2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Carson Wentz was an elite QB in 2017.  Without an elite QB, the Eagles don't win 13 regular season games and secure HFA.  Without HFA, they never make it to the SB.  And without Foles playing a historically great SB, they don't win it.

If you want to hinge your SB odds on a career average QB catching lightning in a bottle and being incredible for a SB run (Eli, Flacco), then you are just sitting back and hoping for dumb luck.  That's not a blueprint.  

You just proved my point, lol. You yourself has said Carson was not a elite QB in many past posts but now you said he was. Foles was not a elite Qb, we all know that. Again there are just as many SB winning teams with good(non elite QBs) then there are Elite QBs. Its about the whole team and coaching staff coming together at the right time. As I said, pretty much every "elite" QB you can mention in the last 10 years or so has only won 1 SB. Some zero. So having an elite Qb doesnt mean your going to win one. 

So yes your QB situation type theory might be your view but not the majority view. 

6 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

OT is far from the Eagles most pressing need.  The team drafted Dillard in the first round; develop and play him.  Johnson has at least 3 good years left once his ankle is repaired properly.  Mailata will be fine as a swing tackle and can fill the role when one of them goes out injured.

If the Eagles are picking top 10 it needs to be Chase, Parsons, or Surtain Jr.  There is still almost a criminal lack of talent at WR.  The current GM/coaching regime has emptied the roster of any LB talent, and the CB play will return to being a league embarrassment if/when Slay is gone.

Can Lane stay healthy?

If we go for WR again then I hope whoever it is can start and be great right away

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2 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

You just proved my point, lol. You yourself has said Carson was not a elite QB in many past posts but now you said he was. Foles was not a elite Qb, we all know that. Again there are just as many SB winning teams with good(non elite QBs) then there are Elite QBs. Its about the whole team and coaching staff coming together at the right time. As I said, pretty much every "elite" QB you can mention in the last 10 years or so has only won 1 SB. Some zero. So having an elite Qb doesnt mean your going to win one. 

So yes your QB situation type theory might be your view but not the majority view. 

I have never claimed that Wentz was anything but elite in 2017.

11 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

OT is far from the Eagles most pressing need.  The team drafted Dillard in the first round; develop and play him.  Johnson has at least 3 good years left once his ankle is repaired properly.  Mailata will be fine as a swing tackle and can fill the role when one of them goes out injured.

If the Eagles are picking top 10 it needs to be Chase, Parsons, or Surtain Jr.  There is still almost a criminal lack of talent at WR.  The current GM/coaching regime has emptied the roster of any LB talent, and the CB play will return to being a league embarrassment if/when Slay is gone.

In the end, this team needs just about every position so they should be going with BPA no matter what the position(yes we can exclude kicker/punter) lol. You wont have a TE in that spot so the people cant say that is not a need. But yes we need the best player we can get. Going back to the BPA method over drafting for need is the best method to me. 

I’d even be ok with them taking Kyle Pitts in the first round at this point

26 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Can Lane stay healthy?

If we go for WR again then I hope whoever it is can start and be great right away

Without any FA money to spend and only so many draft picks, the Eagles will be forced to bet on their OL being healthier next season.  If you have Dillard-Seumalo-Kelce-Brooks-Johnson then you’re still talented enough there.  Herbig, Driscoll and Mailata provide some depth.  If Kelce retires then Seumalo moves to C and Driscoll/Herbig compete for a guard spot.  Some pretty big suppositions, I know.

I’d like to see Reagor replace Ward as the primary slot WR, draft Chase (or Waddle) as a starter outside with Fulgham.  Hightower and Watkins can hopefully be developed as depth there.  IMO drafting a starter at CB and LB is also a must, and the Eagles need to get a suitable #2 RB to spell Sanders as well.
 

There won’t be any room to draft any Taylor’s or Hurts’ next April.

28 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

OT is far from the Eagles most pressing need.  The team drafted Dillard in the first round; develop and play him.  Johnson has at least 3 good years left once his ankle is repaired properly.  Mailata will be fine as a swing tackle and can fill the role when one of them goes out injured.

If the Eagles are picking top 10 it needs to be Chase, Parsons, or Surtain Jr.  There is still almost a criminal lack of talent at WR.  The current GM/coaching regime has emptied the roster of any LB talent, and the CB play will return to being a league embarrassment if/when Slay is gone.

I like your thought process here. If they end up with a top 10 pick, they need to take the best player available and not pick for ''need'' or ''fit.'' The fact of the matter is there could be a legitimate argument made for several positions being the biggest need. Add in the fact they will likely have a very high pick and they have to nail the pick and going for the best player regardless of position increases their chances of doing so.

38 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

In the end, this team needs just about every position so they should be going with BPA no matter what the position(yes we can exclude kicker/punter) lol. You wont have a TE in that spot so the people cant say that is not a need. But yes we need the best player we can get. Going back to the BPA method over drafting for need is the best method to me. 

Yeah this is where I am. I want to say chase or surtain would be my dream scenario but if the BPA is an offensive lineman then I’m ok going that route. We basically need youth across the board. Corner, safety, lb, DE, DT, OL, WR could use an injection of youth or youth that is able to contribute at a high level. I really don’t think it matters what order of positions are worse as we need to just draft guys who can step in and play all over the field. This team could use more picks then what we currently have to infuse talent onto the roster. I get it is only a 4th we don’t have but that 4th we gave up for Avery looks even worse now as it likely sits atop of the 4th round where good talent is likely to be had. 

33 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Without any FA money to spend and only so many draft picks, the Eagles will be forced to bet on their OL being healthier next season.  If you have Dillard-Seumalo-Kelce-Brooks-Johnson then you’re still talented enough there.  Herbig, Driscoll and Mailata provide some depth.  If Kelce retires then Seumalo moves to C and Driscoll/Herbig compete for a guard spot.  Some pretty big suppositions, I know.

I’d like to see Reagor replace Ward as the primary slot WR, draft Chase (or Waddle) as a starter outside with Fulgham.  Hightower and Watkins can hopefully be developed as depth there.  IMO drafting a starter at CB and LB is also a must, and the Eagles need to get a suitable #2 RB to spell Sanders as well.
 

There won’t be any room to draft any Taylor’s or Hurts’ next April.

 

25 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

I like your thought process here. If they end up with a top 10 pick, they need to take the best player available and not pick for ''need'' or ''fit.'' The fact of the matter is there could be a legitimate argument made for several positions being the biggest need. Add in the fact they will likely have a very high pick and they have to nail the pick and going for the best player regardless of position increases their chances of doing so.

The eagles are not taking a WR in the top 10. 

17 minutes ago, wtfcares said:

 

The eagles are not taking a WR in the top 10. 

Desean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin, Kevin Curtis and Terrell Owens are the only Eagles WR to put up 1,000+ yards in a season in the past 20 years, and Jackson was the only WR to do it more than once.  The Eagles should seriously look at a WR in the top 10.

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Desean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin, Kevin Curtis and Terrell Owens are the only Eagles WR to put up 1,000+ yards in a season in the past 20 years, and Jackson was the only WR to do it more than once.  The Eagles should seriously look at a WR in the top 10.

1. Successful teams do not draft WR with top 10 picks. You can get great wide receivers later in the 1st and in the second as we’ve seen from the last few drafts. It’s much much harder to find great DL and OL later in the draft. 

2. We are not at a point where we are 1 WR away from a SB. The eagles have already spent a 1st last year and a 2nd the year before on WR. They cannot and will not continue to pour draft capital into WR and ignore all the other issues with this team. 
 

3. Our track record drafting and developing WRs has been HORRIBLE. If the eagles really wanted to get a top tier WR, they should trade that first for someone like Calvin Ridley from a team that’s not going anywhere anytime soon that will likely be looking for a new franchise QB.  

Draft wise, if there's a CB available who's worth a top 10 pick I'm sprinting to the podium.

8 minutes ago, wtfcares said:

1. Successful teams do not draft WR with top 10 picks. You can get great wide receivers later in the 1st and in the second as we’ve seen from the last few drafts. It’s much much harder to find great DL and OL later in the draft. 

2. We are not at a point where we are 1 WR away from a SB. The eagles have already spent a 1st last year and a 2nd the year before on WR. They cannot and will not continue to pour draft capital into WR and ignore all the other issues with this team. 
 

3. Our track record drafting and developing WRs has been HORRIBLE. If the eagles really wanted to get a top tier WR, they should trade that first for someone like Calvin Ridley from a team that’s not going anywhere anytime soon that will likely be looking for a new franchise QB.  

1.  Really?  Brandon Brooks was a 3rd round pick, Kelce was a 6th round pick, Jason Peters was undrafted.  If anything you should be arguing OL can wait until later rounds.

2.  We are not one anything away from a SB.  Resources already spent on past drafts have no bearing on future draft strategy, as JJAW won’t be on the roster next season.  
 

3.  The track record for drafting and developing any player at any position has been horrible.

 

The Eagles 2021 draft has to be offense dominated.  

 

12 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

1.  Really?  Brandon Brooks was a 3rd round pick, Kelce was a 6th round pick, Jason Peters was undrafted.  If anything you should be arguing OL can wait until later rounds.

2.  We are not one anything away from a SB.  Resources already spent on past drafts have no bearing on future draft strategy, as JJAW won’t be on the roster next season.  
 

3.  The track record for drafting and developing any player at any position has been horrible.

 

The Eagles 2021 draft has to be offense dominated.  

 

1. Those guys are the exception not the rule. In the NFL most top talent at OL is found at the top of the 1st half. And again I’ll back point up with the fact that quality, successful teams that are well run do not draft WRs in the top 10. Only the regular bottom feeders like the Jaguars do that. 
 

2. Of course resources from previous drafts have bearing. Everything points to the Eagles being still very high on Reagor. If they think they have one potentially good WR in him they will not look to spend another 1st on a WR. 
 

3. Not true. We’ve actually had good success drafting and developing OL and DL. 
 

Drafting a WR in the top 10 does not in anyway make this same offense dominant in 2021. 

1 minute ago, wtfcares said:

1. Those guys are the exception not the rule. In the NFL most top talent at OL is found at the top of the 1st half. And again I’ll back point up with the fact that quality, successful teams that are well run do not draft WRs in the top 10. Only the regular bottom feeders like the Jaguars do that. 
 

2. Of course resources from previous drafts have bearing. Everything points to the Eagles being still very high on Reagor. If they think they have one potentially good WR in him they will not look to spend another 1st on a WR. 
 

3. Not true. We’ve actually had good success drafting and developing OL and DL. 
 

Drafting a WR in the top 10 does not in anyway make this same offense dominant in 2021. 

Nobody said anything about dominant.  The Eagles have the 27th ranked offense in the NFL because their OL is obliterated by injury and their WR are garbage — in addition to subpar coaching and scheme.  Jeffery, Jackson, JJAW and Ertz at TE will be gone next season.  
 

Reagor is an NFL caliber WR.  Fulgham maybe(?).  No one else on the roster is any better than a scrub.  Hightower might be a developing WR.  The team will begin paying Wentz $32M next season — it might be a good idea to get him a weapon to throw to.

I’m not trying to advocate WR has to be the first round pick; I’d be fine with Parsons, Surtain, even Sewell if the Eagles thought he was BPA — but if you can tell me the last WR the Eagles drafted outside the first round who has made any impact at all in the offense, I’d be happy to consider it.  Before Jackson you’d probably need to go back to Fred Barnett.

I’m probably crazy hoping the Eagles will elevate Jordan Howard to the active roster for the Packers game.  Everything about that matchup screams running the ball 30-35 times at their putrid run defense, and I just don’t think Corey Clement has much to offer at this point.

8 hours ago, eglz1 said:

I may have it wrong but isn't that how they ended up with Doug? I don't remember details but I recall that they had a couple candidates ahead of Doug but they weren't willing to agree to Howie's conditions. I could be remembering wrong though.

From what I remember, Doug was the only one the team seriously talked to.

6 hours ago, AzBirdGang said:

I'm pretty hyped about Hurts. If we can get someone in here to coach his throwing motion he could end up being a great player. His stats in college are nuts. 

He doesn't turn the ball over, let's his work ethic speak for himself. Ready to see his first series. 

I'm worried they could ruin his development as well. 

His last year in college was nuts, his time at Bama was forgettable.  He wasn't even draft worthy before his transfer.

4 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

OT is far from the Eagles most pressing need.  The team drafted Dillard in the first round; develop and play him.  Johnson has at least 3 good years left once his ankle is repaired properly.  Mailata will be fine as a swing tackle and can fill the role when one of them goes out injured.

If the Eagles are picking top 10 it needs to be Chase, Parsons, or Surtain Jr.  There is still almost a criminal lack of talent at WR.  The current GM/coaching regime has emptied the roster of any LB talent, and the CB play will return to being a league embarrassment if/when Slay is gone.

I want to see him at the combine.  Is he Humphrey or every other hyped Bama CB.  He's certainly talented and technically sound, but he looks a little stiff to me.

Interesting read from Kempski regarding blowing it all up (and how trading Wentz would result in the most dead money in history - so not feasible):

https://www.phillyvoice.com/eagles-blow-it-up-rebuild-rumors-howie-roseman-trades-doug-pederson-coaching-changes-0599970/

"It's never great when there's a decent argument to draft any position in the first round, aside from running back, tight end, kicker, punter, and long snapper."

That line stung quite a bit.

12 hours ago, eglz1 said:

I may have it wrong but isn't that how they ended up with Doug? I don't remember details but I recall that they had a couple candidates ahead of Doug but they weren't willing to agree to Howie's conditions. I could be remembering wrong though.

The report about coaches not wanting to work with Howie was in 2013 because of Chip turning down the job initially as well as some other coaches declining to interview. When they hired Doug they had interviewed some guys like Duce, Shurmur, McAdoo and Coughlin but weren’t really serious about them.  I believe they wanted Gase and wanted to bring him in for a second interview but he agreed to a deal with Miami 

51 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The report about coaches not wanting to work with Howie was in 2013 because of Chip turning down the job initially as well as some other coaches declining to interview. When they hired Doug they had interviewed some guys like Duce, Shurmur, McAdoo and Coughlin but weren’t really serious about them.  I believe they wanted Gase and wanted to bring him in for a second interview but he agreed to a deal with Miami 

Well, we can be thankful for that, I suppose.

1 hour ago, bbabraham said:

"It's never great when there's a decent argument to draft any position in the first round, aside from running back, tight end, kicker, punter, and long snapper."

This is an unfair comment: Most teams could get justify drafting any position in RD1. 

53 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The report about coaches not wanting to work with Howie was in 2013 because of Chip turning down the job initially as well as some other coaches declining to interview. When they hired Doug they had interviewed some guys like Duce, Shurmur, McAdoo and Coughlin but weren’t really serious about them.  I believe they wanted Gase and wanted to bring him in for a second interview but he agreed to a deal with Miami 

Kempski said a source told him McAdoo was on his way to Philadelphia to formally accept the position when the Giants called to offer him the job.