35 minutes ago, MrGreenBay said:

I’d rather see you guys win that division over the Giants or Cowgirls.

Most of us are coming around to hoping against that... would just cause us trouble with the rebuild.   Watching these Eagles games is like watching the surgery channel... and everything goes wrong and the patient dies... and you know it is going to happen, but you watch anyway to see how it happens this time.

4 minutes ago, xBMTx said:

Wentz slurpers: Fire Doug!

Doug defenders: it’s ok we ran the ball 9 times with our running backs and called 55 pass plays with a struggling pass game.... 

yeah see it doesn’t look particularly great for doug either. Add on his players are unprepared as they don’t even known how tk run the play aka reagor running down the field on a wr screen.

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Any idea that the Eagles coaching job/GM isn't attractive is crazy.

Philly pays more than Detroit, NYJ, Jacksonville, etc. Lurie also spends more on players/assistant coaches/facilities than those teams.

It has merit if you believe there are only 4-5 qualified candidates for NFL head coaching jobs out there, but at this point I’m starting to believe there are at least 4-5 posters on this board who would do a better job than Doug is doing 

I think this game is why you don't give up on Wentz, I mean he had no chance, he tries to go deep and can't get enough on the throw b/c a pass rusher comes free and is right in his face, he tries to dump it off and his RB and WRs drop the ball, he keeps drives alive with his legs only to have false starts put him in a hole. And his WRs can't get open.

I give Reagor a mulligan for this season, between lack of mini-camps, exhibition games and being injured, he simply is behind as a rookie. Fulgham has been exposed, but who really thought that stretch was for real, what he showed is enough talent to be a #2 if they have a #1 that has to be respected. Jeffrey, stick a fork in him, I doubt he can break a 4.7 40 at this point.

But Pederson, Seattle is running crossing routes all game with speed, when do the Eagles every do that? When you can't pass block, why keep calling multiple deep routes, even if someone gets open, Wentz doesn't have the time to find them and set and throw.

Pryor is awful at RT (Driscoll, please get healthy, you're not good with those short arms but you at least can move your feet), and Peters looked lost at RG. Mailata is a work in progress, which would be fine if you had Brooks and Lane on the right side and could give him help. But he's on an island with Pryor at RT and learning on the job is always painful - it's easy to forget this is his third season of any football, experience wise he's a college junior.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Most of us are coming around to hoping against that... would just cause us trouble with the rebuild.   Watching these Eagles games is like watching the surgery channel... and everything goes wrong and the patient dies... and you know it is going to happen, but you watch anyway to see how it happens this time.

 

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

I think this game is why you don't give up on Wentz, I mean he had no chance, he tries to go deep and can't get enough on the throw b/c a pass rusher comes free and is right in his face, he tries to dump it off and his RB and WRs drop the ball, he keeps drives alive with his legs only to have false starts put him in a hole. And his WRs can't get open.

I give Reagor a mulligan for this season, between lack of mini-camps, exhibition games and being injured, he simply is behind as a rookie. Fulgham has been exposed, but who really thought that stretch was for real, what he showed is enough talent to be a #2 if they have a #1 that has to be respected. Jeffrey, stick a fork in him, I doubt he can break a 4.7 40 at this point.

But Pederson, Seattle is running crossing routes all game with speed, when do the Eagles every do that? When you can't pass block, why keep calling multiple deep routes, even if someone gets open, Wentz doesn't have the time to find them and set and throw.

Pryor is awful at RT (Driscoll, please get healthy, you're not good with those short arms but you at least can move your feet), and Peters looked lost at RG. Mailata is a work in progress, which would be fine if you had Brooks and Lane on the right side and could give him help. But he's on an island with Pryor at RT and learning on the job is always painful - it's easy to forget this is his third season of any football, experience wise he's a college junior.

Been a while since I've read an afan post. What's up with your boy, Howie? You think it's time to move on from him, or nah?

 

 

Im sure it's all Wentz's fault. 

21 minutes ago, MrGreenBay said:

I would give your coach another year.

You haven't watched the slow crumbling of this organization over the past 18 months.

27 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Sure I can. Look at it from a HC candidate’s viewpoint. Would you hitch your career to a QB who hasn’t played elite football in four seasons when everything else about the job is unattractive? Do you think this candidate might look at the job and think they’re firing a HC after his first bad season that included a SH win and two other playoff appearances?

Put yourself in their shoes rather than pulling at threads in my argument. And then compare our job to others. 

Other by death or retirement, when do HC jobs open when the QB (team) is playing at an elite level?

41 minutes ago, MrGreenBay said:

You guys beat us last year on a Thursday night in Philly.

That was last year.

Rorschach Test: On Wentz or Reagor?
Watching it live, I thought it was on Reagor. Watching the replay, I felt Wentz just overthrew it. TBF, that's a play you'd rather overthrow than underthrow.

Just now, RLC said:

Any idea that the Eagles coaching job/GM isn't attractive is crazy.

Philly pays more than Detroit, NYJ, Jacksonville, etc. Lurie also spends more on players/assistant coaches/facilities than those teams.

Agree that Lurie is perceived to be a good owner to work for and that the job would be attractive in any season.  He has a solid reputation that he will be heavily engaged, but will not meddle, and will provide the resources necessary to win along with a good work environment.  He has shown he will adapt and make changes to accommodate the needs of different coaches.  Look at what he did for the Visored Moron before realizing he had made a big mistake.  He also favors the structure of head coach and GM reporting to him directly, which I believe is a more appealing structure for coaching candidates.  There is no political middle layer to navigate.  He preaches a "collaborative" approach with the personnel side.

The other aspect that gives the job appeal to most candidates is the passion of the fanbase.  Winning in Philly matters, and will be appreciated and celebrated.  Of course, the opposite is also true.  If you come here and lose, you will struggle to get a sandwich at a Wawa.  That said, it would seem that the vast majority of candidates overwhelmingly prefer a job with a passionate, engaged fanbase to one of the many places where the fans are fairly apathetic, except in times of extraordinary success.  People want to be recognized, and they want their work to matter... especially so if they are going to need to put in a bunch of 80-90 hour work weeks.  That is all about the fan base and the level of engagement.  Multiple people have cited this throughout the years.

This is one of my favorite plays to show off that it's not on the WRs. 

3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

 

Been a while since I've read an afan post. What's up with your boy, Howie? You think it's time to move on from him, or nah?

Howie did a great job salvaging the team from the Kelly debacle, but has to take the fall for awful cap management (Jeffrey), trades and free agent decisions (Darby, Malik Jackson, DeSean, though Slay was solid and Hargrave is coming around, another COVID victim in that he needed exhibition PT to adjust to a completely different DL scheme).

We don't know who wanted to keep patching for another run, but Howie will be the fall guy for refusing to admit the party was over and not rebuilding the roster.

At this point, you need to bring in a GM who can run a complete rebuild (2022, 2023 are lost causes b/c of the need to strip all the high price veterans and eat massive dead money) and a HC who is good at player development, like AR in 1999. Pederson is the wrong guy for that role.

This is my favorite stat to show the receiving targets arent helping

 

Just now, austinfan said:

Howie did a great job salvaging the team from the Kelly debacle, but has to take the fall for awful cap management (Jeffrey), trades and free agent decisions (Darby, Malik Jackson, DeSean, though Slay was solid and Hargrave is coming around, another COVID victim in that he needed exhibition PT to adjust to a completely different DL scheme).

We don't know who wanted to keep patching for another run, but Howie will be the fall guy for refusing to admit the party was over and not rebuilding the roster.

At this point, you need to bring in a GM who can run a complete rebuild (2022, 2023 are lost causes b/c of the need to strip all the high price veterans and eat massive dead money) and a HC who is good at player development, like AR in 1999. Pederson is the wrong guy for that role.

Word. Agreed on all points. Good to see ya, bud.

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

This is one of my favorite plays to show off that it's not on the WRs. 

I'll bet I could find 3 or 4 plays where Russell Wilson didn't see a wide open receiver, if you cherry pick one or two plays you can make any QB look bad.

What usually happens is they see that, and 20 plays later run the same thing, this time the QB knows to look for that WR.

6 minutes ago, RLC said:

Rorschach Test: On Wentz or Reagor?
Watching it live, I thought it was on Reagor. Watching the replay, I felt Wentz just overthrew it. TBF, that's a play you'd rather overthrow than underthrow.

Reagor. His whole game is supposed to be speed. Well, he sure didn't play fast on that particular play. Doesn't do much to locate and reach for the ball on the back end of the play too. Weak effort all around.

7 minutes ago, RLC said:

Rorschach Test: On Wentz or Reagor?
Watching it live, I thought it was on Reagor. Watching the replay, I felt Wentz just overthrew it. TBF, that's a play you'd rather overthrow than underthrow.

Watching that over and over... Reagor slows down as he looks back for the ball... and never gets any separation.  That's just not a good route... 

14 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I think this game is why you don't give up on Wentz, I mean he had no chance, he tries to go deep and can't get enough on the throw b/c a pass rusher comes free and is right in his face, he tries to dump it off and his RB and WRs drop the ball, he keeps drives alive with his legs only to have false starts put him in a hole. And his WRs can't get open.

I give Reagor a mulligan for this season, between lack of mini-camps, exhibition games and being injured, he simply is behind as a rookie. Fulgham has been exposed, but who really thought that stretch was for real, what he showed is enough talent to be a #2 if they have a #1 that has to be respected. Jeffrey, stick a fork in him, I doubt he can break a 4.7 40 at this point.

But Pederson, Seattle is running crossing routes all game with speed, when do the Eagles every do that? When you can't pass block, why keep calling multiple deep routes, even if someone gets open, Wentz doesn't have the time to find them and set and throw.

Pryor is awful at RT (Driscoll, please get healthy, you're not good with those short arms but you at least can move your feet), and Peters looked lost at RG. Mailata is a work in progress, which would be fine if you had Brooks and Lane on the right side and could give him help. But he's on an island with Pryor at RT and learning on the job is always painful - it's easy to forget this is his third season of any football, experience wise he's a college junior.

The problem the Eagles have at wide receiver stems from the horrific plan they had in the off-season just expecting to go into the draft and solve all their WR problems short and long term. They were in a pandemic. You weren’t going to have the normal off-season activities that you have with rookies. Now there’s other teams are getting maximum value out of those wide receivers. However those teams are the Steelers who have been good at developing WRs. The bengals who surprisingly have done a decent job at developing with Boyd and green and some other WRs along the way. Dallas who has done a good job at developing WRs. Minnesota who has developed thielen and diggs recently. So It can happen but the eagles haven’t been good at drafting and developing your wide receivers in normal off-seasons and normal seasons. So expecting three rookies to march out onto the field and have consistency This season was a bad and idiotic plan. Add onto the fact they thought DeSean Jackson was reliable enough to stay on the field which was another bad plan. They should’ve have addressed the position either trade or free agency so you weren’t relying on jjaw, 3 rookies, ward and DeSean. 

as for fulgham I don’t know what he is. Part of the reason is they don’t target the guy in til the fourth quarter when they’re down by double digits. He’s had two targets in the last three games in the first half. And it’s been this way going back to the Steelers game. They just don’t target him it’s all midway through the third or later. It is maddening that he was only out on the field for 52% of the staff and Alshon Jeffery have the same out of snaps. Alshon is not going to be here next year move the F on already. Quit playing this game where you have to prove alshon is worth it. He isn’t what he was and is done here. This is the same garbage they are running with sending peters out there. 

7 minutes ago, RLC said:

Rorschach Test: On Wentz or Reagor?
Watching it live, I thought it was on Reagor. Watching the replay, I felt Wentz just overthrew it. TBF, that's a play you'd rather overthrow than underthrow.

I would've liked to see a better effort by Reagor.

11 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

 

 

Im sure it's all Wentz's fault. 

I don’t care if he’s had 100 drops. Wentz is playing like crap. You can’t defend his atrocious play. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The problem the Eagles have at wide receiver stems from the horrific plan they have in the off-season just expecting to go into the draft and solve all their WR problems short and long term. 

Nah... the problem stems deeper than that, but you are right that they didn't plan well for this season.  But, who gets the blame for that?   Howie, Doug, or Wentz?   The plan falls on the front office and the coaching staff... which is why they need to go.  

Wentz?  He's on a short leash, but as he's on a big contract, he's not going anywhere.  Doug and Howie can be gone and replaced and it wont stop you from starting the rebuild process.

11 minutes ago, RLC said:

Rorschach Test: On Wentz or Reagor?
Watching it live, I thought it was on Reagor. Watching the replay, I felt Wentz just overthrew it. TBF, that's a play you'd rather overthrow than underthrow.

IMO Reagor could have done more to attach the ball, he short armed it.

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

Rorschach Test: On Wentz or Reagor?
Watching it live, I thought it was on Reagor. Watching the replay, I felt Wentz just overthrew it. TBF, that's a play you'd rather overthrow than underthrow.

Wasn't a perfect throw and the corner did enough to disrupt the pass reagor had a free release and one would like to see him make a better play on the ball, I wouldn't look to this play and conclude jefferson over reagor except in this one instance jeffersons height would have helped him on this particular throw. Instead why not run that exact play with fulgham instead.

Again just doug not knowing his personnel,  continuing to mis use his receivers skill sets 

Reagor isn't a contested ball catch guy, he wasn't in college why does doug think he will be now.

Doug has failed to get reagor in space and let him use his speed and quickness, it took doug 12 games to realize he could hand the ball off to reagor on a sweep, if I see one more play where ward gets 2 more yards on a screen or 2 yards on a sweep I may scream.

That doug and his 15 Offensive coaches can't scheme open any WRs like every team in the league does is frustrating, and even if doug could would Wentz make the throw or have time too?

 

This.  These two selections added to Hurts over Chinn will set this team back for years.  Even if you take away the DK pick, now with a top 5 pick, you get Ja'Marr Chase and Justin Jefferson would be the perfect compliment to him.