10 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Man, you really need to look in thee mirror and self scout why you feel society has gone where you think.  I think a team that started Vick and Cunningham has shown that it is beyond that racist tripe 

Pretty sure he means the opposite.  That the Eagles would be pressured to start Hurts because he's black and Wentz is white.  Smh.

14 hours ago, Casey @ Bat said:

It’s turning out the Cornerback picks weren’t wasted ... Darby good in Buffalo, good in Washington. Jones good in Jacksonville, Douglas at least competent and now .... Maddox stinks. 

For all the grief Doug gets and most of it is justified, Generic Jim really can’t get anyone to shine on Defense. I don’t think it’s a coincidence.

It highlights the the disconnection between the FO, Scouts and Football side of the organisation.  No one seems to have a plan or talk to each other. Let's trade for Darby but then given him a coach who can't the best out of him

Moving on, the NJ.com article kind of just highlights the mess this franchise has become.

7 hours ago, austinfan said:

They are not going to give up on Wentz b/c of one bad season, it's not like he didn't have 3 great seasons before this year.

It's easy to say get rid of him, but what makes you think the Eagles can land even an top 20 QB to replace him.

Hurts was drafted as a backup, even if he's ready to start next season, who knows if he's good enough to be the starter.

You want the next Bradford?

3 great seasons before this year???

Yikes.

10 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Skimmed through. In typical Bacarty fashion, he used only the snippets from Caplan that fit his narrative that everything is on Doug. 

Caplan’s same sources who called Doug’s offense stale and unimaginative also said Wentz is just playing poorly. His mechanics are bad and he doesn’t throw with any anticipation. He holds the ball too long waiting for receivers to break open kinda like McNabb. 

Piecing together various viewpoints from Caplan, Cosell, Duffy, etc...

* Doug is relying too much on receivers winning 1 on 1 with iso routes and they aren’t doing it, particularly early in the route. He needs better route combinations to scheme open receivers.

* Wentz’s mechanics are bad and he isn’t trusting what he’s seeing. He’s become gun shy. 

* The revolving door at OL and WR doesn’t help. Reagor has missed a lot of time and just isn’t nuanced in any way. The OL is a revolving door week to week and snap to snap. How many configurations did we have on Sunday alone?

* None of the RBs can pick up a blitz. 

I think this is all pretty accurate.  Of course you know how I feel about the "mechanics" argument and how I think thats overrated in todays game....

But, one play that sticks out to me as an example is when Carson threw that comeback route to Fulgham.  Fulgham either hesitated or lost his footing or just didnt drive back to the ball hard enough and it was almost another pick.  Something like that happens and how could anyone not hesitate next time around?

I think Carson needs some positive feedback on those anticipation throws before he feels comfortable unloading it like that again.  He clearly doesnt trust the offense to work or the WRs to win.

Honestly, from this point on I think the best he can do is just dink and dunk and just hope for the best. 

Hes caught between taking the "layups" as you and others like to call them and waiting for big plays to happen.  He has seemingly tried and failed at both, but holding onto the ball has resulted in him getting nearly 100% of the public blame for the Eagles struggles and no one is going to continue to do that

Carson Wentz's regression isn't some unsolved mystery. The guy was never the same after his knee injury. And he wasn't the most accurate passer even in his "would be" MVP season. But he could extend pretty much every play and allow his receivers enough time to uncover and get wide open.

Seriously, go watch his off-script highlights from 2017. The guy was twice as fast and agile as he is now. Nearly all of his exceptionally came from those plays. He was, for all intents and purposes, Russell Wilson. He was a threat on every play with a roster around him to rival any other in the NFL.

And now, for the past few years, all of the talent and coaching that would be his support structure are eroding around him. Without those physical gifts he had coming into the league, Wentz is just a strong armed, sub-par QB. He's not good enough to win without being a constant threat to defenses of escaping. He can't overcome the deficiencies of an aging roster and hack coach the way he probably could have in 2017.

That's it. There's no debate to be had. This is who he is now. Yeah, it's terrible to have to admit. We were set for at least a decade. Wentz was probably going to be the best QB in the league. But we need to embrace the reality that it was taken from us and move on to the next chapter.

5 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I think this is all pretty accurate.  Of course you know how I feel about the "mechanics" argument and how I think thats overrated in todays game....

But, one play that sticks out to me as an example is when Carson threw that comeback route to Fulgham.  Fulgham either hesitated or lost his footing or just didnt drive back to the ball hard enough and it was almost another pick.  Something like that happens and how could anyone not hesitate next time around?

I think Carson needs some positive feedback on those anticipation throws before he feels comfortable unloading it like that again.  He clearly doesnt trust the offense to work or the WRs to win.

Honestly, from this point on I think the best he can do is just dink and dunk and just hope for the best. 

Hes caught between taking the "layups" as you and others like to call them and waiting for big plays to happen.  He has seemingly tried and failed at both, but holding onto the ball has resulted in him getting nearly 100% of the public blame for the Eagles struggles and no one is going to continue to do that

The thing I'd say with Carson and his mechanics (sounds like a band name) is the amount of throws that sail from touch passes to longer throws.  It's more apparent when you watch other games and see other QBs not struggle as much

16 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Woodson needs to wait his turn... next year.  Allen has waited long enough.

FWIW I think Woodson is the best all around football player of all time. Allen should be in too though. 

9 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

This is starting to make sense. Carson didn’t totally abandon meat but he’s eating more greens aka plant based sausage. 

Very interesting.  I point to our forward facing eyes, our front teeth and canines.   We are designed to eat meat. 

27 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Man, you really need to look in thee mirror and self scout why you feel society has gone where you think.  I think a team that started Vick and Cunningham has shown that it is beyond that racist tripe 

It appears you missed the point. That conversation has already begun.

I've seen comments about his race, christianity, marital status and now his diet. Which all are BTW Bullsheet

17 hours ago, Allhaildawk said:

I want the mastermind of the, or one of the two most creative offenses.  

Lol, Andy Reid isn't coming back here bro. 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Interesting read. Also sounds like Pederson coaches Wentz harder than Taylor, among other nuggets. Worth a click.

The most interesting thing about it is: 

According to a person with knowledge of the Eagles’ plans, head coach Doug Pederson and his offensive assistants have tried to design plays to create at least one open receiver immediately after the snap and have encouraged Wentz to throw to that receiver for several reasons: ...

 

But the Eagles, 3-6-1, are discovering defensive coordinators aren’t stupid. They see how Pederson is trying to prop up his quarterback and often are taking away that first receiver while also stunting and blitzing to put pressure on Wentz, 

 

So essentially, Pederson and the OCs are trying and failing at making this easier. 

15 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

Carson Wentz's regression isn't some unsolved mystery. The guy was never the same after his knee injury. And he wasn't the most accurate passer even in his "would be" MVP season. But he could extend pretty much every play and allow his receivers enough time to uncover and get wide open.

Seriously, go watch his off-script highlights from 2017. The guy was twice as fast and agile as he is now. Nearly all of his exceptionally came from those plays. He was, for all intents and purposes, Russell Wilson. He was a threat on every play with a roster around him to rival any other in the NFL.

And now, for the past few years, all of the talent and coaching that would be his support structure are eroding around him. Without those physical gifts he had coming into the league, Wentz is just a strong armed, sub-par QB. He's not good enough to win without being a constant threat to defenses of escaping. He can't overcome the deficiencies of an aging roster and hack coach the way he probably could have in 2017.

That's it. There's no debate to be had. This is who he is now. Yeah, it's terrible to have to admit. We were set for at least a decade. Wentz was probably going to be the best QB in the league. But we need to embrace the reality that it was taken from us and move on to the next chapter.

I agree the knee changed him physically, but there's a lot more to it than just the physical side.

He has been lost mentally for a while. 

His freak athleticism hid most of those deficiencies the first couple of years, now they couldn't be more obvious.

As a pure QB, he simply doesn't process information fast enough on the field.

8 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

The most interesting thing about it is: 

According to a person with knowledge of the Eagles’ plans, head coach Doug Pederson and his offensive assistants have tried to design plays to create at least one open receiver immediately after the snap and have encouraged Wentz to throw to that receiver for several reasons: ...

 

But the Eagles, 3-6-1, are discovering defensive coordinators aren’t stupid. They see how Pederson is trying to prop up his quarterback and often are taking away that first receiver while also stunting and blitzing to put pressure on Wentz, 

 

So essentially, Pederson and the OCs are trying and failing at making this easier. 

Dumbing things down for a 5th year QB in a league filled with professionals is ALWAYS going to be losing proposition. That isn't a Pederson problem. It's a "the QB isn't able to process an NFL offense" problem.

13 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Very interesting.  I point to our forward facing eyes, our front teeth and canines.   We are designed to eat meat. 

I think this is an unlikely explanation. 

1 minute ago, Parrot Head said:

I agree the knee changed him physically, but there's a lot more to it than just the physical side.

He has been lost mentally for a while. 

His freak athleticism hid most of those deficiencies the first couple of years, now they couldn't be more obvious.

As a pure QB, he simply doesn't process information fast enough on the field.

What I'm saying is he probably was never the most cerebral QB. But you don't need to be when your legs can buy the extra 2-3 seconds it takes you to process information that other QB's could process more quickly.

And you see that A LOT with mobile QB's. Their whole life has been spent being the best athlete on the field. Their high school and college coaches never drilled the mental side into them because they didn't need to. And when their mobility/novelty goes, either by way of injury or father time, they don't find much success after that.

2 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

Dumbing things down for a 5th year QB in a league filled with professionals is ALWAYS going to be losing proposition.

What I thought was interesting was how ineffective they are at dumbing things down.  I mean they essentially said they try to give him an easy first read but that read is easily taken away.  

22 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

The thing I'd say with Carson and his mechanics (sounds like a band name) is the amount of throws that sail from touch passes to longer throws.  It's more apparent when you watch other games and see other QBs not struggle as much

To me "mechanics" is the go-to explanation for just simply missing throws

Look at Mahomes, his mechanics often suck.  He throws no-look passes, sidearm passes, etc.  Things any pee wee coach would kill him for.

Are there times when Wentz' mechanics truly fail and the ball comes out poorly?  Sure.

But for the most part when you watch NFL games Wentz does not stand out as inaccurate.  In fact the Eagles have been bailed out this year by huge misses from Mayfield and Daniel Jones and others on wide open passes.

Tom Brady flatout cant throw a reliable downfield pass this year and he has tons of weapons.  Are his mechanics bad?

My biggest concern is far and away his discomfort in the offense.  He needs to be the expert at the offense and clearly hes not.  From there on the conversation gets more complex as to why that is

 

7 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

What I thought was interesting was how ineffective they are at dumbing things down.  I mean they essentially said they try to give him an easy first read but that read is easily taken away.  

I'm sure there's some offensive coordinator or offensive guru out there that could do this and still make it difficult on defenses for a time but I think, after watching the last 3 years without Frank Reich, we know Doug Pederson isn't inventive enough to do this on his own.

And this is why the Eagles can't win games. Their QB is trash mode. Their coach is trash mode. Their defense is trash mode. The personnel department is trash mode. Literally every unit in this organization can't get right.

18 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

The most interesting thing about it is: 

According to a person with knowledge of the Eagles’ plans, head coach Doug Pederson and his offensive assistants have tried to design plays to create at least one open receiver immediately after the snap and have encouraged Wentz to throw to that receiver for several reasons: ...

 

But the Eagles, 3-6-1, are discovering defensive coordinators aren’t stupid. They see how Pederson is trying to prop up his quarterback and often are taking away that first receiver while also stunting and blitzing to put pressure on Wentz, 

 

So essentially, Pederson and the OCs are trying and failing at making this easier. 

I generally discount anything attributed to a nameless person.

3 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

What I'm saying is he probably was never the most cerebral QB. But you don't need to be when your legs can buy the extra 2-3 seconds it takes you to process information that other QB's could process more quickly.

And you see that A LOT with mobile QB's. Their whole life has been spent being the best athlete on the field. Their high school and college coaches never drilled the mental side into them because they didn't need to. And when their mobility/novelty goes, either by way of injury or father time, they don't find much success after that.

The problem with this narrative is that this year is his worst year in terms of time to throw.  He was better in 2018 and 2019.  Both 2018 and 2019 were better than 2017. It's not his athletic ability that has changed.  What has changed is the OC.  It's clear the offense is not run well.  I am not saying that Wentz isn't part of the problem but I just don't think the narrative about his athletic ability holds up to scrutiny.  

I mean look at this break down from Dan Orlovsky on this play:

This incompletion is on Ward. Ward did not read the defender.  Wentz did.  Wentz made a good throw to the right spot and made the right read.  Now Ward was the issue. Did Ward not understand what he was supposed to do? Is the problem with the WR coaching? Is it a problem with Ward not reacting to the defender? Is it a problem because the OC does not communicate to the receivers or the receiver coaches what they should be doing?  

I think there's a lot of issues with the team.  I think some of it comes down to Wentz.  I think a lot more comes down to coaching.  I think a well coached team makes this play.  

We saw what it looks like when Wentz just takes easy throws and runs Dougs dumbed-down offense.

It was the 2nd Giants game, and it wasnt pretty

It would be one thing if we had dynamic players to throw to that a defense would actually fear, but we have a rookie in Reagor and Boston Scott.  I dont even include Miles Sanders because he isnt a consistent receiver yet.

No one else on the team would even concern me with the ball in their hands.  At all. 

And the Eagles are dedicating plays to get Greg Ward in space, so who cares?  Im sure DCs laugh at that when scouting us

4 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

I generally discount anything attributed to a nameless person.

I mean I think it's probably true.  

51 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I don’t think Schefter is saying anything that isn’t already understood by all of us. We know there will be changes, it’s just a matter of how sweeping those changes will be. 

At least Schefter and most of us believe there will be changes. Wouldn't be the first time that we were wrong though.

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

Funny listening to Farzetta bash Wentz and have orlovsky tell him he has no idea WTF he's talking about. 

Farzetta "I would of done this with Wentz " orlovsky, well thats dumb because 1 play would do this and you'd win the game. Farzetta "o"

"Farzetta " Wentz gave up X amount of points " orlovsky "no, that was on this, this was on that, it's a team game" Farzetta "o"

 

Cant stand Farzetta.

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

"dumbing things down" happens every week on every team. 

They literally talk about giving the QB easy throws in the begining of the game to get the QB into a grove. They have millions of anologies that every talking head, and OC uses week in week out. What do you think they mean when they say "getting back to the basics" "doing what works"

 

You think Lafluer makes Rodgers run complicated, long developing plays each and every play lol 

I don't think that happens much with franchise QB's outside of maybe the the beginning of a game to get an offense going and into a rhythm.

What this looks like is Pederson having to give an obvious "throw it to this guy" on every play because Wentz isn't understanding what he's seeing from a defense pre-snap and isn't making good decision post-snap.