1 minute ago, vaeagle2 said:

wishful thinking , no one person has failed this team since the superbowl then howie. bad extensions on contracts , failed draft picks. and might i ad that peters has no business on a football field suited up.

Oh Howie is absolutely the biggest issue. This roster is flawed and when you add in that this team is way over the cap I mean that's just simply unacceptable..

1 hour ago, Dwide Schrude said:

Passing on Fulton and Chinn was a big mistake. 

Especially given how they used that 2nd round pick on a gadget QB.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I get slay didn’t play well and deserves criticism. But on the 52 yard reception by DK Metcalf, mcleod is doing nothing on that play. He was sitting in the middle of the field with no one around him, looking in the backfield at Russell Wilson. I’m almost Positive he was supposed to be the deep safety if there was a pass over the top. I’ve watch that play 3 to 4 times it is mind boggling watching Rodney McLeod just sitting there while slay is trailing DK Metcalf and he’s just looking at Russell Wilson. Literally mcleod didn’t do anything on that play  was covering nobody and in no man’s land  

And then down the left side of the field for the 31 yard reception for DK agin McLeod is not doing anything on that play. He’s sitting in the middle of the field and doesn’t react until it’s way too late. Now slay was beat on that play but mcleod on that play again was way too late to react.

I mentioned it after the reception, he just froze.  There was a deep cross to his right which I think he got fixated on making sure Maddox didn't get torched and ended up in no man's land.  He didn't even look to his left at all it seemed.

1 minute ago, Wentz_Era said:

I mentioned it after the reception, he just froze.  There was a deep cross to his right which I think he got fixated on making sure Maddox didn't get torched and ended up in no man's land.  He didn't even look to his left at all it seemed.

McLeod has been average at best this year to be fair. Trouble is average is a pretty high standard in this secondary. 

Thank you always Rodney for this...

You can see your way out too now. 

Option 7 is the correct answer.

https://theathletic.com/2229494/2020/11/30/jeffrey-lurie-howie-roseman-doug-pederson/?amp#click=https://t.co/IXrrwtUDaw

 

1 hour ago, John_C said:

Option 7 is the correct answer.

https://theathletic.com/2229494/2020/11/30/jeffrey-lurie-howie-roseman-doug-pederson/?amp#click=https://t.co/IXrrwtUDaw

I'm with option #7. Punt on 2021, Turn it around in 2022. 

5 hours ago, 315Eagles said:

You ever think Frank Reich watches Wentz play and says wtf happened to him?

I hope he's thinking... let's get him at costs. I can fix him.

 

4 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

No you were absolutely right he wasn't dumb enough. Slay just wasn't good enough. 

Oh and I was exaggerating when I said 80 per quarter. Wasn't far off though. 

Welp, I was wrong and Slay had a rough night. Coverage wasn’t always bad, DK just made every play he needed and Slay didn’t. I still think it was the right defensive gameplan to shut down Lockett and leave Slay on an island the majority of the time, he just has to do a better job and the offense has to actually move the ball against the worst passing defense in the league. 

Leanmean gm with a score prediction of 24-20 Seattle and br3 with a 27-17 Seattle were both 4 points off. Co winners

1 minute ago, In2football said:

Leanmean gm with a score prediction of 24-20 Seattle and br3 with a 27-17 Seattle were both 4 points off. Co winners

Did Avonte Maddox play well or did Wilson just decide not to throw to Lockett?

Did I miss it yet? Has Doug been fired? Would not be surprised if it happens today.

I don't know who predicted it but someone posted that because of the bad weather Peterson would call at least 50 passes

46 passes 14 runs including 5 by Wentz

Well done.

From Sheils article in the Athletic (previously posted link) for any that can’t access.... he does a great job outlining the 7 possible different options Lurie can pursue.  I’ll post the first and the last option.  Very well outlined.  Option 7 is the only viable path if acting in the best interests of the team.

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Option No. 1: Run it back with Pederson and Roseman

What Lurie would be thinking: This was a weird COVID-19 season. Yes, he thought the Eagles were positioned to be much better, but these have been truly unique circumstances. Roseman and Pederson got the Eagles to the playoffs three years in a row and brought the city a Super Bowl title. Lurie can look around the league and see all the bad coaches and general managers being employed by other teams. He could convince himself that the grass isn’t always greener on the other side and be wary about earning the reputation of an owner who starts firing people at the first sign of adversity. It might take some yoga, hot tea and meditation, but perhaps once Lurie distances himself from the disaster of 2020, he decides that Roseman and Pederson are the right people to get the Eagles back on track for 2021.

My take: I can appreciate loyalty, but this would really look like the "I have no new ideas” option. The Eagles are 21-21-1 since their Super Bowl season. Their .500 winning percentage since 2017 ranks tied for 17th with the Browns. They’ve benefited from some lucky breaks, such as playing in a terrible division and playing some terrible quarterbacks but have still been a mediocre team for three consecutive seasons. To run it back and blame the team’s performance on the unusual circumstances of this season would be a mistake. Every team has been playing by the same set of rules, and if anything the Eagles were better positioned than others to handle the shortened offseason given their continuity at quarterback, head coach, defensive coordinator and general manager. It’s possible Lurie feels an attachment to Roseman and Pederson and determines that because the team is pretty much tied to Wentz in 2021, now is not the time for drastic change. This is much different from the Chip Kelly situation when Lurie didn’t feel a personal connection to the person he was firing. Firing Pederson and/or Roseman will be much more difficult for him. However, going this route would mostly signal that Lurie is afraid of change and unsure of a better path forward. That is no way to run an NFL franchise, but I could see Lurie talking himself into this option.

 

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Option No. 7: Blow it up — move on from Pederson and Roseman

What Lurie would be thinking: He wanted the current setup to last. Roseman and Pederson brought him a Super Bowl, and he likes both of them personally. But at some point, he has to recognize it’s not working. The Eagles have been mediocre for three straight seasons. They have advanced past the wild-card round twice in eight years post-Reid (2013-present). They have advanced past the divisional round just once. Lurie has long believed quarterback play and offensive efficiency determine wins and losses. The Eagles are on pace for their worst offensive performance of the post-Reid era. He thought Pederson could recapture his 2017 magic with some new voices on the coaching staff, but that didn’t work. Lurie wants an offensive mind who’s on the cutting edge of what’s next, a trend-setter. With Pederson, he’s watched a coach who is apparently incapable of finding answers. The initial plan when Lurie hired Pederson was to find a coach who could be a quarterback whisperer. But instead, Wentz has performed like one of the league’s worst quarterbacks and regressed in 2020. Pederson has had an incredible run and will forever be a legend in Philadelphia. He has a statue outside The Linc. But that doesn’t mean he’s the right person to lead the Eagles.

As for Roseman, he did a brilliant job of cleaning up Kelly’s mess and building a Super Bowl roster. No one can take that away from him. But over the past three years, he’s built a bad roster. And even worse, the Eagles have little flexibility to improve. It’s tough to identify the area where Roseman gives them a real edge right now. It hasn’t been with trades and free agency. It hasn’t been with the salary cap. It hasn’t been with identifying talent. And it hasn’t been in the draft. The Eagles have a potentially franchise-altering 2021 offseason coming up. It could include a big decision on what to do with Wentz and what to do with a top-10 draft pick. Does Lurie really want Roseman to make those decisions? Especially knowing that Roseman could be incentivized to prioritize short-term gains over long-term results in the interest of job security?

My take: By all accounts, Pederson and Roseman have worked hard. They delivered the city a Super Bowl and have families who will be impacted by whatever Lurie decides. Having said that, it’s a tough business, and there’s a strong case that this is the option that makes the most sense for the franchise. The offense has been a disaster. It has no identity, the play calling has been bad and the quarterback has reached a floor that nobody thought was possible. That’s on Pederson. He gets credit for the team playing hard and staying together, but it’s tough to envision a scenario where Pederson fixes the offensive issues. Football Outsiders has DVOA data going back to 1985. The Eagles rank third worst in the league on offense. The only other time they’ve been that bad during the 36-year span was 1998 when they were second worst. Going into this year, I didn’t think there was a realistic scenario where Pederson would be coaching for his job. But I also didn’t think there was a realistic scenario where the offense would be this bad.

As for Roseman, I realize I’m repeating myself, but the roster is old, expensive and bad, and their cap situation is among the messiest in the league. The 2021 offseason has to be about having a smart vision for the next three to five years. That starts with the draft. It’s not just that the Eagles have failed in identifying talent under Roseman. Every team has misses. But their process has also been unsound. They’ve failed to draft for volume and have spent picks on players with limited upside (Dallas Goedert, Jalen Hurts), given the construction of the roster. They spent two years failing to upgrade at wide receiver via trades and free agency. And they’ve sunk money into unnecessary areas (like Hargrave at defensive tackle), knowing that they face cap challenges in the offseason. Bottom line: Roseman’s decisions over the past three years have played a huge role in where the Eagles are today. And Lurie can’t overlook that.

Finally, there is an advantage to tying the head coach to the general manager and vice versa. You can hire both at the same time and let them know that they’ll either succeed together or fail together. That you’re not interested in power struggles and have no interest in assigning blame if things go badly. It’s going to be a truly collaborative partnership that both parties have to make work. This is the only option that allows for such a dynamic.

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So there you have it. In my opinion, Lurie will most likely be choosing among options 1, 5 and 7. Which option do you think he will choose, and which option do you think he should choose?

At the end of this piece I really appreciated the DVOA references, as this team has reminded me of the 1998 team at times,  just completely inept on offense.  Can’t really do anything well.  Carson doesn’t look much different now than if we were running Bobby Hoying or Rodney Peete out there.  Of course, that year we finished 3-13 and brought Andy Reid and Donovan McNabb in the next year.  The following year we were in the divisional playoffs against the Giants and could have won the game.  Then of course the 4 straight NFC-CGs culminating in the 2004 SB appearance (title stolen by Belicheat during NE high cheating era).

Bottom line this kind of year can be a spring board for much better times ahead.  The most important thing is to look forward and not hang on to the past.

3 hours ago, Dwide Schrude said:

Yeah, I hate to give up on Wentz but at this point I just want to see what there is with Hurts. 12 weeks of Wentz has been enough 

As every single analyst and expert said yesterday it did not matter who the quarterback was they would fail in the system and coaching Doug is showing. Week in and week out Doug refuses to consistently show any effort to run the ball, his receivers fail to get open and he will not scheme them to get open. At this point I actually believe the hype then Doug is trying to get fired.

15 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Welp, I was wrong and Slay had a rough night. Coverage wasn’t always bad, DK just made every play he needed and Slay didn’t. I still think it was the right defensive gameplan to shut down Lockett and leave Slay on an island the majority of the time, he just has to do a better job and the offense has to actually move the ball against the worst passing defense in the league. 

Oh I agree. Metcalf is a monster but let's be honest here we brought Slay in to shut down #1 WRs. It isn't all on Slay of course and I do understand that there are few legit shut down corners in the league but 169 yards? I mean come on that's just not good enough. 

4 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

And it’s pretty obvious. On that sack where we settled for a field goal. We have guys That don’t even know what the play is. Jeffrey runs his route instead of initiating the block for a wide receiver screen until 4 yards down field. (On the picture it looks like he’s blocking. He’s not he got jammed by the corner and then continues his route for another 2 yards and then begins to block) The play called was supposed to be reagor on wide receiver screen. Go look at where Carson Wentz is looking. it’s where reagor should have been on a wide receiver screen and instead reagor is 6-7 yards up the field. If that doesn’t tell you this team is so unprepared that they don’t even know the play that’s being called

 

So after the JJAW debacle we might've drafted another space cadet at WR? Oh joy.

2 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

I don't know who predicted it but someone posted that because of the bad weather Peterson would call at least 50 passes

46 passes 14 runs including 5 by Wentz

Well done.

That was me. Thank you

Technically it was 56 pass plays with his six sacks and his five runs that were passing plays.

I fell into a Twitter rabbit hole last night and found a bunch of clips of Fulgham getting destroyed in press coverage against Seattle. It was really bad. 

What in the world is that route?

Just now, RLC said:

What in the world is that route?

Looks like a wild animal trying to cross the road or something. 

6 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

McLane going off on Howie again

 

 

I dunno, the last paragraph scares me..it sounds like Howie has blamed Lurie for the JJAW pick.  If Lurie has that much say in football decisions then the Eagles are in a lot more trouble that we thought.  I still want a new, real GM and a new coach but Lurie will be the one constant.  You don't want your GM looking over his shoulder wondering what the owner wants you to do.  That's a bad bad sign.  I said it earlier in the year.  For the Eagles to truly get away from the direction they are going, Lurie selling the team would go a long way.  Never going to happen but he's just far too involved.

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

What in the world is that route?

A stop and go, no wait stop, now go, stop again ok go