When's the last time we did something like this on defense against a real QB (non Luke Falk/Ben DiNucci)?

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

When's the last time we did something like this on defense against a real QB (non Luke Falk/Ben DiNucci)?

Jim doesn't like wrinkles.

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I think it’s a turtle race and I wouldn’t bet a nickel of my own money on any one of the 4 teams:

Basically this 

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

More from Caplan:

Talking to people around the league who study tape say Doug insists his WRs beat man coverage instead of scheming them open and it’s killing the passing game.

People who study the Eagles in film said their schemes and route concepts are exactly the same as last season even with new assistants. Indicates this is more on Doug because he has veto power for the offense.

Thinks it’s embarrassing with the excuses in press conferences lately and needs to show more accountability.

thinks he might just be losing the team here.

I was just wondering earlier what our "passing game coordinator" Press Taylor is doing and what kind of impact he is having. It seemed to me he is failing in both of his jobs but if he's being vetoed or overridden by Doug maybe it isn't all on him.

36 minutes ago, phil77 said:

 

We were run first in 2017 not pass first that was the point I was making.  The team and Wentz played better when we were run first offense.  

More balanced maybe but not a 'run first' offense.  A run first offense is an offense predicated around the run game.  This team has not had a run first offense under Reid or Pederson.   

8 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

More from Caplan:

Talking to people around the league who study tape say Doug insists his WRs beat man coverage instead of scheming them open and it’s killing the passing game.

People who study the Eagles in film said their schemes and route concepts are exactly the same as last season even with new assistants. Indicates this is more on Doug because he has veto power for the offense.

Thinks it’s embarrassing with the excuses in press conferences lately and needs to show more accountability.

thinks he might just be losing the team here.

So basically we don’t scheme to the personnel we have and just choose plays from the playbook and just expect them to work. Nope not try to scheme and utilize their strengths of the personnel they have. It is the same offense that cannot adapt or adjust to their personal for 3/4ths of the season over the last 3 years. if people watch all 22 of some other teams around the league then watch ours it’s mind boggling how different it looks with how they run their offense and get the ball into playmakers hands. And how creative they are pre-snap and in the design of the play to get guys open. 

38 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

18-2 when throwing 31 times or less

17-28-1 when throwing 32+ times

 

There is philosophy, and then there is also reality 

Not really.  The primary reason they have a losing record when throwing over 32 times is because they were likely behind in those games and when a team is behind, especially late in games, they need to pass in order to stop the clock, etc etc etc 

AND when a team is ahead in a game they tend to run the ball more in order to run. Down the clock, especially late in games. 

It's already been researched ad nauseum. 

5 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

More from Caplan:

Talking to people around the league who study tape say Doug insists his WRs beat man coverage instead of scheming them open and it’s killing the passing game.

People who study the Eagles in film said their schemes and route concepts are exactly the same as last season even with new assistants. Indicates this is more on Doug because he has veto power for the offense.

Thinks it’s embarrassing with the excuses in press conferences lately and needs to show more accountability.

thinks he might just be losing the team here.

I believe there’s a lot to this.  I was listening to NFL Radio and beat writers from various teams were talking how good a job the coaches are doing at getting players open and playing to their strengths.  It got me thinking about how the Eagles don’t scheme anybody open consistently and don’t have any offensive skill players exceeding expectations.

I keep coming back to the story before the season about Doug supposedly being "at the end of his rope”.  I really believe he’ll be given a choice after the season to give up the offense or see his own way out.

1 hour ago, Ace Nova said:

If your QB is performing at historically bad levels, you bench him.  That's the way it has been for close to 100 years in the NFL! 

 If the next guy performs just as bad or worse then you can begin to say, "ok let's look at the coaching and/or scheme"  

And if the whole offense is performing badly you fire the coach. That's the way it's been for 100 years. You want to pin it on 1 player, wake up it's not 1 player. If the head coach says to me "we want to bench Carson and see if he's the problem" at that exact point in time I know what the problem is and it's not the quarterback. The coach better damn well know what the problem is not start benching players left and right just to "see if it's them". These are my last words on this subject with you if you can't get the concept of what I'm saying so be it. Moving on

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

I believe there’s a lot to this.  I was listening to NFL Radio and beat writers from various teams were talking how good a job the coaches are doing at getting players open and playing to their strengths.  It got me thinking about how the Eagles don’t scheme anybody open consistently and don’t have any offensive skill players exceeding expectations.

I keep coming back to the story before the season about Doug supposedly being "at the end of his rope”.  I really believe he’ll be given a choice after the season to give up the offense or see his own way out.

Honestly they don’t. It’s been a problem for 4 of 5 years. 

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Not really.  The primary reason they have a losing record when throwing over 32 times is because they were likely behind in those games and when a team is behind, especially late in games, they need to pass in order to stop the clock, etc etc etc 

It's already been researched ad nauseum. 

I don’t know who you have doing your research for you, but it’s junk science.  The Eagles have rarely been so far behind in games over the last four years that they’ve had to abandon the run game — they’ve simply chosen to.

10 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

More from Caplan:

Talking to people around the league who study tape say Doug insists his WRs beat man coverage instead of scheming them open and it’s killing the passing game.

People who study the Eagles in film said their schemes and route concepts are exactly the same as last season even with new assistants. Indicates this is more on Doug because he has veto power for the offense.

Thinks it’s embarrassing with the excuses in press conferences lately and needs to show more accountability.

thinks he might just be losing the team here.

This one point here is what our offense struggles all come back too. Doug can’t/won’t scheme better plays. He doesn’t think there’s a problem with the plays. He has authority to overrule anyone else. Our struggles are never going to change unless either he’s gone or his role is scaled back to basically a team manager without any play design or play calling duties. 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Honestly you want to see how bad the offense is at scheme and QB watch the eagles all 22. Then go watch the all 22 of cardinals, panthers, bills and saints (yesterday with hill) who are consistently finding creative ways to get the ball into the hands of their playmaker, formations you haven’t seen in years, motion offense, trick/gadget plays that aren’t the same play. I highly suggest people do that you’ll see just how bad our scheme is and Carson is as well. 

i haven’t been high on Curtis Samuel his entire career. Hats off to the panthers for figuring out ways to get the ball into his hands. I yearn for that creativity from the eagles with reagor 

Lol I got bashed for saying this offense isn't creative in the beginning of October

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yikes that’s like a Bridgewater injury 

How much do they want for Hurts?

27 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Adam Caplan absolutely crushed the coaching. He thinks this is a 9 win team with better coaching. Not sure I agree with that, but I do agree the coaching has sucked.

He's reporting Jeff Lurie made it known within the organization that he's not happy at all with the direction the offense is heading and there will be big changes after the season if they don't turn it around. Caplan said that doesn't mean Doug is gone per se, but at the very least a new staff and probably be forced to give up play calling because Doug's insistence to call the plays is what cost them the ability to hire a top level OC. Caplan said Graham Harrell would be hire right now if Doug agreed to give up play calling.

We'd be in a bad circle if Howie isn't gone as well

3 minutes ago, metal said:

I was just wondering earlier what our "passing game coordinator" Press Taylor is doing and what kind of impact he is having. It seemed to me he is failing in both of his jobs but if he's being vetoed or overridden by Doug maybe it isn't all on him.

I think that Taylor will probably be the first coach to get fired and maybe the only one. Dave Spadaro is the official mouthpiece of the organization to fans on the website. After the game, Dave was critical of Wentz and in his article today it is titled "Carson and the offense fizzles", etc.  So, Carson's name is brought up, not just "the offense fizzles". I don't think they want to get rid of Carson though because of the money invested.  But, they are identifying QB play as the reason for the struggles. Dave isn't criticizing the playcalling. So, that means that if the organization most likely feels that QB play is the main problem, then the QB coach figures to be on the hot seat.  When the Eagles organization was getting sick of Chip, some of Dave's articles were somewhat critical of Chip and playcalling, etc. No articles criticizing Doug yet.

1 hour ago, toughfighter83 said:

i mean this team is not fun to watch, i mean in 2010 when vick came in he's running style and throwing was so much fun to watch. i mean you dont see that from wentz, hurts has that ability like vick, at least let's see how this team will play regardless of making the playoffs or not unless, they are trying to tank this season and playing hurts could hurt the draft position, that's the only other reason.

I mean idc if it's fun to watch, I mean I want to win a super bowl again, I mean Hurts sucks, I mean...............................................

29 minutes ago, RLC said:

If you want change, then root for blowouts in prime-time games. That wakes up every single owner.

WE don't have to root for them.

What makes this team even more embarrassing is that the division was given to us this year. WFT suck, the Giants suck, and Dak broke his ankle in half. All three have new head coaches in a year with a pandemic shortened offseason and no preseason! We just needed to be able to play okay football. Not that anyone wants this team to make the playoffs, of course, but it just goes to show the ineptitude. The division was literally handed to us this year, and we still couldn't take it. Ray Didinger said what I was thinking yesterday. The Browns didn't really outplay us all that much. They just knew how to play to win. Don't turn the ball over. Run the ball. Don't make the big mistakes that sway the momentum. The weather is nasty. They played that exact way. Mayfield was 12/24 passing. Kareem Hunt averaged less than a yard per carry. Nick Chubb didn't get going until the second half. We just are so inept that we beat ourselves every week.

A full rebuild is the route to go, I think. GM/HC/QB.

21 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Lol I got bashed for saying this offense isn't creative in the beginning of October

How much do they want for Hurts?

We'd be in a bad circle if Howie isn't gone as well

Not by me. I said it last year and end of last year was fools gold based on the crap they played. I’ve been on the we don’t adapt to our personnel or play to their strengths whatsoever. 

41 minutes ago, RLC said:

If you want change, then root for blowouts in prime-time games. That wakes up every single owner.

Root for your team to get blown out? Smh. 

2 hours ago, metal said:

I'm in disbelief. I don't know what he has seen from Alshon that makes him think he belongs on the field at all, let alone having him more involved in the game plan. This is borderline negligence.

Or... deliberate tanking.

39 minutes ago, RLC said:

When's the last time we did something like this on defense against a real QB (non Luke Falk/Ben DiNucci)?

Jim Johnson was the DC

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

For the record, I’m fine with Davion Taylor playing through the mistakes, but he’s going to be an absolutely liability and disaster out there. 

I'd rather he learn on the job than watch Gerry.  Gerry is maxed out at not good enough.  Maybe Taylor's athleticism offers a higher ceiling.

Just now, Casey @ Bat said:

Jim Johnson was the DC

Yep JJ would sometimes drop a DT into a slant route area as a wrinkle.

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I love how your having such a hard time with this

It's painful to see you not being able to figure it out but like a train wreck, i love watching it

Yeah, I’m being honest. I have a hard time watching my team get their asses handed to them every Sunday. Now I’m supposed to root for it?