Who the F cares what a rookie wide receiver thinks? Who's next the peanut vendor? 

1 minute ago, greend said:

There are plenty of black starting quarterbacks in the league if a reporter does bring it up he's an idiot.

Get ready for some idiots.

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Eagles went from a top 5 offense in 2017(with Reich

Eagles were middle of the pack in 2018(with out reich)

 

Lots of variables when looking at overall offensive stats...injuries for example, etc

For example, Reich had the 5th ranked scoring offense in his first year with the Colts.  Then 16th last year and 10th so far this year. 

3 hours ago, greend said:

We also have Jags at corner wide receiver and running back. This team doesn't value good players at any position.

You really don’t need to stop with only those positions.

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

Get ready for some idiots.

Been battling them all day in here so what's the difference?

18 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

My general agreement with him is that Wentz benefitted from the 2017 team being so dominant more than people realize. A lot of QBs would have had similar success. 

It absolutely can.

That’s fine. I’m willing to say the eagles caught complete lightning in a bottle cause before that year and since they’ve been around average football team and benefitted from circumstance of an awful division and Kirk cousins being Kirk cousins.

To me i watch the rams with Jared Goff who i think is a slightly above average QB have sustainable success. meanwhile his coach is always moving the pocket and trying to play to his strengths and his teams strengths. He moves the pocket and he also gets him outside the pocket to limit his decision making as he’s not likely to throw back to the other side of the field. Watching their all 22 with the motion they have, moving Goff’s pocket and playing to the strengths of kupp and woods.

Yet i sit here it’s not just Carson we don’t play to our strengths of nearly any of our personnel. Then we have things like opeta starting when it’s clear he’s not strong enough yet. And we have to deal with the lunacy of peters and alshon out there. Reagor has not run more than 1-2 crossing routes since the Dallas game 3 games ago. These are coaching things. 

carson sucks. He has been slightly above average to average for most of the last 2 years prior to this. He’s not off the hook. His mechanics are wildly inconsistent and making poor decisions with the ball. He needs to open his eyes and realize he’s part of the problem. He’s been inconsistent since 2017  

that said it’s definitely both he and doug. It’s not one or the other like people seeming on here think. Again i don’t see Doug magically adapting his offense to hurts if he goes out there. We’ve had 11 weeks to change up gadget plays with hurts and we haven’t. I think hurts needs an offense like Murray or josh Allen to thrive. Our coaches haven’t proven to be that creative even before this season. We barely run motion  

6 minutes ago, greend said:

Been battling them all day in here so what's the difference?

In all honesty, I just don't like that we even have to question that it's a possibility.  I don't want to go too much further into it because it would be a CVON conversation but the media/social media have used racism as an argument for almost everything anymore that it's bound to come up.  

(136) Texas Tech Linebacker Has Hit Of The Year Against Baylor - YouTube

I wish we could get a hit like this now and then.

8 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I'm not saying that's the reason.  I'm saying look at the climate we live in.  You don't think someone in the media isn't going to bring that up?  I'd put money on it.  It's pathetic and like I said I hate that my mind even goes down that road but that's where we are right now.

 

Your mind shouldn't go there. 

The reason some people would like to see Hurts get a chance has nothing to do with race and has everything to do with the fact that Carson Wentz:

- Has a 73.3 QB Rating

-  48 QBR

- 21 turnovers

- 58% Completion %

- And the Eagles are 3-6-1.

That's why.  No other reason.  Had he not been crowned the franchise QB and given 130 mil guaranteed, he likely would have already been benched by now, regardless of his skin tone or the skin tone of the backup QB. 

 

6 hours ago, Bacarty2 said:

Doug threw the ball 40 times against the best pass defense in the league against the Redskins, while the run was working. BA would never(thats 1 win)

doug fubard that Bengals game from top to bottom, including playing for a 50+ yards field to win. Thats win #2) 

Doug ran out of 2 point conversion plays (something BA would never do)

Thats 3 wins, easy, off the top of my head

Why the Bruce Arians kick today? Wtf has that **** ever done to make you think we’d be battling for a high seed? He has arguably the best QB ever;  and he’s 7-4 (with a little better talent at WR may I add). You think he has us rolling with arguably the worst QB of all time (according to some QB Whisperers on this Board)?

@Arsenal79 question for you.  Let's say for the sake of argument the Eagles bench Wentz at half time Monday night, and then Hurts comes in, takes multiple sacks, turns the ball over, and looks the same or worse than Wentz.  Who would be to blame ??

Just now, downundermike said:

@Arsenal79 question for you.  Let's say for the sake of argument the Eagles bench Wentz at half time Monday night, and then Hurts comes in, takes multiple sacks, turns the ball over, and looks the same or worse than Wentz.  Who would be to blame ??

Mcnabb 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

That’s fine. I’m willing to say the eagles caught complete lightning in a bottle cause before that year and since they’ve been around average football team and benefitted from circumstance of an awful division and Kirk cousins being Kirk cousins.

To me i watch the rams with Jared Goff who i think is a slightly above average QB have sustainable success. meanwhile his coach is always moving the pocket and trying to play to his strengths and his teams strengths. He moves the pocket and he also gets him outside the pocket to limit his decision making as he’s not likely to throw back to the other side of the field. Watching their all 22 with the motion they have, moving Goff’s pocket and playing to the strengths of kupp and woods.

Yet i sit here it’s not just Carson we don’t play to our strengths of nearly any of our personnel. Then we have things like opeta starting when it’s clear he’s not strong enough yet. And we have to deal with the lunacy of peters and alshon out there. Reagor has not run more than 1-2 crossing routes since the Dallas game 3 games ago. These are coaching things. 

carson sucks. He has been slightly above average to average for most of the last 2 years prior to this. He’s not off the hook. His mechanics are wildly inconsistent and making poor decisions with the ball. He needs to open his eyes and realize he’s part of the problem.

that said it’s definitely both he and doug. It’s not one or the other like people seeming on here think. Again i don’t see Doug magically adapting his offense to hurts if he goes out there. We’ve had 11 weeks to change up gadget plays with hurts and we haven’t. I think hurts needs an offense like Murray or josh Allen to thrive. Our coaches haven’t proven to be that creative even before this season. We barely run motion  

A lot of things came together perfectly in 2017.

Since, we lost two very important offensive coaches. Injuries have hurt and high-priced players haven't performed to the level of their contract. Not enough young talent was brought in since as well, of course.

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

 

And why does it always go to Hurts. Why not Sudfeld? 

Hurts is currently the #2 QB on the team.  Sudfeld is the #3. 

2 minutes ago, Casey @ Bat said:

Why the Bruce Arians kick today? Wtf has that **** ever done to make you think we’d be battling for a high seed? He has arguably the best QB ever;  and he’s 7-4 (with a little better talent at WR may I add). You think he has us rolling with arguably the worst QB of all time (according to some QB Whisperers on this Board)?

Bruce Arians having Brady keep firing deep balls last night was an awful coaching decision. He was 1-9 on passes over 15+. At this stage of his career he’s not capable of consistently being his best playing that way. Meanwhile mcvay had next to no running game and found ways to make Goff good enough to win that game and score 27. I thought last night Arians was out coached by mcvay. 

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Using 2018 and 2019 Routes

The defense knows whats coming

Ran out of 2 point conversion plays. 

One of the lowest in rushing attempts

And why does it always go to Hurts. Why not Sudfeld? 

Tom Brady isnt a top 10 QB. Depending on how much you want to argue, probably closer to 15

I’ll argue this - Bruce Arians (who appears to be trying out for Back to the Future V) is doing a **** job with the talent he has in Tampa. Totally, out schemed/game planned last night.

A great example of horrible play calling, horrible O line play, just horrible everything around Carson Wentz.

 

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

@Arsenal79 question for you.  Let's say for the sake of argument the Eagles bench Wentz at half time Monday night, and then Hurts comes in, takes multiple sacks, turns the ball over, and looks the same or worse than Wentz.  Who would be to blame ??

If that happens, then yes, everyone can start looking at scheme, coaching, playcalling, etc.  Like I've been saying, benching Wentz could end up helping him and/or the team in the long run. 

At the very least, it could take some pressure off of Wentz, etc.

 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Bruce Arians having Brady keep firing deep balls last night was an awful coaching decision. He was 1-9 on passes over 15+. At this stage of his career he’s not capable of consistently being his best playing that way. Meanwhile mcvay had next to no running game and found ways to make Goff good enough to win that game and score 27. I thought last night Arians was out coached by mcvay. 

I concur. Apparently he’d have us rolling if he was Coaching the Eagles I learned today. 

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

Hurts is the 2 for the gadget plays and to not dress 3 QBs. 

We have no idea who'd get the starting job tomorrow if Wentz went down, especially since dougs been on record that Hurts doesnt have a full knowledge of the system or the play book 

If Pederson wants to start Sudfeld that's ok too.  Nothing changes, tbh.  Wentz would get a break and we would get a better understanding of what's really going on with the offense. 

53 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

And here it is....

 

 

 

Funny- this attitudes shows up the minute Alshon starts playing again. 

What do I know though? 

2 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

A lot of things came together perfectly in 2017.

Since, we lost two very important offensive coaches. Injuries have hurt and high-priced players haven't performed to the level of their contract. Not enough young talent was brought in since as well, of course.

Oh i don’t disagree on any of that. I think the eagles have also had some bad fortune with injuries. Howie has done a poor job with draft picks and his FA signings have really be underwhelming. Schwartz has managed to see his defense regress year to year. And he apparently has some say in personnel. It’s really an underachievement from howie to doug to Carson to Schwartz. I’d ask since 2018 what player has actually gotten better or has become a star/good player here? Goedert and sanders. That’s really about it. 

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

 

So what happens if The Bench Wentz, but then Doug calls the game correctly. you know sticking with the run game. Roll outs, sprint outs, etc. 

 

Take a break bud, you've been on here too long.  

2 hours ago, SNOORDA said:

Wentz not only isnt trusting his wr’s he isnt trusting his own eyes.  And the 2nd is the bigger problem.   If you trust your eyes and throw your wr open you’ve done your job.  The wr’s will adapt to  that.   But when a wr has no clue if the balls coming their way they will never build that chemistry needed.   Look at goff and  his trust in his wrs (using goff because they are same fraft class one pick apart)

then theres a whole bunch of other issues in wentz’s game right now like accuracy 

So... looking at Orlovsky's breakdowns. Play #1 - Wentz could have but didn't throw back shoulder to Reagor.  Wentz's fault.   Play #2 - Only throw is to back shoulder to Ward.  He throws, Ward keeps running - Wentz' fault. 

 

This team is broken.  Get new coaches, new personnel people and coach the players up to all be on the same page, because right now, they just aren't.  And when they aren't, the guy with the ball in his hands the most takes the most heat, because that's what he's paid for.   But, its not 'right' to bash Wentz as the biggest problem when we have 10 other guys on the field screwing up right along with him.  His LT has an unhealthy control of this entire organization and played worse than any LT in this team's history since Winston Justice against Osi Umenyora.   His RB takes them down the field on the first drive, and just gives up the ball on a soft fumble inside the 5.  The defense then allows them to drive the full length of the field and would have surrendered a TD, had Mayfield not booted it twice, once he was bailed out with a DPI.  His coach keeps calling for flanker screens to Ward which pretty much maxes out as a 1-2 yard gain.  etc. etc. etc.    But, by all means, let's focus on Wentz and make it all about his failings.   Not anyone else... including a WR that is being thrown out there and literally falls down as the ball is coming his way, doing his best Nelson Agholor 2016 impersonation... leading to a pick.    Wentz hasn't been good, but he's been given little to no help from his coaches, his teammates (offensive, defensive and ST) and his personnel people.

Wentz can bounce back, I believe, but not until he's got better coaches around him.  Not Marty, Not Doug, Not Press... a true innovator.  

2 hours ago, NCiggles said:

I don't think Lurie would necessarily hold on to Howie over Pederson.  I think the Lurie is aware of the problems with the roster.  I think he will hold Howie accountable for those problems.  I don't he will likely think it is just a coaching issue.    

Th salary cap issue is on the guy giving out contracts and picking players that get cut while still cheap, forcing them to sign free agents to fill out the roster year after year.