1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

We are >$65m over the cap next year...that's as is.  

The Wentz/Lane Johnson/Brooks/Cox contracts....those deals will make the 2021 cap situation worse than it already is if they were to get out.  

The Alshon/Desean/Malik Jackson contracts...those deals will only save money to help get under the 2021 cap if they unload millions against 2022.  If you eat all the dead money for 2021, then you gain zero ground of the $65m we need to account for.

 

We can't even cut players to get under the cap next year.  It just needs to be offloaded against 2022, 2023, and 2024.

Here are the easily identifiable cap savings next year:

Cut Alshon: $8M savings in 2021

Cut DeSean: $5M savings in 2021

Trade Cox: $3M savings in 2021

Trade Ertz: $5M savings in 2021

Trade Hargrave: $5M savings in 2021

Trade Slay: $6M savings in 2021

Cut/trade Goodwin: $5M savings in 2021

So yeah, we're in massive trouble as that's only $37M of savings.  Can't take all the medicine in 2021 due to Howie's terrible deals.  So we'll be paying the price for many years to come.

 

1 minute ago, greend said:

Well, I guess one would hope that there is more to the story. Would it surprise you if there wasn't?

Yeah, I'd be a little surprised. Nothing Wentz did in 2018 or 2019 suggested to me that he was "the guy." The fumbles, erratic accuracy, inconsistency, lack of improvement were all there. 

But I could not have imagined he would ever be this bad.

Wentz straight up refused to answer a question the other day about the concussion in the Seattle playoff game. He's had the past injuries all the way from his high school days. He has a family now and enough money to last him the rest of his life. There has been very subtle speciation that he's injured again this year. And, yes, the Hurts pick was just too weird to not have a back story.

Just now, greend said:

Meh, there will be 10,000 sacks and 10,000 angry posters that Carson holds the ball too long. Next week rinse and repeat. Eventually we won't have to worry about Doug benching Carson because he'll be dead.

At this point, Wentz is just a nice, expensive high end fridge that was burnt and broken in a house fire.  The fire started somewhere else, but the fridge is still toast.  It's silly to talk about defending and saving the fridge for the new house you need to build.

Leave the fridge in the house and just get the demolition company on the phone.

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I previously agreed completely, but after looking up the numbers, Lane is untradeable.

He's on the books for $17.85m next year.  Trade him during the offseason and his number (for us) balloons to $29.4m....so of the untold millions of cap space we need to clear, we'd be losing another ~11.6m by trading him.  Trade him after 6/1 and you get the full >$17m hit we'd have had if we just kept him...and the cherry on top for us would be $21.3m of dead cap in 2022.

If we want the cap savings to > the dead cap, he can't be traded until 2025.  He's going to have prosthetic limbs by then.  Just outstanding cap work Howie.  Truly outstanding.

Ugh you're right.  We're stuck with Lane for YEARS to come.  Thanks Howie!

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I previously agreed completely, but after looking up the numbers, Lane is untradeable.

He's on the books for $17.85m next year.  Trade him during the offseason and his number (for us) balloons to $29.4m....so of the untold millions of cap space we need to clear, we'd be losing another ~11.6m by trading him.  Trade him after 6/1 and you get the full >$17m hit we'd have had if we just kept him...and the cherry on top for us would be $21.3m of dead cap in 2022.

If we want the cap savings to > the dead cap, he can't be traded until 2025.  He's going to have prosthetic limbs by then.  Just outstanding cap work Howie.  Truly outstanding.

I bet Brooks is pretty bad to move him as well

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

I bet Brooks is pretty bad to move him as well

Correct.  Anyone I didn't mention in my post above basically cannot be moved next year without taking a massive cap hit.  Considering how cap squeezed we are already in 2021 there's no chance of it happening.

6 minutes ago, RLC said:

 

They're going to have to reschedule Baltimore's Thursday game against Dallas too then.

2 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Here are the easily identifiable cap savings next year:

Cut Alshon: $8M savings in 2021

Cut DeSean: $5M savings in 2021

Trade Cox: $3M savings in 2021

Trade Ertz: $5M savings in 2021

Trade Hargrave: $5M savings in 2021

Trade Slay: $6M savings in 2021

Cut/trade Goodwin: $5M savings in 2021

So yeah, we're in massive trouble as that's only $37M of savings.  Can't take all the medicine in 2021 due to Howie's terrible deals.  So we'll be paying the price for many years to come.

 

 

Cox is actually the best one.  We have enormous 2021 dead cap, but still save a few million AND clear him off the books for 2022.  That saves $23.8m of 2022 cap.

Now, NO team is going to line up to pay Cox nearly $24m in 2022.  But they have to look at it as us paying his 2021 salary and they pick up the bill for 2022.  Under that lens, you might get something.

 

 

1 minute ago, schuy7 said:

They're going to have to reschedule Baltimore's Thursday game against Dallas too then.

It was only a matter of time before a cascade happened

Just now, Asg 15 said:

Or anyone else

Well, yeah, that's not false. He should be seeing Dunlap the most as he tends to line up at their left DE spot, although they do move him around on the line a bit as well.

If I were Lurie, I would tell Howie (or any new GM candidate), that they need a detailed plan, on paper, to clear the team of these toxic contracts within 2-3 years.

Imagine if we had not drafted all busts and needed to extend guys right now?

At some point in this rebuild, presumably, we are going to draft keepers.  And all of this dead money is going to need to clear before we can extend quality players and supplement them with studs in FA.  

7 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Correct.  Anyone I didn't mention in my post above basically cannot be moved next year without taking a massive cap hit.  Considering how cap squeezed we are already in 2021 there's no chance of it happening.

You missed Barnett 

10 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

At this point, Wentz is just a nice, expensive high end fridge that was burnt and broken in a house fire.  The fire started somewhere else, but the fridge is still toast.  It's silly to talk about defending and saving the fridge for the new house you need to build.

Leave the fridge in the house and just get the demolition company on the phone.

I'm holding out hope since I still have to pay for the fridge and I like Carson. But I'm not as stubborn about it as I was.

Let's just get through the next 3 weeks, end the regular season early, quarantine everyone at home for the balance of the cancelled regular season, and then put the players in a playoff bubble.  

That would slide the Eagles into a nice 3-9-1 high draft pick.

Just now, eagle45 said:

If I were Lurie, I would tell Howie (or any new GM candidate), that they need a detailed plan, on paper, to clear the team of these toxic contracts within 2-3 years.

Imagine if we had not drafted all busts and needed to extend guys right now?

At some point in this rebuild, presumably, we are going to draft keepers.  And all of this dead money is going to need to clear before we can extend quality players and supplement them with studs in FA.  

There's basically no way to clear all the bad money before 2022.  It will take 2 years at least, and to pack that much pain into those 2 years, the team will be atrocious with hundreds of millions in dead cap clogging the books.

Including this season, we're in for AT LEAST 3 years of being absolutely terrible.  It's mind boggling how badly Howie has bungled the cap for a team this atrocious.

Just now, greend said:

I'm holding out hope since I still have to pay for the fridge and I like Carson. But I'm not as stubborn about it as I was.

I liked the fridge too.  And I'm not blaming the house fire on the fridge.

But I sure as hell am not bothering to carry it out of the house and fix it...I'd rather go pick out a new kitchen.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

You missed Barnett 

Good catch.  Cut/trade Barnett = $10M cap savings in 2021.

Just now, eagle45 said:

I liked the fridge too.  And I'm not blaming the house fire on the fridge.

But I sure as hell am not bothering to carry it out of the house and fix it...I'd rather go pick out a new kitchen.

You forgot the "still have to pay for the fridge" part

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Let's just get through the next 3 weeks, end the regular season early, quarantine everyone at home for the balance of the cancelled regular season, and then put the players in a playoff bubble.  

That would slide the Eagles into a nice 3-9-1 high draft pick.

No way.  The longer the season goes the better our pick will get.  We're not winning another game.

1 minute ago, Arsenal79 said:

There's basically no way to clear all the bad money before 2022.  It will take 2 years at least, and to pack that much pain into those 2 years, the team will be atrocious with hundreds of millions in dead cap clogging the books.

Including this season, we're in for AT LEAST 3 years of being absolutely terrible.  It's mind boggling how badly Howie has bungled the cap for a team this atrocious.

If we can get it out after 2022, that's probably OK.

It's going to take 3 years of high draft position to rebuild anyway.  The goal with cap space is to be able to pick up a young stud in FA when it can help put the team over the top...and to be able to extend our successful draft picks.  So the silver lining here is that we are about 3 years away from being ready to do any of that anyway.  We have no draft picks to extend and no FA band-aids are changing anything for this team.  

So 2021 and 2022 cap hell...are irrelevant to us.

But the goal is to somehow not kick it beyond those years. 

17 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Here are the easily identifiable cap savings next year:

Cut Alshon: $8M savings in 2021

Cut DeSean: $5M savings in 2021

Trade Ertz: $5M savings in 2021

Cut/trade Goodwin: $5M savings in 2021

So yeah, we're in massive trouble as that's only $37M of savings.  Can't take all the medicine in 2021 due to Howie's terrible deals.  So we'll be paying the price for many years to come.

 

I see only those happening. No one will take that Cox contract on

3 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

No way.  The longer the season goes the better our pick will get.  We're not winning another game.

Naw. We'll beat the Cowpies and screw ourselves.

2 minutes ago, greend said:

You forgot the "still have to pay for the fridge" part

He’s also forgetting that he doesn’t live in an igloo, which means there is also a substantial capital expenditure for a new fridge — which will also get torched, because his shiny new house still has the same electrical and foundation issues.

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

He’s also forgetting that he doesn’t live in an igloo, which means there is also a substantial capital expenditure for a new fridge — which will also get torched, because his shiny new house still has the same electrical and foundation issues.

Man he has a bad contractor 

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

If we can get it out after 2022, that's probably OK.

It's going to take 3 years of high draft position to rebuild anyway.  The goal with cap space is to be able to pick up a young stud in FA when it can help put the team over the top...and to be able to extend our successful draft picks.  So the silver lining here is that we are about 3 years away from being ready to do any of that anyway.  We have no draft picks to extend and no FA band-aids are changing anything for this team.  

So 2021 and 2022 cap hell...are irrelevant to us.

But the goal is to somehow not kick it beyond those years. 

Yeah this needs to be the plan.  Swallow ALL the poison in 2021 and 2022 so we're totally clear for 2023 and beyond.  Will make the team painfully awful those 2 years, but there's no other option.  Silver lining is 3 years in a row of high picks (20-22) means the team can make a big jump back to contention in 2023.

Time for the Eagles to #TrustTheProcess!