2 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I don’t care if he’s had 100 drops. Wentz is playing like crap. You can’t defend his atrocious play. 

Carson is playing like crap. Dog is also coaching like crap. But if you want public enemy number one in all of this it’s on howis for building a poorly constructed roster. This has been going south and in the wrong direction over the last two years prior to this year. This roster was not a good roster back in April. There were people on here saying this and people didn’t wanna believe it. Even if wentz was playing well and doug was implementing better plays this team is still far behind being a Super Bowl contender. Wentz would have to be playing like Patrick Mahomes to have this team anywhere close to being a contender. Doug would have to be coaching like reid as well. Which isn’t a realistic expectation because there’s only one Patrick Mahomes just like there’s only one Andy Reid. 

9 minutes ago, RLC said:

This is one of my favorite plays to show off that it's not on the WRs. 

See... that's incorrect.   It shows that it's not all on the WRs.   Everyone seems to be picking and choosing who to blame.  This team is dysfunctional at every level.

Howie - horrible contracts, horrible draft picks.
Doug - horrible game plans, horrible development (putting all coaching concerns on him, as its his responsibility)
Wentz - horrible vision at times, horrible accuracy at others
RB/WR/TE - fumbles, drops, failure to separate
OL - just a disgrace all year
DL - best, most consistent unit outside of Cameron Johnston
LB - maybe getting better now that Gerry is off the field, but not the draft picks... its the UDFAs (revert back to #1)
DB - Only Slay can cover anyone, but even 'Big Play Slay' has come up rather small

 

This team has no direction, no real plan and there's just nonsense going on... The Jalen Hurts piece is just a microcosm of the much bigger problem.  What was the plan?  Who was on board with it?  Just seems like everything is disjointed and scattered.

20 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Other by death or retirement, when do HC jobs open when the QB (team) is playing at an elite level?

Watson is playing at an elite level. 

19 minutes ago, RLC said:

Rorschach Test: On Wentz or Reagor?
Watching it live, I thought it was on Reagor. Watching the replay, I felt Wentz just overthrew it. TBF, that's a play you'd rather overthrow than underthrow.

Reagor just looks slow

Just now, Blazehound said:

Reagor just looks slow

And Jefferson looks like a superstar

9 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I don’t care if he’s had 100 drops. Wentz is playing like crap. You can’t defend his atrocious play. 

LOL, he isn't playing well. Thats true. 

I dont disagree.  I just understand the where's and whys he may not be playing well.

The Oline is a shambles - Most hists sacks aqnd Pressures in the league

The WR's are dreck, they often aren't where they are supposed to be, often dont come back to the ball, have trouble creating separation, take longer to get open, and drop the ball way too often.

The play calling is beyond stoopid. 9 runs?  1 maybe 2 QB roll outs all game long?  

 

I know this isn't your first go round, but blaming this as it's mostly Carsons issue is just wrong, no QB would succeed behind this Oline, throwing to these wr's. Riddick stated that basic fact a few times last night. 

14 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Nah... the problem stems deeper than that, but you are right that they didn't plan well for this season.  But, who gets the blame for that?   Howie, Doug, or Wentz?   The plan falls on the front office and the coaching staff... which is why they need to go.  

Wentz?  He's on a short leash, but as he's on a big contract, he's not going anywhere.  Doug and Howie can be gone and replaced and it wont stop you from starting the rebuild process.

It goes deeper than just this off-season. It goes back over the last two off seasons where they’ve done a horrific job of hitting on the WRs in the draft or bringing in older WRs to solve an issue.

however this off-season they had a chance to add a veteran wide receiver who was young (via FA or trade) and go into the draft to address the position. Instead they only wanted to go into the draft because They only wanted to build a young wide receiver corps so Carson could grow and develop with them. It was a bad plan from the very start. Relying on rookies during a pandemic was a idiotic idea. Rookies normally have inconsistencies and ups and downs. When you throw the fact in that the Eagles have been bad at drafting wide receivers since maclin it doesn’t make for a very good plan overall

It most definitely falls on howie Roseman. And also falls on the coaching staff. This is now the fifth wide receiver coach We have had and they are getting next to no production from their wide receivers except for a small stretch from Travis Fulgham. Otherwise the wide receivers have been mediocre to bad week to week besides that stretch by fulgham. Now some of that is on Carson Wentz having bad throws but some of it is they can’t get open and they’re not running very good routes. I’ll try to find the Twitter clip of A couple fulgham routes last night they were not good 

 

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

It's actually easy

59 drop backs with a makeshift OL and a struggling QB on a windy night

1 or 2 designed roll outs when he strives with them and is known to help strugging QBs

A wasted time out, a penatly and 5 yards trying a terrible experiment with a 2nd round pick

6 runs to arguably a top 10 running back

11 screen plays for "about 20 yards" 

Running plays that the defense knows what's coming(per NFL execs)

JJAW and Reagor instead of JJ and DK

 

 

 

I don't think JJ it DK would look any better in this offense.

DK would look better than JJAW but whose to say doug would know what to do with DK, whose to say Wentz could get him the ball or have the time.

JJ I think is in a good situation where he has defenses focused on stopping cook and thielen and he sees some soft coverages.

His last game without thielen even though he had 2 tds his production was meh on the amount of yards he got on his catches, I imagine JJ in this offense as is with doug and Wentz would look a lot the same as reagor.

I don't think jefferson fixes much and if he were here I'd guess fans would be calling for another WR drafted after him like claypool or higgins.

A WR I'd only as good as his qb and offense and the eagles qb and offense is broken adding jefferson isn't going to automatically fix what's broken.

Fans just like to find something not tangible to blame, it's easy to say jefferson instead of reagor because there is no way to definitely prove or disprove that as it's conjecture, where as one can go down the list of what's wrong with this offense from top to bottom and WR isn't at the top

37 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Probably a better situation than the rest except for the Texans and maybe the Chargers if Lynn gets the boot.

I bet the Jets, even with a terrible owner, is looked at as a more attractive position because of Lawrence. 

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

See... that's incorrect.   It shows that it's not all on the WRs.   Everyone seems to be picking and choosing who to blame.  This team is dysfunctional at every level.

Howie - horrible contracts, horrible draft picks.
Doug - horrible game plans, horrible development (putting all coaching concerns on him, as its his responsibility)
Wentz - horrible vision at times, horrible accuracy at others
RB/WR/TE - fumbles, drops, failure to separate
OL - just a disgrace all year
DL - best, most consistent unit outside of Cameron Johnston
LB - maybe getting better now that Gerry is off the field, but not the draft picks... its the UDFAs (revert back to #1)
DB - Only Slay can cover anyone, but even 'Big Play Slay' has come up rather small

 

This team has no direction, no real plan and there's just nonsense going on... The Jalen Hurts piece is just a microcosm of the much bigger problem.  What was the plan?  Who was on board with it?  Just seems like everything is disjointed and scattered.

Tate - What was the plan?

Avery - What was the plan?

3 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

Reagor just looks slow

Yup, so far, he has not come as advertised, just Like JJAW, Agholor, Jmatt and every other WR we drafted since Maclin. 

Too early to call him a bust, but it aint looking good, and the Eagles track record is making this stand out.....again. 

We are at a point where we just are not clicking at all.....

One play a WR will drop a pass. (Leads the NFL in drops)

One play the OL will get beat and give up a sack (Leads the NFL in sacks)

One play the OL will hold up but no WR can get open causing Wentz to take a sack (Lead the NFL in sacks)

One play Wentz will miss a WR coming open (Happens to every QB but hurts more when our offense isn't hitting) 

One play Wentz will make a dumb decision leads to an INT (Leads the NFL in INTs)

One play Wentz and WR/TE will not be on same page and leads to an INT (Leads the NFL in INTs) 

One play our Play Calling loses his mind setting the team back with dumb play calls

One play we will get a back breaking penalty

 

All these things happen in our offense on a regular basis. To single out one aspect of the team and blame it all on Wentz is idiotic.  To say Wentz is playing well and its everythign else is idiotic.  It is a collective failure on offense from the top all the way down to a player like Hightower. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 However those teams are the Steelers who have been good at developing WRs. The bengals who surprisingly have done a decent job at developing with Boyd and green and some other WRs along the way. Dallas who has done a good job at developing WRs. Minnesota who has developed thielen and diggs recently.

Most of the rookie WRs who stand out are on teams where they're not the primary focus, Lamb, Claypool, etc.

Example, Jefferson is on a team with Cook, 1130 rushing years, 255 receiving, Theilen and Rudolph, 4 of their 5 OL haven't missed a game and Cousins has only been sacked 21 times.

Think he'd put up close to those numbers here?

Higgins is having a nice season in Cincy, he's the deep threat in a short passing game, RBs have 55 catches, Boyd, AJ Green.

Looking at the list of yardage leaders, WR is a young man's game, no one over 28 until you get to Jones, 20th on the list. The only two other guys over 30 in the top 40 or so are Beasley and Theilen, possession WRs. This makes the extension to Jeffrey look even dumber. And why the did the right thing, "carpet bombing" WRs last draft, and why they need to continue to do so, you want a stable of athletic but skilled guys in their early to mid-20s.

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

See... that's incorrect.   It shows that it's not all on the WRs.   Everyone seems to be picking and choosing who to blame.  This team is dysfunctional at every level.

Howie - horrible contracts, horrible draft picks.
Doug - horrible game plans, horrible development (putting all coaching concerns on him, as its his responsibility)
Wentz - horrible vision at times, horrible accuracy at others
RB/WR/TE - fumbles, drops, failure to separate
OL - just a disgrace all year
DL - best, most consistent unit outside of Cameron Johnston
LB - maybe getting better now that Gerry is off the field, but not the draft picks... its the UDFAs (revert back to #1)
DB - Only Slay can cover anyone, but even 'Big Play Slay' has come up rather small

 

This team has no direction, no real plan and there's just nonsense going on... The Jalen Hurts piece is just a microcosm of the much bigger problem.  What was the plan?  Who was on board with it?  Just seems like everything is disjointed and scattered.

This all points to dysfunctional coaching/team management. This is where the changes nee to be made- at the top. 

1 minute ago, Desertbirds said:

Tate - What was the plan?

Avery - What was the plan?

Yup.  

 

Wentz is gonna go somewhere else and light it up.

Tannehill sucked in Miami too.

1 minute ago, Ipiggles said:

This all points to dysfunctional coaching/team management. This is where the changes nee to be made- at the top. 

Agreed.   If either Doug or Howie survive this season, then Lurie needs to be held accountable and fans need to make him pay where it hurts...   no more money for him.

4 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Tate - What was the plan?

Avery - What was the plan?

Plan?

We don't need no steenkin plan.

8 hours ago, MrGreenBay said:

Still they didn’t win the Super Bowl lol. I come in peace buddy. I’m not here to talk crap.

Rodgers is always fun to watch when not playing against us

3 hours ago, RLC said:

Alshon had way too many snaps

34 minutes ago, RLC said:

Any idea that the Eagles coaching job/GM isn't attractive is crazy.

Philly pays more than Detroit, NYJ, Jacksonville, etc. Lurie also spends more on players/assistant coaches/facilities than those teams.

Lurie just wasted money on a committee of OCs lol

26 minutes ago, RLC said:

Rorschach Test: On Wentz or Reagor?
Watching it live, I thought it was on Reagor. Watching the replay, I felt Wentz just overthrew it. TBF, that's a play you'd rather overthrow than underthrow.

Where's this speed that Reagor is supposed to have?

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I bet the Jets, even with a terrible owner, is looked at as a more attractive position because of Lawrence. 

Yeah, true, that Jets offense loaded with so much talent that they're putting up a whopping *checks notes* ...13.8 pts per game.

Doug is lost as a personnel guy and as a play caller. None of the pass catchers are ever used correctly. 

 even when Alshon was healthy he got little to no jump balls/fades in the redzone. Those were drawn up for Aghlolor. 

Ward Jr gets all the quick plays that should be drawn up for Reagor/Hightower

Now Reagor is getting jump balls were he’s asked to out muscle DBs who are blanketing him. 
 

its painfully obvious pederson is just a block head with a visor on at this point and he’s not even the guy I would fire first smh 

What time do owners usually do the firings?

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Jefferson would be on a team with Miles Sanders/Ertz/Goedart lol. 

People think Sanders stinks, he's actually good. In fact, I take him over Cook 

Not this season, his running is fine when they can block (every other game at best) but he was supposed to be a top receiving back (and where he's most dangerous), but he's got a bad case of the dropsies, maybe he's just trying too hard to make a big play and takes his eye off the ball, but that's a QB killer (b/c if you can consistently get 5-6 yards on dump offs, you'll be consistently in 2nd and 3rd and short rather than 3rd and long).

7 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Most of the rookie WRs who stand out are on teams where they're not the primary focus, Lamb, Claypool, etc.

Example, Jefferson is on a team with Cook, 1130 rushing years, 255 receiving, Theilen and Rudolph, 4 of their 5 OL haven't missed a game and Cousins has only been sacked 21 times.

Think he'd put up close to those numbers here?

Higgins is having a nice season in Cincy, he's the deep threat in a short passing game, RBs have 55 catches, Boyd, AJ Green.

Looking at the list of yardage leaders, WR is a young man's game, no one over 28 until you get to Jones, 20th on the list. The only two other guys over 30 in the top 40 or so are Beasley and Theilen, possession WRs. This makes the extension to Jeffrey look even dumber. And why the did the right thing, "carpet bombing" WRs last draft, and why they need to continue to do so, you want a stable of athletic but skilled guys in their early to mid-20s.

I don’t disagree with the fact those WRs are not the primary targets for their teams or asked to be the no. 1 wr.

However the problem is you don’t have a number one wide receiver with any experience so you just going into the draft saying we’re gonna build our wide receiving corps and they’re going to produce in 2020 was a bad plan because you don’t have the luxury of having one of those good wide receivers so that they can come along at their own rate and not be counted on to be the guy from the start. That’s the difference between those teams doing that with the draft and the eagles. You can carpet bomb every single draft trying to get a wide receiver except for the fact you trying to rely on a rookie wide receiver to be your top guy is going to fail. On top of it relying on DeSean Jackson like he’s going to be a number one wide receiver for you at 33 is beyond idiotic. You had a chance to add a young productive wide receiver in Robbie Anderson who was 27. If you have him here right now he’s you’re number one and maybe Jalen reagor doesn’t feel the pressure of having to be the number one

I don’t know where did I say those guys would be having the production here that they have another places? I never said that. What I said the Eagles have been atrocious at drafting and developing wide receivers. And those organizations over the last 5 to 10 years have done a good job at drafting and developing the wide receivers. So the Eagles just assuming going into the draft that they were going to come out with productive wide receivers in year one was foolish. Add on she’ll Kaparia discuss how idiotic it was based off the numbers over the course of five seasons how rookie wide receivers fared in the league. You were far more likely to be in the binder in now then you were to get Justin Jefferson production. 

again I said the other day just because you switch  reagor and aiyuk doesn’t mean you’re going to get the production Brandon aiyuk in San Francisco under Kyle Shanahan in philly.

Also to your point of its all young guys in the top 30. There’s only three rookies in the top 30 of receiving yards. The rest are guys who have been drafted and developed and have experience. And the guys who are in the top 30 who are rookies have a number one wide receiver playing opposite of them. So you can keep carpet bombing every draft for wide receivers but if you’re going to rely on rookie wide receivers to be you’re number one wide receiver you are going to likely have issues unless you hit a homerun. Even DK Metcalf last year had Tyler Lockett

Just now, austinfan said:

Not this season, his running is fine when they can block (every other game at best) but he was supposed to be a top receiving back (and where he's most dangerous), but he's got a bad case of the dropsies, maybe he's just trying to hard to make a big play and takes his eye off the ball, but that's a QB killer (b/c if you can consistently get 5-6 yards on dump offs, you'll be consistently in 2nd and 3rd and short rather than 3rd and long).

Agreed. Still has a bright future, he is just trying too hard right now or overthinking things because his hands have been iffy