10 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I’m 100 percent against this. We should be trying to repair him, not inflict further damage. 

The best-case scenario for the team is what? Hurts plays well and then...?

You don't follow the argument "we have to see what we have in Hurts"?

10 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Benching him for a game or two is just as bad. We’re stuck with him no matter what in 2021, so we need to get him fixed. If we bench him and Hurts plays decent football for a game or two, how do you go back to Wentz. 

Everything this team does for the rest of the season needs to be geared toward getting Wentz playing better. It’s the only thing that really matters. 

He’s not gonna get better.  Not enough to matter anyway.  The whole world (except for a few remaining Eagles fans) can see this guy is not the answer.  

The only thing that really matters is now is seeing if Hurts might be that guy.

9 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

If you want to light a fire under him bench him for a game not just a play here and there.

I agree.  But for some reason they want to take half measures.  Likely for shady political reasons (e.g. for Howie to save face).  Anyhow it’s at least a step in the right direction.

3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Yeah thats his problem, he needs to be more fiery

.....and we just time traveled to 2009

He came into this season with zero motivation.  Spent the entire offseason getting fat and happy playing house, huntin and fishin after getting his massive contract with tons of guaranteed cash.

So yes, he absolutely does need motivation.  I just fear it’s not going to work since he doesn’t care enough.  Carson has other priorities now.

6 minutes ago, RLC said:

You don't follow the argument "we have to see what we have in Hurts"?

I do not agree that we have to. He shouldn’t even be here. 

32 minutes ago, The guy in France said:

Have you watched the play ? I mean really watched it ... DPI all the way, still too little too late. Just being fair now that the ish has hit the fan

Yes, I watched the play, and I watched the 'effort'.  DPI gets called when an offensive player is giving effort.  Alshon was faking effort... jumped about a full second too soon and got about an inch off the ground.    I really watched the play and it made me sick.

15 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Then you take him out and put back Wentz back in because we only wanted to get him 2-3 plays at a time.  

This plan is bad on every level.

If you're going to sit Carson for a game or 2 to let him regroup and get his head right that's one thing.  To have a gameplan that calls for him to be taken out of the game for another QB to take snaps (and like you said we want him to play well) what good is going to come from that?  That's not letting your QB see the game at all.

Sounds like the coaching staff is trying to get fired to me.  

 

7 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

He’s not gonna get better.  Not enough to matter anyway.  The whole world (except for a few remaining Eagles fans) can see this guy is not the answer.  

The only thing that really matters is now is seeing if Hurts might be that guy.

If the 2020 version of Wentz is the real Wentz then I would agree. Thankfully we have four other seasons of better play that say he is the answer. 

You’re giving up way too early. 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I do not agree that we have to. He shouldn’t even be here. 

I'd like to see Hurts, but they don't run anything interesting with him in the 1st place. They don't run anything interesting with Carson.

They're suddenly going to be creative with both? With Kelce with a bad elbow and Peters/Pryor on the right side? I'm skeptical. 

5 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

He came into this season with zero motivation.  Spent the entire offseason getting fat and happy playing house, huntin and fishin after getting his massive contract with tons of guaranteed cash.

So yes, he absolutely does need motivation.  I just fear it’s not going to work since he doesn’t care enough.  Carson has other priorities now.

Save your armchair psychology. 

6 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

He came into this season with zero motivation.  Spent the entire offseason getting fat and happy playing house, huntin and fishin after getting his massive contract with tons of guaranteed cash.

So yes, he absolutely does need motivation.  I just fear it’s not going to work since he doesn’t care enough.  Carson has other priorities now.

Wow.   Have you ever heard the term 'projection'? 

Just now, RLC said:

I'd like to see Hurts, but they don't run anything interesting with him in the 1st place. They don't run anything interesting with Carson.

They're suddenly going to be creative with both? With Kelce with a bad elbow and Peters/Pryor on the right side? I'm skeptical. 

Not that I expected Wentz to play this badly to open the door widely for this kind of thing, but the Hurts drama has been predictable from the moment he was selected. 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Wow.   Have you ever heard the term 'projection'? 

I’m not the guy on the field stinking up the joint for 10 games now after getting paid and slacking this past off-season.

If Wentz’s poor play bleeds into next year then you look at benching him and significantly increasing Hurts’ reps. It would make sense because you can move on from Wentz in the offseason. 

To do it now while everything about the team is a mess is just ridiculous. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

If Wentz’s poor play bleeds into next year then you look at benching him and significantly increasing Hurts’ reps. It would make sense because you can move on from Wentz in the offseason. 

To do it now while everything about the team is a mess is just ridiculous. 

Nah, it fits perfectly with the rest of the mess, and smells of desperation, sabotage or surrender.

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

If Wentz’s poor play bleeds into next year then you look at benching him and significantly increasing Hurts’ reps. It would make sense because you can move on from Wentz in the offseason. 

To do it now while everything about the team is a mess is just ridiculous. 

By this logic, teams would basically never bench a QB midseason.  In the real world, it happens all the time when a QB is bad, let alone as atrocious as Carson has been this year.

Why is it the end of the world to hold Carson accountable for his terrible play? You guys have no problems calling to bench anyone else on the team.

 

 

Let me say this; I think there is a better chance that Wentz miraculously fixes a couple issues and returns to 2017 than there is that Hurts ever gets that good.  So I still think Wentz has a better chance,  both now and in the future, of playing like a franchise qb than Hurts.

I don’t think either will happen, but I like Wentz’ odds better.

There is a time to forge ahead and push through it...and there is a time to step back.  This is a time to step back.  In Wentz’ own interest, he needs to be removed from this dumpster fire for a couple weeks.  He’s never going to pull out of this tailspin just by bashing his head against the same wall in the same fashion week after week.

Just now, eagle45 said:

Let me say this; I think there is a better chance that Wentz miraculously fixes a couple issues and returns to 2017 than there is that Hurts ever gets that good.  So I still think Wentz has a better chance,  both now and in the future, of playing like a franchise qb than Hurts.

I don’t think either will happen, but I like Wentz’ odds better.

There is a time to forge ahead and push through it...and there is a time to step back.  This is a time to step back.  In Wentz’ own interest, he needs to be removed from this dumpster fire for a couple weeks.  He’s never going to pull out of this tailspin just by bashing his head against the same wall in the same fashion week after week.

If they’re so concerned about Wentz’ fragile psyche re: getting benched, they should just make up an injury to sit him out.  

40 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I’m 100 percent against this. We should be trying to repair him, not inflict further damage. 

The best-case scenario for the team is what? Hurts plays well and then...?

Worse case which could happen as well is the offense looks just as bad and unprepared as it does with Wentz and proves Doug and his practice habits, game planning etc are not worth a dime and results in Doug getting the Black Tuesday kick out the door. 

What I fully expect is some success because anyone who really watches football sees this all the time. A backup QB comes in and has success right away then after that week or the next teams start to have tape on the new QB and his success is over. 

Let's keep it simple.  There is absolutely no reason to rush Hurts into the lineup.  If he's going to become a good NFL QB he has 10+ years to do so.  Instead the focus needs to be on Wentz and trying to make the current large investment payoff.

The approach should be to simplify the game plan and work from the bottom up.  Slow the game down.  Just get back to basics and run the ball and then start to mix in quick passes and short throws.  Ditch the majority of the plays that require a deep drop and a long time to develop.  Let the OL catch their breath after all the injuries and work with them to establish some reasonable level of play and consistency.  Mix in an occasional double move to keep the D honest.  Slowly build up the O again and Carson's confidence at the same time.  Look at Carson's rookie year for the basic blueprint.

 

Also, punt on 4th down.

5 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Let's keep it simple.  There is absolutely no reason to rush Hurts into the lineup.  If he's going to become a good NFL QB he has 10+ years to do so.  Instead the focus needs to be on Wentz and trying to make the current large investment payoff.

The approach should be to simplify the game plan and work from the bottom up.  Slow the game down.  Just get back to basics and run the ball and then start to mix in quick passes and short throws.  Ditch the majority of the plays that require a deep drop and a long time to develop.  Let the OL catch their breath after all the injuries and work with them to establish some reasonable level of play and consistency.  Mix in an occasional double move to keep the D honest.  Slowly build up the O again and Carson's confidence at the same time.  Look at Carson's rookie year for the basic blueprint.

 

Also, punt on 4th down.

Doug must be taking notes from the Cowpies.

Or is it the other way around?

I think it is hard to settle on solutions when we still don’t know the causes. 
 

wentz is putrid, no doubt. Is that because he was a flash in the pan and has returned to normal?  Is it Doug?  The OL?  Weapons?  Damaged psyche? 

 

Play calling is awful. Is that Doug’s fault and previous coaches masked his deficiencies?  Is it because players aren’t executing?  Howie’s meddling?

 

And our drafting has been awful for years. Howie?  The collective brain trust?  Bad philosophy?  Scouting?

 

The one thing I have to keep reminding myself is that there is a whole lot of complexity that we simply don’t know. 
 

if I have to assign blame, #1 for me is Howie. This roster is once again poorly constructed and the buck stops with him. From there, I think everything else flows...

37 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

By this logic, teams would basically never bench a QB midseason.  In the real world, it happens all the time when a QB is bad, let alone as atrocious as Carson has been this year.

Why is it the end of the world to hold Carson accountable for his terrible play? You guys have no problems calling to bench anyone else on the team.

 

 

It’s different when it’s the franchise QB. You know that. 

32 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Worse case which could happen as well is the offense looks just as bad and unprepared as it does with Wentz and proves Doug and his practice habits, game planning etc are not worth a dime and results in Doug getting the Black Tuesday kick out the door. 

What I fully expect is some success because anyone who really watches football sees this all the time. A backup QB comes in and has success right away then after that week or the next teams start to have tape on the new QB and his success is over. 

Hurts playing poorly is the best-case scenario because it would shut up some fans clamoring for Hurts. 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Hurts playing poorly is the best-case scenario because it would shut up some fans clamoring for Hurts. 

Well best case for us who feel Wentz is still the future and Doug needs to walk. Worse case for those who think Hurts and Doug are going to change this team.