Strap was matched up with Lockett last year and did "ok" in the playoff game. Lockett/Metcalf will torch whoever Slay doesn't get

52 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

They have had a Super Bowl hangover in 2019 and now 2020.   And frankly, 2018 was an ugly path to the playoffs and winning a playoff game.  

 

But, the failures of the drafts in 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020 are coming back to haunt them now.    We can blame Chip for a couple of those, but evenso, Howie was still involved heavily in '14.

2014 - Marcus Smith, Jordan Matthews, Josh Huff, Jaylen Watkins, Taylor Hart, Ed Reynolds, Beau Allen  - Only Matthews and Allen ever amounted to anything, and Matthews was still a gross disappointment (could have had Davante Adams... or even John Brown).
2015 - Nelson Agholor, Eric Rowe, Jordan Hicks, JaCorey Shepherd, Randall Evans, Brian Mihalik - Agholor was the most frustrating of these, Rowe and Hicks helped us win a Super Bowl in different ways, though neither suited up in that game.  Hicks issue was injuries, but was a good pick... the others... much less so.
2016 - Wentz, Seumalo, Smallwood, Vaitai, Countess, Mills, McAlister, Walker - this draft paid dividends in the short run, but seems to have fallen short in the long term.  Seumalo is still playing at a high level.  Vaitai was an extremely valuable backup OL, and Mills, was our most consistent CB for the last 4 years (which says everything you need to know about the CB position).
2017 - Barnett, Jones, Douglas, Hollins, Pumphrey, Gibson, Gerry, Qualls.  What a terrible draft.  Barnett is giving us something, but not what he was hyped to be.  The rest are all disappointing.  
2018 - Goedert, Maddox, Sweat, Pryor, Mailata - this would look better if Mailata found his way back on to the field... but Goedert and Sweat are the only ones making a difference on the field this year.  Decent depth players right now, but not exactly difference makers either.
2019 - Dillard, Sanders, JJAW, Miller, Thorson - lack of picks due to bad trades, lots of bad trades.  Dillard should have played LT last season, and we'd know more about him.  His injury sucks.  Sanders has all the ability in the world, but nagging injuries and fumbles are holding him back - plus a lack of touches... at least, partly due to the nagging injuries and fumbles, IMHO.  JJAW is a waste, as are the rest.  Horrific.
2020 - TBD.  

 

What a terrible mess of draft picks.  I don't think there's a team in the league (at least not one that you'd want to be associated with) that has a worse draft record during that span.   You'd think they'd have hit on a perennial Pro-Bowler just by accident somewhere in there.  Maybe someday Goedert makes it.  Maybe Wentz gets fixed.  Seumalo has a chance, but needs to get a little better still.  Sanders has the ability, but hasn't had the opportunities needed.  But, frankly, from 2014-2019... that's it.  I just don't see any of the others ever even sniffing the Pro Bowl once, let alone perennially.  And THIS is why the team is where it is.  They always need to buy to fill in holes.  That's unsustainable.  That wasn't even an option pre-salary cap with the George Allen era where he'd trade away all his picks for veterans.

Can we bring back the Turkey Hill Post of the Day?  I submit this one.

I'm on board with everyone who has issues with the coaching, GP and playcalling... I agree, it has all been poor.  But the main reason the Eagles aren't good anymore and the future looks especially bleak is because of the talent they have and don't have on the field.  Bottom of the league drafting is the main reason.  Bringing in a new set of coaches and leaving the GM and personnel people in the same roles will not fix this.  It's been awful.  I'm not expecting improvement until changes are made in the GM and personnel side.

6 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Maybe he's not.  Then put Sudfeld in.  My point is that you need to see what this offense looks like with a different QB under center when your current QB is performing among the bottom 2-3 QB's in the entire NFL.  That's how you begin to gauge if there are severe issues with the rest of the offense and/or coaching or if it's mostly a QB issue or if it's a combination of both. 

I would rather they put Duce Staley as the playcaller than change the QB.  I think you would find out more.  

 

 

It seems like the consensus is that Wentz is not magically going to turn things around down the stretch and start playing like a Pro Bowl player, or even re-create the last 4 games of last season.  It will take a full offseason to fix his issues.

The $128M question that only Lurie will answer is — who will be in charge of doing the rebuild?

12 minutes ago, greend said:

You don't "need" to make a switch to see who's fault it is that the offense stinks. That is what film is for. Coaches should be able to figure out what the problems are on offense and if they can't then guess who needs replaced? You don't blindly go from player to player trying to figure out who is at fault on offense. Completely ridiculous.

Honestly you want to see how bad the offense is at scheme and QB watch the eagles all 22. Then go watch the all 22 of cardinals, panthers, bills and saints (yesterday with hill) who are consistently finding creative ways to get the ball into the hands of their playmaker, formations you haven’t seen in years, motion offense, trick/gadget plays that aren’t the same play. I highly suggest people do that you’ll see just how bad our scheme is and Carson is as well. 

i haven’t been high on Curtis Samuel his entire career. Hats off to the panthers for figuring out ways to get the ball into his hands. I yearn for that creativity from the eagles with reagor 

4 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I would rather they put Duce Staley as the playcaller than change the QB.  I think you would find out more.  

 

 

Right? You can replace the QB and find out. Could also replace doug as the play caller and if that works you’d find out. Heck even the jets since Gase has given up play calling have actually gotten better. Last two weeks averaging 27.5 ppg. First time all year they had twenty points back to back weeks. 

5 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I would rather they put Duce Staley as the playcaller than change the QB.  I think you would find out more.  

 

 

I don't want to see Duce as a play caller. I don't want to see Press as a play caller either. I definitely don't want to see Marty. And I want to see someone else other than Doug. Only guy that could conceivably call plays is Rich and he wasn't very good at it.

The Seattle Seahawks are 32nd in the NFL for pass defense, and it's by a lot.

If Carson and Doug can't find a ton of success against this crappy defense, then bench Wentz, take play calling & game planning away from Doug, fire Howie and start the GM search, and let the new GM make the call on everything else in the off season.

That's where I'm at with this debacle.

2 minutes ago, PoconoDon said:

The Seattle Seahawks are 32nd in the NFL for pass defense, and it's by a lot.

If Carson and Doug can't find a ton of success against this crappy defense, then bench Wentz, take play calling & game planning away from Doug, fire Howie and start the GM search, and let the new GM make the call on everything else in the off season.

That's where I'm at with this debacle.

They won't.

10 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Thats my point. 

Option 1) stick with the run, as it clearly works. Your answer. Nah, lets put the back up QB in

Option 2) Start rolling a QB out who does phenomenal outside the pocket. Your answer, Nah, lets put the back up QB in

Option 3) Do better at drafting, your answer, Nah, lets put the back up in

Option 4) get an OC, nah lets put the back up in

 

 

When you avoid literally dozens of other fixes and continue to say, lets put the back up in, youre a hater. 

Never said any of those things.

There is an 'order of progression' that just about every NFL team in the history of the NFL follows.  If it was any other QB in the history of the NFL he likely would have been benched 4 weeks ago.  And you do it to see what the issues are.  If the offense looks the same then yes, you start looking at other things.  

What you don't do is automatically presume it's because 'they're not running enough' or 'they need to roll him out more'  or 'its the draft's or it's 'the coach' or anything else. 

 You have no idea what is going on behind the scenes with the playcalling, etc.  This offense is predicated on what the QB wants to do after he reads the defense and is on the line of scrimmage.  He has several options to check in or out of. 

All of those same exact things have been said about this team both in 2018 and 2019.  Yet they still managed to turn things around and make the playoffs despite all the naysayers.  

The only "hater" in this conversation is you. Your hate of Doug Pederson and Howie Rossman has been evident since you've been here   And as soon as they have proven you wrong in years past, you seem to mysteriously disappear. 

The Steelers are doing great this year so I'd imagine you have little reason to troll their boards.  I guess that's why you're back here trolling ours, lol.

35 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

For those who said he couldn’t be worse than Gerry...

Maybe Ken Flajole doesn't get enough criticism. 

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4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I don't want to see Duce as a play caller. I don't want to see Press as a play caller either. I definitely don't want to see Marty. And I want to see someone else other than Doug. Only guy that could conceivably call plays is Rich and he wasn't very good at it.

Duce is in charge of the running game and that seems effective.  I don't think Duce cares about Carson's or Doug's feelings.  He would just try to call the plays that he thinks would work.  

5 minutes ago, PoconoDon said:

The Seattle Seahawks are 32nd in the NFL for pass defense, and it's by a lot.

If Carson and Doug can't find a ton of success against this crappy defense, then bench Wentz, take play calling & game planning away from Doug, fire Howie and start the GM search, and let the new GM make the call on everything else in the off season.

That's where I'm at with this debacle.

Even if the team has success what does that show? 

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

Why not? legit question

He was under Reich/Defilip. He's seen Doug at his best and worst. 

Give Duce the last 6 weeks and see whats up

He has zero experience with passing and will give you nothing interesting or fresh there with concepts and play calling. He was passed over here as an OC at least 3 times and never draws consideration around the league to be an OC. I don't think you will ever see him be an OC. He'll be a RB coach and maybe make the jump to HC. 

I am not all on the start Hurts train, but I understand the thought behind it. What I think a lot of people are missing, is that they think those in favor of starting Hurts are under the delusion that the offense will suddenly be adjusted to his strengths. 

I don't agree with that. I think people are arguing to start Hurts with the hope that even if the offense is identical, he will be able to get the ball out quicker and see a wide open Reagor or Jeffery on an out route past the first down marker. He won't hold the ball for five minutes and in the event he needs to take off, he's much more equipped to do so.

Could be wrong.

17 minutes ago, greend said:

You don't "need" to make a switch to see who's fault it is that the offense stinks. That is what film is for. Coaches should be able to figure out what the problems are on offense and if they can't then guess who needs replaced? You don't blindly go from player to player trying to figure out who is at fault on offense. Completely ridiculous.

If your QB is performing at historically bad levels, you bench him.  That's the way it has been for close to 100 years in the NFL! 

 If the next guy performs just as bad or worse then you can begin to say, "ok let's look at the coaching and/or scheme"  

Another team that is broken.

4 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Even if the team has success what does that show? 

No much really, but if they can't, it'll show a lot.

So Opeta won the job over Herbig somehow....but JP is outplayed by Mailata and still has a job?  I don't understand DP at all.  I'm over this team.

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

He has zero experience with passing and will give you nothing interesting or fresh there with concepts and play calling. He was passed over here as an OC at least 3 times and never draws consideration around the league to be an OC. I don't think you will ever see him be an OC. He'll be a RB coach and maybe make the jump to HC. 

I don't think we know why he hasn't drawn an interest for an OC.  I do think it's hard to jump from RB coach to OC.  I think he's coordinating the only part of the offense that's working.  He doesn't need to be innovative to make this offense effective.  He just has to understand the defense and the talent of the team.  I think you are also likely undervaluing his experience coaching RBs in the passing game.  

5 minutes ago, PoconoDon said:

No much really, but if they can't, it'll show a lot.

Hurts sucks will be the refrain.  

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Duce is in charge of the running game and that seems effective.  I don't think Duce cares about Carson's or Doug's feelings.  He would just try to call the plays that he thinks would work.  

Duce is apparently in charge of the RB rotation too, and we still see weird things in that like Corey Clement getting playing time despite being awful, Miles Sanders not in the game late, etc. He would bring a run heavy scheme to the table which would be ok, until the D starts giving up points and they have to play catch up. 

The only time I know of he called plays was the East/West Shrine game of 2017 and he put up 3 points. 

1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

Doug announces Peters remains the starting LT.

This team right now can’t do anything right. Even the smallest decisions. They’ve become an abomination in every regard. They’re so full of themselves it’s embarrassing.

Maybe the plan is to get Wentz killed.

Does he still count against the cap if he's dead?

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

So Opeta won the job over Herbig somehow....but JP is outplayed by Mailata and still has a job?  I don't understand DP at all.  I'm over this team.

Herbig has a broken finger or something like that.

JP outplayed Mailata two weeks ago, but stunk the joint out against Cleveland.

9 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Those are the reasons why I want him to make play calls

Doug picked Groh over Duce(wrong decison)

Doug picked himself over Duce(wrong decision)

He also played under Reid for 8 years and has been in the offensive OC room for game plans for 8. Im pretty sure he'd be ok with a passing game plan

 

 

By the way, *IF* we had a play caller who stuck with the run I think our record is very different

It's a half measure. I'm not interested in a tweaked more of the same. I don't see Duce being some offensive genius that is going to turn the ship around. Get an actual outside the building innovative voice whose allowed to use his voice.