30 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

They are not mincing words today. 

According to Michael Kist, Wentz has supposedly said things along the lines of, "I don't want to run that stuff.  That's Foles' stuff."

Michael Kist: "Well,  the stuff you want to run you stink at this year."

 

Ouch.

 

 

 

Yes yes yes more of this please !! Whoever told Carson he stinks hire that guy please !! Finally someone who isn’t wrapping their arms around his **** but instead giving him the hard truth: "You friggin stink bro” 

Saying he stinks is actually being nice but it’s a start 

6 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Yeah he just forgot it all I guess.  He used to have it upstairs and now he doesnt, no other factors at play here because "those are excuses and Im a tough football analyst guy!"

Wrong.  He never had it upstairs.  He only looked good when we had the best OL in the league giving him far more time than average to throw.  Even then he couldn't make quick reads and instead had to scramble around to buy time.  Now that his athleticism has diminished and our OL has fallen to mediocre, he's totally exposed.

Wentz not only isnt trusting his wr’s he isnt trusting his own eyes.  And the 2nd is the bigger problem.   If you trust your eyes and throw your wr open you’ve done your job.  The wr’s will adapt to  that.   But when a wr has no clue if the balls coming their way they will never build that chemistry needed.   Look at goff and  his trust in his wrs (using goff because they are same fraft class one pick apart)

then theres a whole bunch of other issues in wentz’s game right now like accuracy 

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

Nah — Doug is gone before Howie.  If he thinks Lurie would fire Howie today, then bring Doug in for a sit down to put him on notice?  That’s delusional.  Lurie already had to mandate that Doug fire some assistants — that’s already been done.

Have to remember, this is a work environment before it’s a family.  If Howie feels his job is in jeopardy, the head coach goes first.  Howie is the one that has 1-on-1 talks with Lurie, not Doug.  That’s just how business works.

I don't think Lurie would necessarily hold on to Howie over Pederson.  I think the Lurie is aware of the problems with the roster.  I think he will hold Howie accountable for those problems.  I don't he will likely think it is just a coaching issue.    

17 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I love all of these hot takes.  No one knows why Carson isnt playing well, no one can figure it out.  He just sucks, something magically happened where he used to be able to play QB now he cant, even though he routinely flashes great plays that would otherwise indicate that his ability is absolutely still there.

No, just forget that.  I need a hot take and its going to be a scorcher.  You better not make excuses, lets just assume he forgot how to play football and say he sucks and compare him to Trubisky.

Clowns

I love it when people say he was never good.  

15 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Wrong.  He never had it upstairs.  He only looked good when we had the best OL in the league giving him far more time than average to throw.  Even then he couldn't make quick reads and instead had to scramble around to buy time.  Now that his athleticism has diminished and our OL has fallen to mediocre, he's totally exposed.

Carson Wentz's time to throw actually was better in 2018 and 2019 than in 2017. https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing/2019/REG/all#average-time-to-throw  He was above average in the League both in 2018 and 2019.  It seems like maybe you are not basing your opinion on anything other than your feelings.  

31 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Wrong.  He never had it upstairs.  He only looked good when we had the best OL in the league giving him far more time than average to throw.  Even then he couldn't make quick reads and instead had to scramble around to buy time.  Now that his athleticism has diminished and our OL has fallen to mediocre, he's totally exposed.

someone needs a refresher

 

12 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Wrong.  He never had it upstairs.  He only looked good when we had the best OL in the league giving him far more time than average to throw.  Even then he couldn't make quick reads and instead had to scramble around to buy time.  Now that his athleticism has diminished and our OL has fallen to mediocre, he's totally exposed.

Thats an interesting story, so he was being carried by the OL but also had to scramble to buy time.  Do facts reflect any of this?

By the way, our OL is far from mediocre right now.  Its probably bottom 5 in the NFL

42 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

This has probably been posted but I thought it was interesting.  

 

I like see plays like this through QB eyes.  Seems Dan would have made that throw and not the check down but also understood the check down process from Wentz.  And with 8 blockers why are they getting a free rusher.  

Just now, Mike31mt said:

Thats an interesting story, so he was being carried by the OL but also had to scramble to buy time.  Do facts reflect any of this?

By the way, our OL is far from mediocre right now.  Its probably bottom 5 in the NFL

So is our QB yet you never run out of excuses for him.

The OL is made to look worse than it is because Wentz holds the ball too long.

7 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Carson Wentz's time to throw actually was better in 2018 and 2019 than in 2017. https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing/2019/REG/all#average-time-to-throw  He was above average in the League both in 2018 and 2019.  It seems like maybe you are not basing your opinion on anything other than your feelings.  

Carson Wentz has the 6th most time time to throw in 2020 by the stats you are using.  Almost 3 seconds, which is an eternity in the NFL.  Yet he's performing like a bottom 3 starting QB.

So you and your fellow apologists trying to pin the blame on the OL will have to find another excuse.  Oh yeah, it's the playcalling now lol.

8 minutes ago, greend said:

someone needs a refresher

 

That was 3 years ago and surrounded by one of the best teams of all time.  If that's the level of help that Carson needs to produce then you have some seriously unrealistic expectations.  That's what a "game manager" needs, not a so called "franchise QB".

2 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Carson Wentz has the 6th most time time to throw in 2020 by the stats you are using.  Almost 3 seconds, which is an eternity in the NFL.  Yet he's performing like a bottom 3 starting QB.

So you and your fellow apologists trying to pin the blame on the OL will have to find another excuse.  Oh yeah, it's the playcalling now lol.

You can badmouth and complain and name call all you want, but you need to apply some practicality to the situation.

Wentz's mega contract doesn't start until next season.  By design with any mega deals, the organization is on the hook for at least the first two years to that player.  $59M in dead money for 2021 and $25M+ dead money in 2022.  Like it or not (we already know you don't), the Eagles have committed to Wentz for at least 2 more years after this one.

The simple truth is the Eagles need to repair the entire offense including Wentz this offseason.  Throwing him in the trash bin is not practical and the Eagles will not do it -- nor would any other NFL team in the same situation.

16 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Carson Wentz's time to throw actually was better in 2018 and 2019 than in 2017. https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing/2019/REG/all#average-time-to-throw  He was above average in the League both in 2018 and 2019.  It seems like maybe you are not basing your opinion on anything other than your anger.  

FYP

4 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

That was 3 years ago and surrounded by one of the best teams of all time.  If that's the level of help that Carson needs to produce then you have some seriously unrealistic expectations.  That's what a "game manager" needs, not a so called "franchise QB".

 you said he was never good. Carson was far from a game manager. I will admit that this year Carson has not looked good, now you admit that he did at one time. Something else I noticed was receivers actually getting open. 

38 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

This has probably been posted but I thought it was interesting.  

It wasn't a popular post at the time, but the minute that happened, I stated it wasn't on Wentz, that he was going for the checkdown and was hit when throwing the ball. 

But some dont want to know the wheres and whys about being a QB. Some just dont have a clue, and worse, are not willing to learn.

 

The Oline and lack of NFL Starting Caliber WR's have been Carson downfall.  We all know what he can play like when he has a decent Oline and some legitimate WR's. Now we know what he plays like when he doesn't.  ANd I would suggest not many QB's will look good behind this Oline throwing to these WR's

34 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Wrong.  He never had it upstairs.  He only looked good when we had the best OL in the league giving him far more time than average to throw.  Even then he couldn't make quick reads and instead had to scramble around to buy time.  Now that his athleticism has diminished and our OL has fallen to mediocre, he's totally exposed.

Wtf? Never had it upstairs? Are you high or drunk?

Wait did someone say that in 2017 Wentz was a "game manager"  LOL  Did I see that or am I going crazy  lol

He sucked this year so he must have sucked every year even when he would have been an MVP in 2017 and set a record just last year

7 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Carson Wentz has the 6th most time time to throw in 2020 by the stats you are using.  Almost 3 seconds, which is an eternity in the NFL.  Yet he's performing like a bottom 3 starting QB.

So you and your fellow apologists trying to pin the blame on the OL will have to find another excuse.  Oh yeah, it's the playcalling now lol.

Don't change your argument now.  You indicated he never had it in the past.  That he has always taken too long to throw the football.  The stats indicate that is incorrect.  You should just admit that you were wrong as to that point.  He was above average over the last 2 seasons in terms of making a decision.   

He's not doing that this season.  He is playing poorly.  Even the example of the pick 6 where Orlovsky is excusing Wentz, I think it's clear he should have attempted the throw to Reagor.  I keep thinking about the 4th and 3 play against Dallas where he has Ward coming open in the space the LB left to rush him.  It seems like that should have been his first read and he should have made that read at the snap.  His play has clearly been a problem this season.  I think criticizing him for his play this season is fair game. There is no one posting here that thinks he is playing well. 

You're argument that he was never good is just not correct.  It makes you look foolish.  

Just now, Mike030270 said:

He sucked this year so he must have sucked every year even when he would have been an MVP in 2017 and set a record just last year

It's just anger, stupidity, or desperately wanting to justify why either you never liked the pick or why you wanted the Eagles to keep Foles. Or it could just plain be hate I guess 

 

Greg Ward LOL

Im 56 years old, I have been a Eagle fan a long long time.  I've been down the road of the QB carousel when you dont have a legit Franchise guy. Franchise QB's are too hard to find. SOme teams try for decades to find them. We dont throw away Wentz because he struggles when the Oline is in shambles and his WR's are A rookie, a 2nd year player who was cut from 2 teams this season, and a converted QB who was a practice squad guy with less than a full season of starts. 

You can win with Wentz, he has enough of the talents and attributes to be the franchise guy. We saw it for a few years, and now we see what he looks like without a viable Oline or starting WR's. 

IN case one wants to overlook the facts, I will lay them out. 9 Different starting Oline Combinations in 10 games in a ROW. Our 10th starting combo will be on Monday night. It is unprecedented. It has NEVER happened before not even in a strike season. 

For those that dont know, you need to develop continuity along the Oline in order to have success. Each man must know what he is doing on each play and also must know what the guys around him are supposed to do, and know their habits, strengths and weaknesses to be effective. Blocking schemes are too complex. 

 

 

It's being way too lazy and requires erasing all memories of his previous Seasons to believe Wentz's issues are his only, and that he IS the problem. 

 

No he isn't the problem his play is the end result of the problem.  

 

 

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, greend said:

It's just anger, stupidity, or desperately wanting to justify why either you never liked the pick or why you wanted the Eagles to keep Foles. Or it could just plain be hate I guess 

It’s trolling 

15 minutes ago, phil77 said:

Wait did someone say that in 2017 Wentz was a "game manager"  LOL  Did I see that or am I going crazy  lol

No you didn't so I guess you are going crazy.  I suggest remedial English classes with a strong focus on "reading comprehension".