1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

Funny feeling so meh about a game when a W puts you in 1st place in the division.  Can't ever say that's been the case before for me.

I have a feeling the team plays well tonight.

 

I actually think the Seahawks defense has been getting better since after that buffalo game. They were good against the rams and cardinals who’s offenses are better than ours. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I'm arguing that Slay has been fine so "this secondary" doesn't mean anything if they have him shadow DK all game. 

And overall it has not been really bad. Situationally they are bad. But they still are 6th in the entire league in passing yards against. 

This is a boom/bust defense. If the DL doesn't win early, we get torched. So we can look like a top 5 defense for stretches, but also a bottom 5 D for stretches.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I actually think the Seahawks defense has been getting better since after that buffalo game. They were good against the rams and cardinals who’s offenses are better than ours. 

I don't think we will win but I think it will be a close game and I think the O will look pretty good.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Jones numbers are a little misleading. He definitely is playing better than he was here. However The jags are getting gashed on the ground. They have given up the fourth most rushing yards in the league and the 3rd most attempts against them. Teams are passing 53% of the time and running 47%. In a passing league that generally doesn’t happen unless you are awful against the run. They are top half of the league in fewest pass attempts. 

I really don’t care about stats that much. You could see he had ability when he was here, confidence was clearly shaken like all our CB’s in this system.

3 minutes ago, wtfcares said:

In the NFL where talent is as hard to come by as it is, you do not get rid of players in the middle of their careers in anticipation of them potentially not being as good years later. 
 

Lane and Brooks are not old by OL standards at all. They are top 3 in their positions. They can easily play at a high level for another 4-5 years. 
 

Slay can also easily be good for another 3-4 years. 
 

Cox and Malik I’ll give you are over paid. 
 

Hargrave is only 28. He’s had a bad year this year(10 games) but he’s shown he can be a force every year before. Why get rid of that when again he can be good for another 5 years. 
 

BG at this point is towards the end of his career. Although he’s still playing great. If the team sees themselves as having to rebuild then sure get rid of him. But if we get a new coach who thinks they can turn this team around, keeping him at 12 million a year with this kind of production is worth it. 

I get it, yeah talent is hard to come by.  Not saying Lane and Brooks are old but they aren't in the middle of their careers.  Both of them are dealing with failing bodies and have top paying contracts at their respective positions.  The Eagles need to find money.  They also have to find places where they have young players ready to step up.  Dillard, Herbig and Mailata are all ready IMO.  Dillard was to be the starting LT this year.  Mailata has showed us he can be a player and will be ascending.  Could be a nasty RT in the Runyan mold.  Herbig can be your starting RG.  

You've gotta think 2-3 years down the road with the decisions you make today.  We've seen Lane and Brooks at their peak.  We are only going to see them decline (I'm basing this off their injury histories).  We are still seeing Mailata, Herbig and Dillard (hopefully) develop and grow to their potential.  I want to a new GM come here and build an ascending team.  A team that is going to grow together.  There might be some hiccups but we have to unload the older players before it's too late.

2 minutes ago, Casey @ Bat said:

I really don’t care about stats that much. You could see he had ability when he was here, confidence was clearly shaken like all our CB’s in this system.

I think it was more the eagles were tired of him getting perpetually hurt and then in training camp he winds up getting hurt and missing weeks again. Add on Schwartz didn’t trust him to stay on the field even with having upside. Do i think Schwartz is the problem with his corners underachieving? Yes however Jones was also his worse enemy as he perpetually found himself getting hurt in game and out with injury for long stretches 

I wonder who he pissed off

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

If you knew that was coming, why did you post it? 

I didn't get to it within the 15 seconds allotted and I apologize.

Just now, metal said:

I wonder who he pissed off

This is the eagles organizationally not having the balls to tell peters you are done and we are going with youth cause you are done. 

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I get it, yeah talent is hard to come by.  Not saying Lane and Brooks are old but they aren't in the middle of their careers.  Both of them are dealing with failing bodies and have top paying contracts at their respective positions.  The Eagles need to find money.  They also have to find places where they have young players ready to step up.  Dillard, Herbig and Mailata are all ready IMO.  Dillard was to be the starting LT this year.  Mailata has showed us he can be a player and will be ascending.  Could be a nasty RT in the Runyan mold.  Herbig can be your starting RG.  

You've gotta think 2-3 years down the road with the decisions you make today.  We've seen Lane and Brooks at their peak.  We are only going to see them decline (I'm basing this off their injury histories).  We are still seeing Mailata, Herbig and Dillard (hopefully) develop and grow to their potential.  I want to a new GM come here and build an ascending team.  A team that is going to grow together.  There might be some hiccups but we have to unload the older players before it's too late.

Agreed. This next draft should be used to bolster both lines. They should go under the assumption that Brooks and Lane won't be the same and draft based on that. If Lane and Brooks return to form, then you have a really deep OL and that will help us do better against teams like Washington who are loaded up front.  Then, the following draft, you address the other pieces that we need. We can't get everything fixed in one draft. If we get this OL fixed, then the QB play should be better and the WRs will have more time to get open. And, the running game will get even better.  I don't see Herbig as a starter though. He's not athletic enough to pull or get out in the screen game.

8 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

I don't think we will win but I think it will be a close game and I think the O will look pretty good.

Idk i think this winds up being like the mnf seattle game in 2005 where it was a demolition. It’s even raining again 

22 minutes ago, wtfcares said:

In the NFL where talent is as hard to come by as it is, you do not get rid of players in the middle of their careers in anticipation of them potentially not being as good years later. 
 

Lane and Brooks are not old by OL standards at all. They are top 3 in their positions. They can easily play at a high level for another 4-5 years. 
 

Slay can also easily be good for another 3-4 years. 
 

Cox and Malik I’ll give you are over paid. 
 

Hargrave is only 28. He’s had a bad year this year(10 games) but he’s shown he can be a force every year before. Why get rid of that when again he can be good for another 5 years. 
 

BG at this point is towards the end of his career. Although he’s still playing great. If the team sees themselves as having to rebuild then sure get rid of him. But if we get a new coach who thinks they can turn this team around, keeping him at 12 million a year with this kind of production is worth it. 
 

Maybe if this team didn’t spend all their high end draft capital trying to replicate the Chiefs with WRs and RBs and actually spent it where it matters on the Lines we would be better and younger now. But let me guess you’re one of the ones that want us to draft Chase next draft. 

Lane and Brooks are great when healthy but they haven't been able to stay healthy.

12 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Funny feeling so meh about a game when a W puts you in 1st place in the division.  Can't ever say that's been the case before for me.

I have a feeling the team plays well tonight.

 

I'm on the fence. I know if they lose and even lose embarrassingly that it will help the long term. I can't root for a loss though. So during the game I'll be upset if they F up and cheer when they score but after the game when they lose I'll be 🤷‍♂️

5 minutes ago, metal said:

I wonder who he pissed off

This team is loyal to a fault for old players that should retire

14 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Idk i think this winds up being like the mnf seattle game in 2005 where it was a demolition. It’s even raining again 

Ahhh what a terrible game. A shutout. Tatupu had a big game for Seattle. He was all over the field and had one of 2 pick 6s in that game. Honored Reggie before kickoff

We are having Tornado warnings in the South jersey/Philly area most of the night. High winds all night

Im guessing Doug calls min 60 pass attempts. Art of surprise, no way the Hawks would expect us to pass that much. 

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Idk i think this winds up being like the mnf seattle game in 2005 where it was a demolition. It’s even raining again 

It was a snow storm that game. I know I was there till the clock hit zero. Sad game seeing them honor Reggie White in that horrific game. 

I never wore that Mitchell and Ness Reggie White Jersey ever again. Still collecting dust in the closet. 

2 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

It was a snow storm that game. I know I was there till the clock hit zero. Sad game seeing them honor Reggie White in that horrific game. 

I never wore that Mitchell and Ness Reggie White Jersey ever again. Still collecting dust in the closet. 

Was an awful game. Rain or snow still elements involved. 

 

Just now, RLC said:

 

Just cancel it

2 minutes ago, Godfather said:

Just cancel it

As Eagles fans, we want that game to go on so the cap increases for 2021. 

Just play it Wednesday and let the Ravens get crushed.

Duce's comments read as they were said, but the interpreting of them is the fun part!  For better or worse, he has exposed where so many of us have been getting around the edges of this season with the coaching setup.  I like Duce a lot, but the lack of schematic variety and a more limited network could make any team hiring him wonder. But....  He can connect with players and seems to understand the motivation part.  If he interviews well....

As for tonight, who cares.  The Seahawks are a bogey team, so no injuries, no brain farts and hope for the best.

Just now, RLC said:

As Eagles fans, we want that game to go on so the cap increases for 2021. 

Just play it Wednesday and let the Ravens get crushed.

I suppose. They'll be fd either way on the cap. 2022 will be the same ish with all that dead money

45 minutes ago, wtfcares said:

Yeah let’s get rid of every good player we have on OL and DL. Maybe then we can be like 70 million under the cap like the Texans and win the Cap Award. Sounds like a great plan. 

Ok.  Let's say the Eagles had none of those guys this year... what difference would it make in the end?  Instead of being 3-6-1, maybe they are 1-9, 2-8?  

Meanwhile, the team is going to be $63M over the cap going into 2021.  They are likely going to have to kick the can on some guys down the road, making 2022 a bit of a problem... and holding on to these guys for 2021 is going to make a huge difference?  They are going to perform better next year than they are this year?   Collectively that is a tough one to buy.

But, let's play it out.  Let's say the Eagles don't move on from these guys in 2021.  How does that change things?  In 2021, they might get 1 or 2 more wins, in a season that's likely going to be a transition year anyway.

Brandon Graham: hold on to him for 2021, for whatever good it will actually do for that season, and in 2022 you now have a carryover dead cap hit of: $12.28M.  

Fletcher Cox: the only player they could likely trade and get anything of value in return, but hold on to him and in 2022 his cap hit (at age 32) is $23.8M.  And the Eagles are still on the hook for another $6.4M in prorated signing bonus money that has been kicked down the road.

Lane Johnson:  A guy who's body is already breaking down... at age 32 would cost $14M, and that cost goes up to $21.3M in 2023.  They could cut bait on him before the 2022 season though, and his cap cost would be a mere $21M in dead money... $7M more than his cap hit would have been.  And how effective will he be in 2021?  More than 2020, likely... but how much more? 

Brandon Brooks:  In 2022, at age 33, Brandon would have a cap hit of $17.5M, or they could just cut him then and have a mere $8.2M in dead cap hit.

 

So, for maybe another win or two in 2021, I am proposing to give the new GM $60M in flexibility for the 2022 year, when they might be able to bring in a 26 year old stud who can be a difference maker on a team poised for a legitimate playoff run (assuming the new coach can fix Wentz), versus trying to hang on with a bunch of over the kill players to squeeze out an extra win or two.  

The approach I suggested is not one of sentimentality, but practicality... and its not about becoming the Texans and having the most cap space, that's a ridiculous strawman you created.  Instead, its about fixing the failures of the past, and working to give the new front office the chance to build something new and sustainable, rather than trying to deal with the ruins of the 2017 championship.  Howie has built on that foundation and that foundation has come crumbling down as these older players have broken down and become far less effective.  This team needs new blood, new ideas and new contracts.  The best way to get that, is to get rid of the old ones.

Has Wentz played well in any inclement weather games? Rained in Cleveland last week and we got a dud. Didn't do anything against NE and SEA last year which I believe were both windy/rainy games. Can't think of any off the top of my head in 2017 and 2018. I don't expect him to throw for 350 yards, but it feels like he really struggles in the elements. 

 

1 hour ago, RLC said:

I want to see a new coaching staff work with some of these guys first. It's financially feasible to do this anyway, so why rush it?

The only one that's not over 30 on that list was Hargrave.  The rest are already past their prime at this point.  That's why.  By 'rushing' it, you might squeak whatever value they might have left on the market out of them, and free up money for signing younger studs in 2022, potentially... players that could be targeted by the new staff to fit their specific system, rather than trying to retrofit old parts.