1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

If he’s getting fired he should just get fired now. Doesn’t make much sense to wait until the end of the year. Deadline to redo contracts for 2020 is coming up soon, I think that will be a good indicator of his job safety. It wouldn’t make sense to let him do even more restructures if he’s just getting fired in a few weeks.

Hard to say. These are things that in all likelihood have to be done anyway, and they can’t hire his replacement in time to do it either. So if they fired Howie, would they not redo any deals to clear space?

All eyes on Lurie now, he let it get this bad, he needs to fix it. Imagine what one more year of Howie would do to this organization it would be crippling. Could you imagine him bombing one more draft?

Things are bleak now. It might take 2-3 years to turn this thing around, even in the NFL where rebuilding is quick. If Howie stays and bombs another draft, bump that to 4-5 years for a turnaround.

2 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

The multiple O-Line combos is certainly not ideal but there’s no way do I think it has much or anything at all to do with how pathetic Wentz has played. There’s no excuse to win 3 out of 10 games. 

It’s everything. It comes down to how you want to divvy it up. 

30 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Given the choice, I'd say Howie needs to go before Doug if it had to be one or the other. 

Doug seems clueless most of the time, especially lately, but if Howie truly is running the show and won't listen to Doug or even Jim as it pertains to defensive players, he needs to get far away from this team.

I'm fine with that.  Seems Doug is working with one hand tied behind his back to a certain extent.  Bring in a new GM, and give them a year to evaluate Doug.  But, regardless, Doug needs a dedicated OC... He needs a Frank Reich type.

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Hard to say. These are things that in all likelihood have to be done anyway, and they can’t hire his replacement in time to do it either. So if they fired Howie, would they not redo any deals to clear space?

They would, but in 2021, and for guys the new GM wants to keep. They shouldn’t be allowing the current GM to extend or sign anyone that locks them up in future years if it’s clear the current GM is getting fired. You wouldn’t want to make the future GMs job harder to clean up the mess Howie left.

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm fine with that.  Seems Doug is working with one hand tied behind his back to a certain extent.  Bring in a new GM, and give them a year to evaluate Doug.  But, regardless, Doug needs a dedicated OC... He needs a Frank Reich type.

If a new GM comes in, the writing is on the wall for Doug.  Virtually no chance he lasts more than 1 year before getting fired.  A new GM will likely take the bitter medicine to try to fix the cap, which means the team on the field will be terrible.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm fine with that.  Seems Doug is working with one hand tied behind his back to a certain extent.  Bring in a new GM, and give them a year to evaluate Doug.  But, regardless, Doug needs a dedicated OC... He needs a Frank Reich type.

Im ok with that as long as Doug is not the OC. However I think Doug by his press confs, the way hes presenting himself lately that he is getting very pissed at being told what to do. Even though it is best for the team for him to get a dedicated OC he wont and I think that could be the straw that breaks the camels back with him being the HC going forward. At least Wentz has shown what he can do when Frank was a large role of the offense with game planning/scripting and landed the number 1 offense in the league. Where under Doug fully in control of the offense in 16,18,19 and now 20 he has not shown us much of anything and Wentz is up and down. people keep saying we made the playoffs in 18,19 but yes by luck of a bad div and teams losing at the right time. With us having the out on Wentz in 2022 we need to see what he can do with a real OC in 2021. If its Doug as the HC but giving up the OC role, fine. If he refuses to give up the role then he has to go. Easier to fine a better coach then Doug then finding a good QB. Only way to find out is giving Wentz that chance with another OC like Frank. If he still doesnt improve then we move on from him and the rebuild is in full effect. 

2 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

If a new GM comes in, the writing is on the wall for Doug.  Virtually no chance he lasts more than 1 year before getting fired.  A new GM will likely take the bitter medicine to try to fix the cap, which means the team on the field will be terrible.

Agreed. But, if the players that go on the field improve and show growth, an argument could be made that Doug was a victim of his circumstances since 2017.  If they start terrible and remain terrible, then Doug does nothing.

18 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

All eyes on Lurie now, he let it get this bad, he needs to fix it. Imagine what one more year of Howie would do to this organization it would be crippling. Could you imagine him bombing one more draft?

Things are bleak now. It might take 2-3 years to turn this thing around, even in the NFL where rebuilding is quick. If Howie stays and bombs another draft, bump that to 4-5 years for a turnaround.

It's never that bad.

I do agree that Howie needs to go.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

They would, but in 2021, and for guys the new GM wants to keep. They shouldn’t be allowing the current GM to extend or sign anyone that locks them up in future years if it’s clear the current GM is getting fired. You wouldn’t want to make the future GMs job harder to clean up the mess Howie left.

Understood. Lurie has to clear those restructures, so he could let Howie finish the year while not making any of those moves. 

6 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

If a new GM comes in, the writing is on the wall for Doug.  Virtually no chance he lasts more than 1 year before getting fired.  A new GM will likely take the bitter medicine to try to fix the cap, which means the team on the field will be terrible.

Sure, but you can be a team that’s well coached while lacking talent. GMs have to be smarter than looking solely at wins and losses. 

1 minute ago, RLC said:

It's never that bad.

I do agree that Howie needs to go.

I'm talking about becoming a contender again, and frankly, I think 2-3 years is generous. That assumes we hire the right coach and GM(if they're fired). If we don't, we could be stuck toward the bottom for a while.

I'm not sure people have come to terms with just how bad things are. We have no QB, we have no coach, we have no GM. The cap situation is a disaster. The QB is being paid a ton to be one of the 3 worst in the league. We have very little elite young talent. Our best players on the lines are old.

Things are not gonna be bright with this team for quite a while, I don't think. Especially when you look at our roster compared to the rest of the NFC and how so many teams have young and promising rosters now.

Gun to my head for all the marbles, if I had to bet everything that the Eagles win or don't win one playoff game in the next 3 seasons I'd bet we don't without any hesitation.

Just now, ManuManu said:

Sure, but you can be a team that’s well coached while lacking talent. GMs have to be smarter than looking solely at wins and losses. 

It's not gonna happen.  Any new GM will want his own guys.  Worst case he'll just give Doug a year then can him no matter what, unless Doug miraculously turns this mess into a playoff team.  Of that, there's virtually zero chance.

I watch and read a lot about the NFL. I don’t believe this is a real player. 

Just now, Arsenal79 said:

It's not gonna happen.  Any new GM will want his own guys.  Worst case he'll just give Doug a year then can him no matter what, unless Doug miraculously turns this mess into a playoff team.  Of that, there's virtually zero chance.

Most of the time, sure. They also want to win, so if over the course of a year they see Doug is a helluva coach, they’ll keep him. 

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

It's never that bad.

I do agree that Howie needs to go.

I just dont see Howie getting flat out fired. He fills the role of the GM but he is not titled a "GM" Its possible Howie has incriminating pictures of Lurie. 

I think if anything happens with that role it will more be Lurie and Howie hiring a GM to take over those roles for Howie or someone to be a consultant similar to Joe Douglas was for us. 

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Sure, but you can be a team that’s well coached while lacking talent. GMs have to be smarter than looking solely at wins and losses. 

yup

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I watch and read a lot about the NFL. I don’t believe this is a real player. 

He made a bunch of plays in the Colts/Titans TNF game. That was the first time he caught my eye.

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Most of the time, sure. They also want to win, so if over the course of a year they see Doug is a helluva coach, they’ll keep him. 

yup.   The reason that most GMs want their own guys, its because they have faith in their own guys, more than the guys they are inheriting.  However, if the guy you inherit proves himself worthy of his position, any GM worth his salt will reevaluate his initial impressions.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

yup.   The reason that most GMs want their own guys, its because they have faith in their own guys, more than the guys they are inheriting.  However, if the guy you inherit proves himself worthy of his position, any GM worth his salt will reevaluate his initial impressions.

Doug also happens to have a SB ring, so it’s not like he’s Doug Marrone. 

 

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

yup.   The reason that most GMs want their own guys, its because they have faith in their own guys, more than the guys they are inheriting.  However, if the guy you inherit proves himself worthy of his position, any GM worth his salt will reevaluate his initial impressions.

In the end no GM here has ever hired or fired the Coach under Lurie being the owner. Lurie is the one and only person who makes that final decision in Philly. He made that pretty clear the year before he let Reid go in his end of year press conf. I dont think who the GM is will matter on if Doug stays or goes. 

I remember saying at the time Howie was moved back to GM that I wanted him gone because I was sick of the power struggles and drama behind the scenes. I’m glad they kept him because 2017 Howie was on a heater that led to a SB. Not only that, but he was smart as hell for how he was able to move up for Wentz. But now the drama’s back (at least for us to see), and the results just haven’t been good enough.

In 2018 and 2019, I think the coaching staff was able to make due with some bad injuries and minimal impact in FA and the draft. This year everything has cratered. The one real constant in all of this is Howie not pulling his weight. 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

As the weeks go by it’s becoming more and more clear Howie is getting fired after this year. We have little quality young players, the cap is a disaster, we have too much money devoted to older players and we don’t have extra draft picks to help replenish an aging, overpaid roster.

Even if I agreed with a lot of the process he used over the past three years, at some point the results are too much to ignore. Hardly anything of consequence has worked out for Roseman since the SB. 

Im still a Howie believer and would like to see another year of him unquestionably running the draft before we grade him on it.

But with the teams performance, and the cap situation its really a sensible time to move on and let the new GM figure out how he wants to clean up the cap situation and move forward from there. 

 

15 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I watch and read a lot about the NFL. I don’t believe this is a real player. 

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