1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

He fired Chip before the season ended, but I think that was personal. 

This was the most shocking thing of the Lurie era IMO. I was more surprised by that than signing Vick, hiring Castillo as DC, trading up for Wentz, etc.

How much did Lurie hate Chip Kelly?

28 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Im still a Howie believer and would like to see another year of him unquestionably running the draft before we grade him on it.

But with the teams performance, and the cap situation its really a sensible time to move on and let the new GM figure out how he wants to clean up the cap situation and move forward from there. 

 

Man, I respect a lot of your input on here but what in the world has Howie done lately to make you still a believer?  Even if he hasn't been running the show 100% he's had his fingerprints on this team for years.  I just don't see it with him and if the reports are true that he has a say on who dresses on Sunday then he's gotta go.

Detroit just fired their GM and Patricia.  I think the Lions would beat the Eagles this year.  

I'd rather give DP one more year if he gives up play calling but Howie has had his chance at drafting.  He's had his chance at FA.  He was known as a cap genius but he is 100% responsible for the mess we are about to see the next few years.  Howie Roseman is problem #1.

1 minute ago, RLC said:

This was the most shocking thing of the Lurie era IMO. I was more surprised by that than signing Vick, hiring Castillo as DC, trading up for Wentz, etc.

How much did Lurie hate Chip Kelly?

Don’t ever skip the Christmas party 

1 minute ago, Nivraga said:

He didn't need to railroad him - all he had to do is ask. Doug WAS NOT throwing stuff and having a fire Howie tantrum - and if he was just playing nice because what else is he going to do then he needs to quit coaching and take up acting. They didn't trade up for Hurts but Doug's reaction was such that the only conclusion is that there was a conversation about what would the pick would be if Hurts was there. AND we assume that the coach firings were over Doug's wishes - and it's reasonable - but still an assumption. BUT if Howie is going to choose Doug's coaches the least he could do is facilitate acquisition of the players he asks for. 

Oh and thanks for proving my point - Mike Groh was a disaster of an OC - he needed to go - Doug wanted to keep him - Howie said NO!  Cue the criticism.

If Groh was a disaster, what is this current mess of an offense constructed by coaches who apparently don’t fit — as ordered from above Doug?

And Howie has final say on the draft, so I don’t give a S if Doug wanted Hurts. It was a nonsensical pick from the beginning. You don’t spend a 2 on a backup QB and tinker toy. 

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

This was the most shocking thing of the Lurie era IMO. I was more surprised by that than signing Vick, hiring Castillo as DC, trading up for Wentz, etc.

How much did Lurie hate Chip Kelly?

Nothing will ever shock me more than hiring Castillo. Vick, Hurts and Kolb are in contention for second place. 

20 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Lol, our cap is so bad because of Howie, and for some reason you allow that to be an excuse for drafting a second-round QB. That’s wild. 

And we aren’t in this cap situation because of Super Bowl LII. We’re in it because of everything that followed.

Howie gave bad contracts to DeSean, Alshon, Malik, McLeod, restructured Lane and Cox to the point that we have no optionality with them. He wanted to extend Ertz, which would have been another disaster. He extended Brooks a year too early and following major injury. He or Lurie caved on Peters. He signed a third high-priced DT. We haven’t had a single good LB on the team in two years. Mills failed at safety and is a waste of $5M. He traded a 4 for Avery. 

I do agree it’s too early to judge the 2020 draft class, but not the process that led to it. 

Yup.  100%.

21 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

He kicked the can down the road to win a super bowl. I think his downfall is trying to hold on too long, and try to stretch it another year, and another year...  when he probably shoulda hit the reset button the next season, or 2019 at the latest. 

He kicked the can further down the road since the Super Bowl.  And has made a ton of really bad decisions, in the draft, in free agency and in giving extensions.   Sorry, Howie dug this hole that he's in now.

19 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Doug can’t even pick his coaching staff, but we should believe that he railroaded Howie into that pick?

Yeah but by this logic why would the Eagles keep Doug if they don’t trust Doug to pick his own staff as they don’t trust his judgment or ability as much as they are forcing him to do things. That kind of tells me he’s going to be the one of the first people to go because they don’t think all that much of him if they’re forcing him instead of believing in his ability to make decisions on his players and offense 

Frankly I don’t think either one of them gets fired this year but if I had to put money on it I would still say Doug. not that howie does not deserve to be fired because he does.  

Frankly i believe he is going to be the ultimate scapegoat if they do fire anyone. And I can see the eagles being foolish enough saying some guys are having success elsewhere cause of coaching. 

20 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

I am so sick of reading this --- DOUG was JUBILANT over the pick - like a kid on Christmas morning that just opened his big box and it was exactly what he wanted. Yes - Howie has final say and he could tell Doug - No! But then you would be ripping him for "who the hell is he to tell the HC No!". You've clearly made up your mind about Howie and there is plenty - plenty to legitimately criticize him for - please stop blaming him for everything.

completely wrong again, who are you anyways

Cory Undlin is probably taking over for the Lions D the last few games. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

If Groh was a disaster, what is this current mess of an offense constructed by coaches who apparently don’t fit — as ordered from above Doug?

And Howie has final say on the draft, so I don’t give a S if Doug wanted Hurts. It was a nonsensical pick from the beginning. You don’t spend a 2 on a backup QB and tinker toy. 

So you think it was Howie's decision to not hire an OC? I agree this coaching by committee is a disaster - AND don't mistake my providing some proper perspective on the Hurts pick as a defense of Roseman - as I posted there is plenty to criticize him for. As to the coaching - I think - Doug doesn't want to give up play calling - after all his mentor Andy Reid never had to - (Doug has not yet grasped that he is not Andy). Roseman or Lurie fired Groh after Doug had publicly supported him - So I think Doug decided if I can't have the OC I want then I won't have an OC at all. 

 

Yes it's a mess. I started a thread early in the season that's now somewhere in IWTETG - about HC prospects. I think they all need to go - Lurie hires a new GM and let him have at it.

28 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

the blog now grades the process following the superbowl with hindsight of seeing what a dump the team has become. In the moment, Howie was making those moves just 1-2 years removed from winning a super bowl probably thinking he would bolster the roster, and reload for another one. And, if we are honest, you cant really blame him for feeling that way. Who knew how much worse we would look already the very next season?

 

The first obviously bad move was the Golden Tate trade and ironically everyone in here criticized me for criticizing it on the night of the deadline. At that point he began making decisions on desperation rather than careful calculation. 

Check the history, the decision to trade for Golden Tate was highly questioned as it happened.  Same with Avery.  Same with Desean, and the decision to resign him to a higher contract, at his age was also questioned.  

 

and anytime anyone questioned anything, the response was: don't worry about the cap, Howie knows what he's doing... Howie is a cap genius... blah blah blah.  These moves were questioned in the moment, but the response was that Howie knew what he was doing.   Seems he didn't. Time to pay the piper.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Check the history, the decision to trade for Golden Tate was highly questioned as it happened.  Same with Avery.  Same with Desean, and the decision to resign him to a higher contract, at his age was also questioned.  

 

and anytime anyone questioned anything, the response was: don't worry about the cap, Howie knows what he's doing... Howie is a cap genius... blah blah blah.  These moves were questioned in the moment, but the response was that Howie knew was he was doing.   Seems he didn't. Time to pay the piper.

Highly questioned by some and highly defended by many others.

24 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

I am so sick of reading this --- DOUG was JUBILANT over the pick - like a kid on Christmas morning that just opened his big box and it was exactly what he wanted. Yes - Howie has final say and he could tell Doug - No! But then you would be ripping him for "who the hell is he to tell the HC No!". You've clearly made up your mind about Howie and there is plenty - plenty to legitimately criticize him for - please stop blaming him for everything.

I got no problem for kicking Doug to the curb as well.  This organization needs a restructure, stem to stern.

17 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

 But even then, we were able to win a Fing Super Bowl with a backup QB, and a **** one at that.

It will go down as one of the most unlikely occurrences in the history of sports.

Foles may have been a backup and he hasn't done much since leaving eagles ,but for that playoff stretch he was far from a crap qb, for that playoff run and the super bowl which is the only game that matters he was a qb God!

 

16 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

Do you honestly think Howie is making draft picks in a vacuum - he alone without any input or conversation with anyone - seriously?????

He's not making the choices alone but saying the Hurts pick was Doug just because of how happy he was during the pick is ridiculous 

One of two things will happen after the season:

A) Howie/Lurie fire Doug, and by association the entire coaching staff 

B) Lurie fires Howie and Doug

 

GM candidates aren’t a lot different than head coaching candidates — there are a lot of youngish guys working their way up in other organizations who would give their right arm for an NFL GM job — don’t worry for one second about candidates "not wanting to come here”.  An NFL GM position is one of the most coveted in all of professional sports, and that’s why almost all new GMs bring their own handpicked head coach and coaching staffs with them; you’re not going to mortgage that future on holdover coaches from a previous underperforming regime.

If Howie goes, Doug goes.  

I think I’m in the boat of tuning out of Eagles football if Howie isn’t fired. I can barely even watch it now, if I even watch it at all. They’re just so boring to watch, even the 4-12 Andy season was at least interesting because they played their asses off for Andy.

Dumb decision after dumb decision by Howie just makes it head scratching why he is still around, sure the SB keeps him around, but I honestly have no way to explain that anomaly.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Check the history, the decision to trade for Golden Tate was highly questioned as it happened.  Same with Avery.  Same with Desean, and the decision to resign him to a higher contract, at his age was also questioned.  

 

and anytime anyone questioned anything, the response was: don't worry about the cap, Howie knows what he's doing... Howie is a cap genius... blah blah blah.  These moves were questioned in the moment, but the response was that Howie knew was he was doing.   Seems he didn't. Time to pay the piper.

I absolutely hated that tate trade. It made no sense based off the wide receivers you had in place at that time. I was for going after the other Lions receiver which was Marvin Jones jr, or Robbie Anderson or even going after Devante Parker because the Dolphins were trying to give him away and at least you could say he had two years left on his contract and maybe he reaches his upside in a better offense than one run by Adam gase. Not that Parker was an ideal fit but he was supposedly on the block and cheap. 

Desean trade was also disaster. He never should’ve traded for a 33-year-old wide receiver who had issues staying healthy when he was younger. And then giving him an extension on top of it was even worse. 

my problem with howie besides those moves are sometimes you got a look in the mirror and say to yourself what the truth is. Frankly 2018 i thought they were fortunate to even make the playoffs cause of cousins and needed a double doink to win a playoff game. But I can live with well Carson‘s gonna be healthier in 2019 then he was in 2018 so maybe we make a bigger jump with his health being better and take a shot. At the end of 2019 it was fools gold. If that team didn’t play three of the worst teams in football, play in the worst division in football and dak Prescott didn’t have a bum shoulder that team is not making the playoffs. At that point the eagles should’ve started a rebuild and trading off parts they could get rid of. Instead they fooled themselves into believing it was a roster capable of winning more than just an awful division.  

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah but by this logic why would the Eagles keep Doug if they don’t trust Doug to pick his own staff as they don’t trust his judgment or ability as much as they are forcing him to do things. That kind of tells me he’s going to be the one of the first people to go because they don’t think all that much of him if they’re forcing him instead of believing in his ability to make decisions on his players and offense 

Frankly I don’t think either one of them gets fired this year but if I had to put money on it I would still say Doug. not that howie does not deserve to be fired because he does.  

Frankly i believe he is going to be the ultimate scapegoat if they do fire anyone. And I can see the eagles being foolish enough saying some guys are having success elsewhere cause of coaching. 

Fair point. Everything about the situation is a mess. But Doug hired Reich, and that was probably the most important hire of his tenure outside of possibly Stout. 

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Highly questioned by some and highly defended by many others.

Yes.   There were both sides.    I was in favor of bringing Desean back, I didn't understand the need to give him a new contract though.  That was the mistake there (at least to me), because the cost was low.   And frankly, the trade for Slay this past year, fits perfectly in with this Howie process.   Trade for a player, then give him a new contract.   That makes it a bad move on two layers. Hurts bringing in young talent, AND limits your ability to pay free agents.  You can only do one or the other, you can't do both unless you are bringing in a truly special talent.  Slay isn't that guy now.  He was 3 years ago, but he wouldn't have been available then.  

20 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

It's become more and more apparent with each year that 2017 was just the greatest one year wonder in the history of planet earth. 

Lol it’s funny because I used to go back and forth with so many trolls on social media about this after our SB but with each passing week I am reminded of how right they were

23 hours ago, schuy7 said:

I believe it would be a major cap hit for 2021 ($59M), but after we would be free.

for a retirement?

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Fair point. Everything about the situation is a mess. But Doug hired Reich, and that was probably the most important hire of his tenure outside of possibly Stout. 

Agreed.   Reich and Doug was a perfect synergy.  Good friends from their playing days.  And they made beautiful music together.   Oh how I wished we could have seen them stay together for 2018.

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

One of two things will happen after the season:

A) Howie/Lurie fire Doug, and by association the entire coaching staff 

B) Lurie fires Howie and Doug

 

GM candidates aren’t a lot different than head coaching candidates — there are a lot of youngish guys working their way up in other organizations who would give their right arm for an NFL GM job — don’t worry for one second about candidates "not wanting to come here”.  An NFL GM position is one of the most coveted in all of professional sports, and that’s why almost all new GMs bring their own handpicked head coach and coaching staffs with them; you’re not going to mortgage that future on holdover coaches from a previous underperforming regime.

If Howie goes, Doug goes.  

Yeah that’s how I feel. I cannot see Howie Roseman getting fired And they retain Doug. I think if howie goes then it’s highly likely doug goes. Maybe because Lurie has done some questionable things in the past like bringing howie back after chip got fired he says to the new GM you have to work with doug. However the way that the Eagles have treated Doug (which imo poorly) i don’t think he lasts if howie gets fired.