8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Wentz playing elite football four years ago is not the draw that people think it is. Yes, he’s been a top-10ish QB over 2018-2019, but not so good that this job is attractive.

The only people still high on Wentz are his friends/family members/fans that followed him from college, that seem to dominate these boards and Doug Pederson.  (And a few fans that don't want to toss out his jersey after the end of next season).

There were rumblings that Sean Payton already knew Wentz' weaknesses and how to beat him years ago.  Those weaknesses have been exemplified since his concussion to the point that he is no longer a starting caliber NFL QB.

 

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

It’s a different argument for a few reasons. I’m talking about the optics of firing a SB-winning coach vs the attractiveness of this job. Firing Doug after his first post-SB winning season (which included two playoff appearances) is just one small part of why this job isn’t attractive. The cap, a broken Wentz and a lack of good young players are most concerning.

Wentz playing elite football four years ago is not the draw that people think it is. Yes, he’s been a top-10ish QB over 2018-2019, but not so good that this job is attractive.

Doesn't really seem logically consistent. For it to be so, you'd have to truly believe Doug is a good coach being held back by a bad QB rather than the other way around. I don't think you actually believe that, so either that SB winning season was ages ago, or it was too recent to justify the firing of a SB-winning coach. Pick one or the other, you can't have both.

8 minutes ago, MrGreenBay said:

I’d rather see you guys win that division over the Giants or Cowgirls.

Funny thing is, more and more of us would rather we didn’t lol. 

Just now, EagleJoe8 said:

Funny thing is, more and more of us would rather we didn’t lol. 

I like you guys and hate those 2 teams.

7 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Doesn't really seem logically consistent. For it to be so, you'd have to truly believe Doug is a good coach being held back by a bad QB rather than the other way around. I don't think you actually believe that, so either that SB winning season was ages ago, or it was too recent to justify the firing of a SB-winning coach. Pick one or the other, you can't have both.

Sure I can. Look at it from a HC candidate’s viewpoint. Would you hitch your career to a QB who hasn’t played elite football in four seasons when everything else about the job is unattractive? Do you think this candidate might look at the job and think they’re firing a HC after his first bad season that included a SH win and two other playoff appearances?

Put yourself in their shoes rather than pulling at threads in my argument. And then compare our job to others. 

47 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

How pathetic was that first drive of the game.  They had a 1st and 5 yet went 3 and out in 13 seconds after 3 straight pass attempts.  You knew right then they were losing that game.  Bad coaching, horrible throws from Carson.  Just so much bad all around.  

 

Two drops do not equal "horrible throws from Carson."

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Sure I can. Look at it from a HC candidate’s viewpoint. Would you hitch your career to a QB who hasn’t played elite football in four seasons when everything else about the job is unattractive? Do you think this candidate might look at the job and think they’re firing a HC after his first bad season that included a SH win and two other playoff appearances?

Put yourself in their shoes rather than pulling at threads in my argument. 

yes they absolutely want that opportunity - there are only 32 of these jobs and you theoretically have the most important piece - the QB. Lurie has an excellent reputation

1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

yes they absolutely want that opportunity - there are only 32 of these jobs and you theoretically have the most important piece - the QB. Lurie has an excellent reputation

Look at it this way guys. You won a Super Bowl recently. You guys will bounce back soon.

1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

yes they absolutely want that opportunity - there are only 32 of these jobs and you theoretically have the most important piece - the QB. Lurie has an excellent reputation

The other jobs will have Lawrence, Hebert, Fields and Watson, plus cap space and draft picks (except Houston). 

I normally would agree about Lurie, but I’m not sure anymore. 

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Sure I can. Look at it from a HC candidate’s viewpoint. Would you hitch your career to a QB who hasn’t played elite football in four seasons when everything else about the job is unattractive? Do you think this candidate might look at the job and think they’re firing a HC after his first bad season that included a SH win and two other playoff appearances?

Put yourself in their shoes rather than pulling at threads in my argument. And then compare our job to others. 

I would give your coach another year.

1 minute ago, MrGreenBay said:

Look at it this way guys. You won a Super Bowl recently. You guys will bounce back soon.

i think Reich had a great deal to do with that

8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Sure I can. Look at it from a HC candidate’s viewpoint. Would you hitch your career to a QB who hasn’t played elite football in four seasons when everything else about the job is unattractive? Do you think this candidate might look at the job and think they’re firing a HC after his first bad season that included a SH win and two other playoff appearances?

Put yourself in their shoes rather than pulling at threads in my argument. And then compare our job to others. 

If the QB hasn't played elite football in that time frame, then by that same logic, Doug Pederson hasn't coached elite football since then either. Again here you're trying to paint only one side of this picture. Is the standard elite football or isn't it? And I don't think a candidate's career would be hitched to Wentz at all. He could run with him for a season or two, and then cut bait if it ain't working. 

20 minutes ago, MrGreenBay said:

You guys beat us last year on a Thursday night in Philly.

We aren’t near as good as we were then. And we weren’t that good then. 

Sanders had a 29 percent drop rate going into last night. Yikes. 

1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

i think Reich had a great deal to do with that

Becoming more painfully obvious with each passing week.

1 hour ago, PoconoDon said:

Could we please get Mailata to dwarf toss Howie out of the building?

Thank You in advance!!

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

If the QB hasn't played elite football in that time frame, then by that same logic, Doug Pederson hasn't coaching elite football since then either. Again here you're trying to paint only one side of this picture. Is the standard elite football or isn't it? And I don't think a candidate's career would be hitched to Wentz at all. He could run with him for a season or two, and then cut bait if it ain't working. 

Put all this aside: Where does this job rank among potential openings? What are the positives to this job?

58 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

How pathetic was that first drive of the game.  They had a 1st and 5 yet went 3 and out in 13 seconds after 3 straight pass attempts.  You knew right then they were losing that game.  Bad coaching, horrible throws from Carson.  Just so much bad all around.  

 

And... Alshon was out there on 3rd down.

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Put all this aside: Where does this job rank among potential openings? What are the positives to this job?

Probably a better situation than the rest except for the Texans and maybe the Chargers if Lynn gets the boot.

6 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 I said at the beginning of the off-season if you get slay and you put maddox as your second corner you’re going to look just as bad because teams are just gonna pick on him because he’s not in outside corner. Slay is fine. Going to have good games and minimal bad games from him. He’s still one of the better corners in the league. Bigger issue is maddox. Moore just pulled down the ball over him with ease. And Moore isn’t exactly a great wr

I liked the comment on the telecast "Who’s expecting the fade route to David Moore?”

When the Eagles are starting a 5’6 player at CB?  I was .....

Wentz slurpers: Fire Doug!

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

I liked the comment on the telecast "Who’s expecting the fade route to David Moore?”

When the Eagles are starting a 5’6 player at CB?  I was .....

I was actually surprised on the first drive by the Seahawks when they got inside the 5 they didn’t try to get DK on a mismatch with maddox and use his size against maddox. 

36 minutes ago, MrGreenBay said:

Despite you guys owning us in the 2000s with Mcnabb now we kind of love you guys again.

You only love us for this: 

12 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

If the QB hasn't played elite football in that time frame, then by that same logic, Doug Pederson hasn't coached elite football since then either. Again here you're trying to paint only one side of this picture. Is the standard elite football or isn't it? And I don't think a candidate's career would be hitched to Wentz at all. He could run with him for a season or two, and then cut bait if it ain't working. 

THANK YOU

This X 1 million percent.  I have FAR more faith in Wentz as a QB than Doug as a HC 

Any idea that the Eagles coaching job/GM isn't attractive is crazy.

Philly pays more than Detroit, NYJ, Jacksonville, etc. Lurie also spends more on players/assistant coaches/facilities than those teams.