2 QBs for game and our starter has a history of injuries?  And, if neither Sudfeld or Hurts is seen as a possible backup who can handle starting a few games, then that is an indictment of Howie and a serious one at that.   And, yet Howie says he wants a QB Factory and they don't have someone they view as capable of starting a game or two in case Wentz goes down or in case of what we are seeing right now...a QB who needs to sit for a game or two.  

4 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Wentz, on the year is now 14 for 22 with 2 touchdowns on designed roll outs

This alone is sufficient grounds to fire Doug.

Did anyone notice how often Mahomes and Carr were on the move last night?

4 minutes ago, John_C said:

Look at the Giants meaningless win over the Redskins last year.  Cost them Chase Young.  Instead, they end up drafting the worst of the 4 1st round OT's at 4th overall.  All for a completely meaningless win with a new regime coming in... could have had the once every five years game changing pass rusher instead.  But... momentum into next year!  What a farce that is.

I get what you're saying here, but at least they had a young QB they wanted to prop up. Had the Giants taken any of the other 4 OTs it would have worked out fine. For us? Momentum means nothing

The Jags/Jets have no such issue. They must get one of Lawrence/Fields. I still think the Jets win a game down the stretch. The Patriots tanking in week 17 against them would be peak Belicheck. 

you know what’s amazing with a Jalen Hurts should be starting crowd is, we have had Jalen hurts for 11 weeks now. And yet we run the same gadget plays over and over and over again. There’s no change, there’s no difference in what they’re doing when they bring him on the field. Literally it almost an identical call over and over again. To the point teams know what is coming when they trot hurts onto the field for the gadget plays. 

And yet people to seem to believe Doug and the coaching staff is magically going to craft and mold an offense to what Hurts does best and maximize his strengths in a week. So we’ve had all season to tinker and change up some of these gadget plays that hurts is running and yet we haven’t done it but when he becomes the starter our coaching staff is smart enough and going to completely change the offense to mold it to Jalen hurts. 

Meanwhile this coaching staff can’t even figure out how to Fing roll out Carson Wentz until the third quarter which is his only strength right now, it took 3 weeks and a bye week to figure out to get goedert involved in the offense, they still somehow believe peters and alshon are worth playing snaps, they still have no clue on how to fully use reagor and they grossly under use sanders week to week. But yet they are going to figure out how to adjust an entire offense that likely needs to be run similar to what Murray and the cardinals and the bills with josh Allen are running with hurts. Yes i see that transition going smoothly. 

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

So let me get this straight...

Wentz is one of the worst QB's in the league. 

It's pouring rain

It's 40 degrees 

You ran all over them in the 1st half

You only run the ball 4 times in the 2nd half 

And, supposedly they have a team of experts on offense.  Doug consults with them (or at least someone) during the game or at least for 2 point conversion decisions. Doug said he was advised to go by 2 for someone upstairs in a previous game.  So, nobody can remind him during the game, "hey, let's run the ball a little more" ?  

15 minutes ago, downundermike said:

This is absolutely maddening.  I am not trying to defend Wentz, he is not playing well, but we have a coaching / personnel problem across the board.  

Agholor playing well in Oakland, Jordan Hicks playing well in Arizona, LJ Fort, could not incorporate Tate into the offense, Peters continuing to play at LT, Rasul Douglas, Justin Jefferson, I could go on and on.

This teams problems start at the top, and until GM and the coaching staff is sorted out, we can not make a full assessment of the young players on the roster.

 

 

Thank you. Anyone who believes that the Eagles are just going to adjust their offense and play to the strength of the rookie in hurts when he goes out there is fooling themselves. you want anymore proof about the Eagles don’t know what the hell they’re doing with their personnel then go look at the gadget place hurts has run all season long. They are literally the same play over and over and over again. And it’s been 11 weeks of that besides one pass Jalen hurts had. If he can’t even change gadget plays over 11 weeks what makes you think this offense he’s gonna be able to mold it around what he does best? 

4 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

So let me get this straight...

Wentz is one of the worst QB's in the league. 

It's pouring rain

It's 40 degrees 

You ran all over them in the 1st half

You only run the ball 4 times in the 2nd half 

Emotional intelligence is much more important than is football intelligence.