23 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

There is not a single player on the Eagles , with the possible exception of Kelce, that deserves an invite to the Pro Bowl.

Yeah, Howie has done a great job.

First, I don't know who to assign credit/blame to before 2016, because AR and Kelly probably had more pull than Howie before then.

Second, if you're drafting in the 20s, how often do you hit on pro bowl players. Especially the first year or two.

So I'd say the jury is out on Dillard, Sanders, Reagor, Mailata, all of whom have Pro Bowl upside but it remains to be seen if they spend more time on the field than the trainer's room.

Hurts, Hightower/Watkins, Driscoll, Prince, Sweat, Taylor, Bradley, Wallace are worth watching the next couple years, they have the athleticism to develop into starters.

The real problem is the same with Holmgren and the Flyers and the Phillies after 2012, it's hard to admit the party's over and clean up the mess.

Howie finally had a deep draft that improved the team's youth and athleticism, unfortunately, he needs two more and a coaching staff that can develop players (it's disturbing when Agholor, Jones, Douglas, etc. go elsewhere and succeed).

7 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Sure, we can all say hindsight is 2020 in these scenarios, but we can also point out the multitude of posters on this very board clamoring for the guys the Eagles did not take that are killing it.

A huge chunk of us talked about Jefferson and Chinn being the first two picks, a huge group wanted Metcalf, this is more than just hindsight.

Don’t need to hear it every day however.

9 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I'm going to laugh when we don't see extra Hurts tonight and it's the same 2ish plays, but with Wentz not lined up at W. 

Yup and remember when Doug finally stated he would do more roll outs 2 games ago, get Wentz moving? Yeah that extra play a game really helped. 

17 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I don't think Pederson is a good coach for a young team, he's a players' coach, and especially veteran players.

The cap means this team is going to shed veterans the next two seasons, so like it or not, they HAVE to rebuild simply b/c they can't sign FAs, and a lot of current players are "gone with the wind."

Right now this is your 2021 roster, and I doubt you'll get much help in the draft, because you never get much help from rookies (only a couple each year play significant roles).

QB:  Wentz, Hurts

RB:  Sanders, Scott, Huntley, Holifield

WR:  Reagor, Fulgham, Ward, Hightower, Watkins

TE:   Goedert, Perkins, Rodgers

OL:  Mailata/Dillard - Driscoll/Seumalo - Seumalo/Juriga - Brooks - Lane, Herbig, Opeta, Prince, Pryor, Toth

DL:  Graham - Cox - Hargrave - Barnett, Sweat, Ostman, Ridgeway, Williams, Avery, Miller

LB:  Taylor - Edwards - Singleton, Bradley, Riley

CB:  Slay, Maddox, LaBlanc, Jacquet, James

S:  McLeod, Wallace, Mills, Epps, Ford, Riley

And they may have to shed a veteran or two to get under the cap.

This will be a young team that will get even younger in 2022 when they have to shed more salary and still won't be able to afford FAs.

I think Pederson has been too much of a player's coach over the last 2 seasons and that hasn't worked.  I don't know that brining a new coach into this team next season will tell us very much about the quality of his coaching absent some dramatic improvement in performance.  I think that's another reason to keep Doug.  I do think rookies could contribute.  I mean Kelce was a decent starter as a 6th round rookie.  A top 10 pick at CB or LB may be an immediate contributor and improvement assuming Schwartz is gone.  I think the real issue remains whether Wentz can improve his play.  

14 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I'm going to laugh when we don't see extra Hurts tonight and it's the same 2ish plays, but with Wentz not lined up at W. 

I will cry

Since it's Metcalf day...can we please just stop with the Madden GMing assuming that if players put in different positions and different schemes with different players around them would still all be the same players?

Does anyone think that Jefferson and Metcalf would be doing what they are doing here in the state this team is in?

Does anyone know the mental work Russ has put in with DK to get him to where he is?

There are a TON of things that go into player development so it's just silly to say "well this guy is performing like that there, so he would here", especially when we see guys like Sidney, Rasul, Nelson, etc all go play well in other places. 

 

By the way, the spread has gone up a point to Seattle +6.5. I wonder why

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19 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I'm going to laugh when we don't see extra Hurts tonight and it's the same 2ish plays, but with Wentz not lined up at W. 

If Doug puts Hurts out there for 10 plays or so and if Wentz is at WR for those plays, then Doug needs to be fired right after the game.  

1 minute ago, PrinceKelby said:

Since it's Metcalf day...can we please just stop with the Madden GMing assuming that if players put in different positions and different schemes with different players around them would still all be the same players?

Does anyone think that Jefferson and Metcalf would be doing what they are doing here in the state this team is in?

Does anyone know the mental work Russ has put in with DK to get him to where he is?

There are a TON of things that go into player development so it's just silly to say "well this guy is performing like that there, so he would here", especially when we see guys like Sidney, Rasul, Nelson, etc all go play well in other places.

I generally agree but Sindey Jones still sucks.

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

This is how I feel. 

Doug out told us he couldnt figure out how to use a pro bowl WR. He cant spot talent if it punched him in the face and he contuines to tell us what he needs to do to make the team better, but doesnt do it. 

My guess, if we took DK we'd be complaining about how good JJAW looks in seattle. 

I seriously doubt that. JJAW doesn't even look like he belongs in the league.

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

First, I don't know who to assign credit/blame to before 2016, because AR and Kelly probably had more pull than Howie before then.

Ok, let's consider 2017-2020. Howie's drafts have sucked. How many selections are in the the top 10 at their respective positions? Top 20? Top 30?

Second, if you're drafting in the 20s, how often do you hit on pro bowl players. Especially the first year or two.

The Pro Bowl is littered with players selected after pick 20.

So I'd say the jury is out on Dillard, Sanders, Reagor, Mailata, all of whom have Pro Bowl upside but it remains to be seen if they spend more time on the field than the trainer's room.

Pro Bowl potential? OK, sure. I'll wait on Reagor, but I'm not seeing it yet.

Hurts, Hightower/Watkins, Driscoll, Prince, Sweat, Taylor, Bradley, Wallace are worth watching the next couple years, they have the athleticism to develop into starters.

Worth watching? What choice do we have? The Hurts picked smacked of hubris. You know, the Quarterback Factory. Taylor was a luxury pick for a team that could not afford it.

The real problem is the same with Holmgren and the Flyers and the Phillies after 2012, it's hard to admit the party's over and clean up the mess.

We are talking about the Eagles.

Howie finally had a deep draft that improved the team's youth and athleticism, unfortunately, he needs two more and a coaching staff that can develop players (it's disturbing when Agholor, Jones, Douglas, etc. go elsewhere and succeed).

How about a draft that improves the team's performance?

 

Is this shockers twitter account ??

Just now, downundermike said:

 

It's hard to find credibility in a guy named Joshie Buttons who spells the coach's name wrong.

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

I'm thinking this is a joke - "more swagger in the pocket"?  Is that Shocker's twitter handle?

2 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

It's hard to find credibility in a guy named Joshie Buttons who spells the coach's name wrong.

Yeah, this can't be real.

2 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

I'm thinking this is a joke - "more swagger in the pocket"?  Is that Shocker's twitter handle?

I thought I had added to the tweet that this has to be a shocker twitter, did not post with the tweet.

1 minute ago, mikemack8 said:

I'm thinking this is a joke - "more swagger in the pocket"?  Is that Shocker's twitter handle?

Doug doesn't have enough swagger to say "swagger". Plus, if he ever said that about Carson, it would ruin the coach QB relationship.  Doug might be dopey at times, but he's not that dopey.

7 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Thats what I thought...

Then I saw Golden Tate leave us and do just fine and same with Nelly. 

Well Nelson did play one good year here. He was just a headcase and couldn't handle playing in Philly. We'll see if he can sustain that level he's playing at this year. The Golden Tate trade was a mistake and a waste of a draft pick. But he's not really lighting the world on fire in NY. He's just okay, better than he was here for sure. I'm still not convinced that either example means for sure JJAW and DK would swap careers if you changed the teams that drafted them.

3 hours ago, Ipiggles said:

I know the quick Hot Take narrative going around is that Wentz is hot garbage now, but anyone who actually looks at the team, and each game impartially, sees Wentz is struggling, but there is always more to it.

First you have to look at his history 2017-2019. Then look at the Eagles Oline having now 10 different combinations in 11 straight games, we have back ups to the backups playing. The Most Hits, Sacks, and Pressures in the NFL. These things lead to Ints, and QB Fumbles. 

And then look at his WR's 1) Reagor, a rookie with 4 games under his belt, Fulgham, a young WR who was cut from two other teams this year, Ward who was a practice squad player last year, a converted QB who is a decent 4th or 5th option. His wr's have the highest number of drops this year as per PFF (last time it was reported was last week) These WR's often take more time to get "open" than NFL Caliber starting wr's. They often do not come back to the ball. These things lead to PBU's and INT's , if the QB is throwing the ball on time. Wentz has a lack of confidence in his WR's which is now causing him to hold the ball too long, take sacks, as he is waiting for them to have clear separation. He didn't use to do this. He used to just let the ball rip. He is now tentative.

Then they look at the game plans and play calling-  Why has Doug had Wentz throw for nearly 40 throws AVG each game this year, behind this oline and throwing to these WR's? Why do we only do 1 rollout a game? They look at the lack of creativity (excluding the stupid Hurts distractions). How anyone sees our Oline , knows Wentz is more accurate on the run, and REFUSES to use regular rollouts to move the pocket, by time for these WR's is just plain stubborn stupidity. Lack of reliance on the run game has led to a lot of 3rd and long situations, which doesn't help as the defense is now expecting you to pass, you become so predictable.  We have thrown on 63.5% of the time. thats 5th highest in the league.

Let me remind you we are throwing 63.5% of the time, with Reagor, Ward, Fulgham as your starting wrs!!!!

Coaching- discipline- this team shoots itself regularly with all the penalties. It is to the point that I expect every "punt return" will come with a 10 Yard flag attached to it. 

Lastly, starting field position has been horrendous this year, part of that is really crappy ST's and a lack of forced turn overs from our defense, and inability to make stops consistently on defense. This means we have to have long sustained drives in order to score. One of the benefits of 2017 was we were getting turn overs regularly, and even "scoring on defense" a novel concept I know. We are tied for 24th with only 11 Takeaways this years, and are 30th in Differential.  (not hard to understand, your QB is the most hit, sacked and pressured QB in the league which leads to turnovers, and your defense doesn't force many. 

 

 

Wentz is struggling no doubt, he has no confidence in who he is throwing to. The Oline is a mess, and play calling is questionable at best. 

It's completely understandable, and when you compare his other 4 seasons to this one, what stands out is just how bad the team around him is now.  If anyone actually studies the games, and not just repeats the hot takes, it's easy to see, and is all fixable. 

 

This!!!! So much of this. If only we could like a post more than once

3 hours ago, RLC said:

I'm torn about throwing tonight. On the one hand, Peters/Pryor in theory should be a good run-blocking right side (no idea about Peters, but Pryor) is. On the other hand, the Seahawks pass defense is clearly their weakness. They are good at stopping the run. If we get into 3rd and long, they can blitz with any of their LBs + Adams. If we get into 3rd and long, Pryor is going to get matched up against Dunlap and repeatedly lose. The best way to avoid 3rd and long is not to run, but to pass for 1st downs. All it takes is one negative run/stuff, for 2nd and 10/3rd and 11.

Seumalo/Kelce/Peters are not 100% either. They're each battling something. 

I thought Peters was injured with turf toe?

13 minutes ago, metal said:

I generally agree but Sindey Jones still sucks.

He might but he’s still better than what we’re putting opposite of Slay right now.

But imagine if Hurts does start and wins against the team we haven’t beaten since 2008.... 

17 minutes ago, PrinceKelby said:

Since it's Metcalf day...

 

I think Slay will do fine on Metcalf tonight. It's Lockett who is going to eat this defense up in the passing game and probably on some end-arounds too. 

1 minute ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I think Slay will do fine on Metcalf tonight. It's Lockett who is going to eat this defense up. 

What about Slay on Lockett and double team Metcalf?

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