4 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

In the end no GM here has ever hired or fired the Coach under Lurie being the owner. Lurie is the one and only person who makes that final decision in Philly. He made that pretty clear the year before he let Reid go in his end of year press conf. I dont think who the GM is will matter on if Doug stays or goes. 

I don’t think it’s quite as black and white as that. The GM will have a lot of say, but, yes, Lurie has final say. 

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

Im still a Howie believer and would like to see another year of him unquestionably running the draft before we grade him on it.

But with the teams performance, and the cap situation its really a sensible time to move on and let the new GM figure out how he wants to clean up the cap situation and move forward from there. 

 

If he is making game day roster decisions, he needs to go.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Im still a Howie believer and would like to see another year of him unquestionably running the draft before we grade him on it.

But with the teams performance, and the cap situation its really a sensible time to move on and let the new GM figure out how he wants to clean up the cap situation and move forward from there. 

 

What is there to believe in? What is he done well since 2018 that would lead you to continue believing in him?

He had this draft and stupidly took a backup QB and a linebacker everyone knew couldn’t possibly play in 2020. Even if it works out, that’s awful process. 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

As the weeks go by it’s becoming more and more clear Howie is getting fired after this year. We have little quality young players, the cap is a disaster, we have too much money devoted to older players and we don’t have extra draft picks to help replenish an aging, overpaid roster.

Even if I agreed with a lot of the process he used over the past three years, at some point the results are too much to ignore. Hardly anything of consequence has worked out for Roseman since the SB. 

I'm so glad that others have come to the realization. I just hope Lurie has too

36 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

If Doug is fired/relieved/resigns and Howie stays, it would be hard for me to root for this team in 2021.

If Howie isn't gone then I may take a break

32 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

It’s everything. It comes down to how you want to divvy it up. 

Some people think it's just making an excuse for how crappy Wentz is. It's one of the excuses but it sets everything up on offense.

 

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

What is there to believe in? What is he done well since 2018 that would lead you to continue believing in him?

He had this draft and stupidly took a backup QB and a linebacker everyone knew couldn’t possibly play in 2020. Even if it works out, that’s awful process. 

He really hasnt had anything work out for him since the super bowl. But I still blame all draft choices for the Joe Douglas years on Douglas.

I dont mind the Hurts pick because with our cap situation it makes perfect sense. And its early to grade him on the rest of the draft. But Im excited about Driscoll, and Reagor. Wallace has potential if they ever let him play.... It could be a good one. 

His struggle has been free agency lately. And the cap situation thats been created. But to get to this point, we enjoyed years of flexibility and optionality. Many good signings, many great trades... We kicked the can down the road but it got us a super bowl which people seem to forget is the ultimate goal. So, it was worth it. 

 

Just now, Mike030270 said:

I'm so glad that others have come to the realization. I just hope Lurie has too

If Howie isn't gone then I may take a break

Some people think it's just making an excuse for how crappy Wentz is. It's one of the excuses but it sets everything up on offense.

 

Wentz has been bad and has made some absolutely brain dead decisions that are completely removed from outside factors. 

Buuuut...

Doug has been so bad over the past few weeks and all season it seems he’s struggled with situational playcalling. 

The WRs again let him down quite often by running bad routes, poor tracking and drops.

The OL has been in shambles all year due to injuries and stubbornness. 

It all matters a great deal, and it all contributes to what looks like a rudderless offense. 

10 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Im still a Howie believer and would like to see another year of him unquestionably running the draft before we grade him on it.

But with the teams performance, and the cap situation its really a sensible time to move on and let the new GM figure out how he wants to clean up the cap situation and move forward from there. 

 

Sorry.  He's been highly questionable in his handling of contracts and the roster, he doesn't need to be unquestioned in anything... and frankly, maybe that's the issue.

 

7 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

He really hasnt had anything work out for him since the super bowl. But I still blame all draft choices for the Joe Douglas years on Douglas.

I dont mind the Hurts pick because with our cap situation it makes perfect sense. And its early to grade him on the rest of the draft. But Im excited about Driscoll, and Reagor. Wallace has potential if they ever let him play.... It could be a good one. 

His struggle has been free agency lately. And the cap situation thats been created. But to get to this point, we enjoyed years of flexibility and optionality. Many good signings, many great trades... We kicked the can down the road but it got us a super bowl which people seem to forget is the ultimate goal. So, it was worth it. 

 

That he created.

 

Also some highly questionable trades since 2018 - 3rd round pick for Golden Tate.  4th for Avery.  6th for Desean.  Just a litany of one bad decision compounding the next.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

He really hasnt had anything work out for him since the super bowl. But I still blame all draft choices for the Joe Douglas years on Douglas.

I dont mind the Hurts pick because with our cap situation it makes perfect sense. And its early to grade him on the rest of the draft. But Im excited about Driscoll, and Reagor. Wallace has potential if they ever let him play.... It could be a good one. 

His struggle has been free agency lately. And the cap situation thats been created. But to get to this point, we enjoyed years of flexibility and optionality. We kicked the can down the road but it got us a super bowl which people seem to forget is the ultimate goal. So, it was worth it. 

 

Lol, our cap is so bad because of Howie, and for some reason you allow that to be an excuse for drafting a second-round QB. That’s wild. 

And we aren’t in this cap situation because of Super Bowl LII. We’re in it because of everything that followed.

Howie gave bad contracts to DeSean, Alshon, Malik, McLeod, restructured Lane and Cox to the point that we have no optionality with them. He wanted to extend Ertz, which would have been another disaster. He extended Brooks a year too early and following major injury. He or Lurie caved on Peters. He signed a third high-priced DT. We haven’t had a single good LB on the team in two years. Mills failed at safety and is a waste of $5M. He traded a 4 for Avery. 

I do agree it’s too early to judge the 2020 draft class, but not the process that led to it. 

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Sorry.  He's been highly questionable in his handling of contracts and the roster, he doesn't need to be unquestioned in anything... and frankly, maybe that's the issue.

He kicked the can down the road to win a super bowl. I think his downfall is trying to hold on too long, and try to stretch it another year, and another year...  when he probably shoulda hit the reset button the next season, or 2019 at the latest. 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Lol, our cap is so bad because of Howie, and for some reason you allow that to be an excuse for drafting a second-round QB. That’s wild. 

And we aren’t in this cap situation because of Super Bowl LII. We’re in it because of everything that followed.

Howie gave bad contracts to DeSean, Alshon, Malik, McLeod, restructured Lane and Cox to the point that we have no optionality with them. He wanted to extend Ertz, which would have been another disaster. He extended Brooks a year too early and following major injury. He or Lurie caved on Peters. He signed a third high-priced DT. We haven’t had a single good LB on the team in two years. Mills failed at safety and is a waste of $5M. He traded a 4 for Avery. 

I do agree it’s too early to judge the 2020 draft class, but not the process that led to it. 

the blog now grades the process following the superbowl with hindsight of seeing what a dump the team has become. In the moment, Howie was making those moves just 1-2 years removed from winning a super bowl probably thinking he would bolster the roster, and reload for another one. And, if we are honest, you cant really blame him for feeling that way. Who knew how much worse we would look already the very next season?

 

The first obviously bad move was the Golden Tate trade and ironically everyone in here criticized me for criticizing it on the night of the deadline. At that point he began making decisions on desperation rather than careful calculation. 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

He kicked the can down the road to win a super bowl. I think his downfall is trying to hold on too long, and try to stretch it another year, and another year...  when he probably shoulda hit the reset button the next season, or 2019 at the latest. 

That’s exactly what I’m saying. And that put us in a huge mess. He kicked the can and missed badly on the contracts. Not one of them looks OK. 

10 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

What is there to believe in? What is he done well since 2018 that would lead you to continue believing in him?

He had this draft and stupidly took a backup QB and a linebacker everyone knew couldn’t possibly play in 2020. Even if it works out, that’s awful process. 

I am so sick of reading this --- DOUG was JUBILANT over the pick - like a kid on Christmas morning that just opened his big box and it was exactly what he wanted. Yes - Howie has final say and he could tell Doug - No! But then you would be ripping him for "who the hell is he to tell the HC No!". You've clearly made up your mind about Howie and there is plenty - plenty to legitimately criticize him for - please stop blaming him for everything.

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

the blog now grades the process following the superbowl with hindsight of seeing what a dump the team has become. In the moment, Howie was making those moves just 1-2 years removed from winning a super bowl probably thinking he would bolster the roster, and reload for another one. And, if we are honest, you cant really blame him for feeling that way. Who knew how much worse we would look already the very next season?

Sure, but the fact is we’re now a mess and he failed in every aspect of being a GM since 2017. Three years of results can’t be ignored. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

That’s exactly what I’m saying. And that put us in a huge mess. He kicked the can and missed badly on the contracts. Not one of them looks OK. 

I know. As I said, because of the cap situation its a sensible time to move on so the next GM can decide how he wants to fix it. 

Hopefully Lurie follows suit of the Lions.

One of the bigger issues too is, with our situation, we likely won't be the top choice of any top coach or GM candidate. There are more attractive destinations than the Eagles right now.

So if it does come to that, gotta hope Lurie either pays more or they just want to come to a stable organization over one with better talent.

1 minute ago, Nivraga said:

I am so sick of reading this --- DOUG was JUBILANT over the pick - like a kid on Christmas morning that just opened his big box and it was exactly what he wanted. Yes - Howie has final say and he could tell Doug - No! But then you would be ripping him for "who the hell is he to tell the HC No!". You've clearly made up your mind about Howie and there is plenty - plenty to legitimately criticize him for - please stop blaming him for everything.

Doug can’t even pick his coaching staff, but we should believe that he railroaded Howie into that pick?

I say this a lot: owners fire GMs/coaches when they get blown out in prime-time games.

If we get blown out by Seattle, I can legitimately see changes.

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

I say this a lot: owners fire GMs/coaches when they get blown out in prime-time games.

If we get blown out by Seattle, I can legitimately see changes.

Most owners probably would.  Lurie will wait till the season's over.

Just now, ManuManu said:

Doug can’t even pick his coaching staff, but we should believe that he railroaded Howie into that pick?

He didn't need to railroad him - all he had to do is ask. Doug WAS NOT throwing stuff and having a fire Howie tantrum - and if he was just playing nice because what else is he going to do then he needs to quit coaching and take up acting. They didn't trade up for Hurts but Doug's reaction was such that the only conclusion is that there was a conversation about what would the pick would be if Hurts was there. AND we assume that the coach firings were over Doug's wishes - and it's reasonable - but still an assumption. BUT if Howie is going to choose Doug's coaches the least he could do is facilitate acquisition of the players he asks for. 

Oh and thanks for proving my point - Mike Groh was a disaster of an OC - he needed to go - Doug wanted to keep him - Howie said NO!  Cue the criticism.

11 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Curious if they have Bieniemy as their target. Would he go to Lions? I doubt it

6 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

I am so sick of reading this --- DOUG was JUBILANT over the pick - like a kid on Christmas morning that just opened his big box and it was exactly what he wanted. Yes - Howie has final say and he could tell Doug - No! But then you would be ripping him for "who the hell is he to tell the HC No!". You've clearly made up your mind about Howie and there is plenty - plenty to legitimately criticize him for - please stop blaming him for everything.

 You're saying it was Doug's pick and you're basing it on how happy he was over the pick?

2 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Most owners probably would.  Lurie will wait till the season's over.

He fired Chip before the season ended, but I think that was personal. 

It's become more and more apparent with each year that 2017 was just the greatest one year wonder in the history of planet earth. On one hand, it's depressing, because I and I'm sure everyone else truly thought that was the start of something great. On the other hand, after years of Philly sports misery and especially Eagles misery, we finally had that one year where literally every single thing went right except the injuries. But even then, we were able to win a Fing Super Bowl with a backup QB, and a **** one at that.

It will go down as one of the most unlikely occurrences in the history of sports.

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Curious if they have Bieniemy as their target. Would he go to Lions? I doubt it

 You're saying it was Doug's pick and you're basing it on how happy he was over the pick?

Do you honestly think Howie is making draft picks in a vacuum - he alone without any input or conversation with anyone - seriously?????