15 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

How is this a bad decision?  Its bad execution, the decision was good

He had a 1 yard route open but the shot to Goeddert was there and they got a huge penalty from this

16 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

How is this a bad decision?  Its bad execution, the decision was good

He had a 1 yard route open but the shot to Goeddert was there and they got a huge penalty from this

I don't remember them getting a penalty 

It's a bad decision from the onset, reagor was open pre snap, he even waves his hand as he goes down the field he's about 15-20 yards downfield with no one with in 5 yards of him underneath him on the same side of the field fulgham is wide open with no one near him either.

Wentz takes the snap and doesn't even look to that side of the field stares down goedert and under throws into double coverage when he had two un covered guys on the other side of the field and knew pre snap that reagor wasn't covered.

The throw to reagor should have been an obvious read and pitch and catch and Wentz doesn't even look his way.

If one bases decisions based on probabilities then a wide open pre snap reagor has a high probability of completion where as a throw into double coverage to goedert has a lower probability of completion.

Now no one expects a qb to base all his decisions on probabilities on the fly but when when gets the gift of an uncovered WR pre snap the qb should be able to calculate that probable success fairly quickly and consistently, that Carson didn't is a huge problem and a poor decision.

2 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

I would add that our receivers seem incapable of beating press coverage.

This is true. The offense also doesn’t cater to what each of our receivers does well. Why I pointed out earlier we are running fade routes to jalen reagor against bradberry. What planet does that make sense? That is not his bread and butter. If anybody on this team is capable of doing that route affectively it is Travis fulgham or Alshon Jeffery. Yet we have the idea that Jalen reagor is best suited for that in the biggest moment of the game

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

It’s not even just teams pressuring the Eagles. Some of the reasons why Carson Wentz is holding the ball so long is because we are doing slow developing plays. I ask if people are on the Doug pederson could do no wrong bandwagon like he has no blame, why are we calling slow developing plays with only two starting offensive lineman out on the field and another playing guard for the first time in his career. And one of the starting offensive lineman has an elbow issue

I don't know what it is, but Carson struggles against zone D. His decision making issues seems to be from confusion against zone or his inability to hit receivers in intermediate vertical gaps over the LB's and in front of the safeties. My two cents...The Eagles O is based on continuity spread principles. Stretch the D horizontally and force them into M-M matchups. The concepts only work if the OL is handling the DL straight up. With a weak OL, extra players are used in the formation for blocking allowing teams to blitz and play zone D. It all starts with the OL taking care of business which it is not.

24 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

they got a huge penalty from this

That was not the penalty play.  The penalty was on the drive that Wentz was picked off in the endzone as they were going right to left on TV.  This play there were going left to right on TV.

The play in that tweet was in the first quarter

11 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

It all starts with the OL, the entire offensive scheme is built around having a strong OL. The re are chunks of the playbook currently unavailable because the talent is not there on the OL.

The reason there are "chunks of the playbook missing" is because Carson Wentz has lost the ability to go through his reads so Doug Pederson has simplified the offense in order to help Wentz make plays.  He has been calling a "vanilla offense" because of Wentz, NOT the offensive line:
 

Carson Wentz is struggling this season and with the Eagles needing their star quarterback to snap out of his slump, Doug Pederson has reportedly "dumbed down” the offensive playbook to help give his signal-caller some confidence per a report from Mike Kaye of NJ.com.

According to a person with knowledge of the Eagles’ plans, head coach Doug Pederson and his offensive assistants have tried to design plays to create at least one open receiver immediately after the snap and have encouraged Wentz to throw to that receiver for several reasons:

– The strategy eliminates Wentz’s need to run through progressions, which inexplicably has proven challenging for a quarterback in his fifth season;

The Eagles star has been sacked a league-leading 40 times, leads the NFL with 14 interceptions, and is one of the lowest graded signal-callers in the entire NFL.

With head coach Doug Pederson hearing the calls for his job, Monday night could be Wentz’s final shot at righting the ship before the Eagles make a change.

Wentz is completing almost 59% of his passes for 2,326 yards and 14 touchdowns to go along with his league-leading double figures interception rate.

https://theeagleswire.usatoday.com/2020/11/26/philadelphia-eagles-dumb-down-playbook-carson-wentz/

 

 

20 minutes ago, RLC said:

Lots of plays with good protection in spread sets.

It's. The. QB.

It's not even a discussion at this point.

We're in the harm reduction phase. Either start Hurts or run the ball 75 percent of the time. Can't let this guy keep dropping back.

43 minutes ago, RLC said:

I could not disagree more with this.

The play-calling is bad and the QB is a mess. It's not because of the OL. Wentz got good protection last night...and it didn't matter.

Uh what?

He absolutely did not have good protection last night

 

4 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

I would add that our receivers seem incapable of beating press coverage.

Tough to beat coverage when the defense knows exactly where one is going.

There have been multiple reports the last few years that defenses know what the eagles are doing and that they are predictable. Doug's offense does Carson and the WRs zero favors add on that the O line can't block and we get what we've seen this year, really bad offense.

 

We've been spoiled by good to great OL play since 2016. 

Which OL played better last night: Philly or Seattle?

5 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

You guys are funny that you literally pick one or two plays each game out of almost 60 pass attempts a game. You're not going to find the open man every single play LOL. Watch the rest of the NFL and their quarterbacks you'll see the same thing. Now you want to show me 15 or 20 plays out of the 60ish with players completely open then you actually have something going

We are under the assumption that they actually watch other teams around the NFL. I will give you the Carolina Panthers as the perfect example here. The Carolina Panthers do not have a very good oline. In fact they traded away their best offensive line this off-season.

Now they don’t look nearly as bad as they have all year because Matt ruhle and Joe Brady have gotten creative with what they are doing with Teddy Bridgewater. They are moving the pocket for him. They’re getting guys in motion handoff and motion tosses to get the ball out faster so that offense of line isn’t blocking for long periods of time. They have gotten Curtis Samuel running crossing routes and motion sweeps and other creative pre-snap motion to confuse the defense. They’ve even called rollouts for Teddy Bridgewater. Didn’t even gone to a wildcat offense at times. Do you wanna know why Teddy Bridgewater has looked good this year because I’ve got a creative with how they are blocking for him, they’re running backs have actually done a pretty good job in blitz protection even with Christian McCaffrey only playing three games and they have given him adequate wide receivers and utilize those wide receivers to their strengths. Added bonus even with mccaffrey out they don’t abandon the run  where they have 53 pass attempts and 9 rushes by RBs

Meanwhile we have the Philadelphia Eagles are playing with a makeshift offensive line trying to run slow developing plays, having wide receivers run route that isn’t their specialty at critical times and do little pre-snap motion 

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

Shakes my head that people are ok with ignoring all the terrible things Doug does but can nit pick plays like this,

 

1) This is not nit-picking. It's an easy read for any QB. Cover 3 is their base defense and a standard NFL coverage. 
2) Doug called the correct play! He got 2 verticals on one free safety. 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

FWIW, outside of the personnel groupings at WR, Kist and Solak thought Doug was good from a playcalling perspective last night. 

9 runs would say otherwise 

o runs on the first 3 plays with a 1st and 5 to start the game- 3 incomplete passes.  I would have called at least 1, maybe 3 runs in a row

4 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

I don't know what it is, but Carson struggles against zone D. His decision making issues seems to be from confusion against zone or his inability to hit receivers in intermediate vertical gaps over the LB's and in front of the safeties. My two cents...The Eagles O is based on continuity spread principles. Stretch the D horizontally and force them into M-M matchups. The concepts only work if the OL is handling the DL straight up. With a weak OL, extra players are used in the formation for blocking allowing teams to blitz and play zone D. It all starts with the OL taking care of business which it is not.

I don’t disagree with your assessment that Carson has not played well again zones. And like you said confusion or just inability to hit WRs at times. I don’t think he’s played well all season. I thought the Steelers game and the ravens game was a little bit of fools gold because it got down by so much that the other teams took their foot off the pedal.

but I am hundred percent agree with your assessment that the Eagles offense of line is not getting it done. I went back and watch that game two times after the game was over the right side of the line was really bad last night. The website of the line I thought was OK. They weren’t great but they were much better than the right side of the line.

I would add a running backs in pass protection and blitz pick up have been really bad this year. I know people think they brought Jordan Howard back to be the short yardage back but I think they brought it back as a trust him in pass protection where as Miles Sanders and Boston Scott have not been good in this area so far this year. Both have regressed. 

22 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Good luck getting people to admit that around here.  

Like anyone is saying Wentz is playing great, pretty sure most in here agree he is struggling.

 

It's the why, we are in debate of. 

14 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

This is true. The offense also doesn’t cater to what each of our receivers does well. Why I pointed out earlier we are running fade routes to jalen reagor against bradberry. What planet does that make sense? That is not his bread and butter. If anybody on this team is capable of doing that route affectively it is Travis fulgham or Alshon Jeffery. Yet we have the idea that Jalen reagor is best suited for that in the biggest moment of the game

Yup, I remember at the time of that play and I'm thinking why in the heck are we throwing back shoulder fades to our shortest WR against the giants best corner?

It's a must have play and Doug and his 15 coaches come up with,  let's throw a back shoulder fade to our shortest receiver against their best corner???

That's stupid stuff.

I'm tired of hearing how the WRs can't get separation or catch blah blah blah.

Andy Reid won playoff games with thrash and Pinkston as his two WRs and one playoff game with Pinkston thrash and Darnell Autry in the backfield.

A group of Sanders goedert reagor fulgham jeffrey hightower should be able to move the ball in a pass happy league that favors passing they should be able to get at least 1 first down in 5 drives, not to mention Ertz as well whom they couldn't move the ball with.

I put minimal blame in the receivers and the majority on doug and Wentz.

20 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

I agree that they need to get Wentz outside of the pocket more, but the bottom line is that if you can't produce from inside the pocket somewhat consistently, you're not going to be a productive quarterback. They're not rolling Wentz out enough, but that's more of a band-aid than a long-term solution. That's basically all Baker Mayfield is for Cleveland. I have higher expectations than Baker Mayfield for Wentz. 

25 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup, I remember at the time of that play and I'm thinking why in the heck are we throwing back shoulder fades to our shortest WR against the giants best corner?

It's a must have play and Doug and his 15 coaches come up with,  let's throw a back shoulder fade to our shortest receiver against their best corner???

That's stupid stuff.

I'm tired of hearing how the WRs can't get separation or catch blah blah blah.

Andy Reid won playoff games with thrash and Pinkston as his two WRs and one playoff game with Pinkston thrash and Darnell Autry in the backfield.

A group of Sanders goedert reagor fulgham jeffrey hightower should be able to move the ball, they should be able to get at least 1first down in 5 drives, not to mention Ertz as well whom they couldn't move the ball with.

I put minimal blame in the receivers and the majority on doug and Wentz.

The majority of the blame definitely goes on Doug and Carson. To me this offense it looks even worse because I don’t think they’re calling very good play and they’re running plays that don’t match the personnel that they currently have. And Carson Wentz is it playing very well and he’s making bad decisions and poor throws. Both of those things if they were corrected they would look at least competent. Do I think they would be a Super Bowl contender? No. This roster is flat out just not good enough. I said it in April and I’ll say it now they are an 8-8 team if they were healthy and Carson Wentz is playing relatively well. It is a flawed roster that has gone the wrong direction because howie Roseman has done a poor job at his job. It’s compounded by doug and Carson being bad this year. 

6 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Like anyone is saying Wentz is playing great, pretty sure most in here agree he is struggling.

 

It's the why, we are in debate of. 

His concussion.  Wentz has not been the same player since his concussion.  Why so many people refuse to admit that is beyond reason.

His reactions are delayed, he's not seeing the field, his throws are off-target and he's not going through his progressions.  It's beyond obvious that concussion has had a lasting affect on his ability to play QB.  It's both troublesome and saddening, tbh.

4 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I agree that they need to get Wentz outside of the pocket more, but the bottom line is that if you can't produce from inside the pocket somewhat consistently, you're not going to be a productive quarterback. They're not rolling Wentz out enough, but that's more of a band-aid than a long-term solution. That's basically all Baker Mayfield is for Cleveland. I have higher expectations than Baker Mayfield for Wentz. 

Rolling out and completing passes gets the QB in a rhythm.

5 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

9 runs would say otherwise 

o runs on the first 3 plays with a 1st and 5 to start the game- 3 incomplete passes.  I would have called at least 1, maybe 3 runs in a row

Yup and all 3 of those passes were off accuracy wise.

Inexcusable to have a struggling qb throw the ball almost 50 times and pass 3 times in a row after a 1st and 5

 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

His concussion.  Wentz has not been the same player since his concussion.  Why so many people refuse to admit that is beyond reason.

His reactions are delayed, he's not seeing the field and he's not going through his progressions.  It's beyond obvious that concussion has had a lasting affect on his ability to play QB.  It's both troublesome and saddening, tbh.

I don't really get this logic and I know it keeps coming up. Are you saying that he's not medically there or are you saying that he's gun-shy because of the concussion? Because if he's still suffering symptoms of a concussion, that's a medical issue and he probably has to stop playing football. Guys suffer concussions all the time and come back fine. I know it can be a serious injury and it hits guys differently as far as recovery, but we're almost a year into when Wentz suffered his. But if you're saying that he's still gun-shy, I don't buy that either because he's still running and putting his body into harm's way week in and week out. 

21 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Good luck getting people to admit that around here.  

Admit what?  That the QB is not perfect?  Wow, you win, lets bench him then

The majority of the time Wentz drops back to pass, the defense has a good idea of the play we're running, Carson has no idea which receivers, if any, will win on their route (or even run the correct route), whether or not he'll have a free rusher from a missed block or assignment, and who is even in the game to throw or hand off to.  Oh, and Doug likes to get playcalls in late so there is little time to make presnap reads/adjustments.  Oh and sometimes Kelce will fire a snap into orbit randomly.  

 

When somehow all of those factors work in the Eagles favor, and Wentz gets a legitimate shot to make a throw, we as a fan base are now expecting him to never make a mistake.  He cant miss a read or a throw or else we scream to bench him.   

Its gotten to the point where he literally cant make a mistake or he is destroyed.  And we wonder why, mysteriously, hes not playing well.

 

And when absolutely everything goes right, and Wentz has a chance and makes a good throw, theres a fair chance that either the ball is dropped or the receiver does nothing with the catch and its a 4 yard gain.  And the house of cards must be built again the next play.

Our offense can be summarized as repeatedly building small houses of cards all the way down the field.