15 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Good luck getting people to admit that around here.  

What you're seeing is a QB who isn't comfortable going through progressions b/c he doesn't trust either his blocking or his receivers, that is, he focuses on what he thinks will be open instead of calming surveying the field and firing to an open target. We've seen this on lots of teams where good QBs regress b/c they can't get into a rhythm due to a fall off in the talent around them.

One reason Carson probably plays better in an up tempo is that it becomes a snap/pass rhythm, he has less time to think and fewer options, and the defense is easier to read.

 

Just now, Ace Nova said:

His concussion.  Wentz has not been the same player since his concussion.  Why so many people refuse to admit that is beyond reason.

His reactions are delayed, he's not seeing the field and he's not going through his progressions.  It's beyond obvious that concussion has had a lasting affect on his ability to play QB.  It's both troublesome and saddening, tbh.

I/You dont know if its his concussion or not. 

WHAT WE DO KNOW:

Oline stinks due to multiple injuries and reliance of old/oft injured guys

WR's stink- mainly because of reliance on old oft injured players and inability to draft young talent- 

Play calling stinks- Stubborn coaching staff refuses to focus on run game and moving the pocket to help struggling QB, Oline and WR's

 

Now, some just say it's the QB. and others like me say, no, the whole freaking team sucks, there is a reason Wentz lost his confidence, the team sucks.

 

The difference between some of us: Some of us realize NO QB WILL PLAY WELL behind this oline throwing to these wrs

 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

FWIW, outside of the personnel groupings at WR, Kist and Solak thought Doug was good from a playcalling perspective last night. 

What’s amazing about that now that I’ve had more time to digest it, how do you have good playcalling when you don’t have the right personal groupings out there to go with the play. What good is a good play call if you don’t have personnel that could run it effectively. Doug is in charge of that so you can’t have good playcalling when you’re not running the right personnel with the playcalling. Those two things go hand-in-hand. This would be the equivalent of i rented an award winning movie on VHS even though I have a 4K player. So I rented a great movie but I can’t watch it in all it’s glory. 

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

because when he's put in the right positions he does just fine. 

Looked just fine when they ran uptempo

Looked just fine when he rolls out

Looked just fine when he played "hero ball" 

He didn't "look fine" when they ran "up tempo".  He went from being abysmal to adequate and unfortunately, Wentz has played so poorly this year we think he's playing "well" when he begins to play average.

Those "up tempo" scoring drives were aided by several penalties, despite Wentz underthrowing/missing several passes on that drive.  And yes, him running and playing "hero ball" helped but if that's the only way Wentz can sustain drives, good luck with that lasting over a 16 game season.

 

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

What you're seeing is a QB who isn't comfortable going through progressions b/c he doesn't trust either his blocking or his receivers, that is, he focuses on what he thinks will be open instead of calming surveying the field and firing to an open target. We've seen this on lots of teams where good QBs regress b/c they can't get into a rhythm due to a fall off in the talent around them.

One reason Carson probably plays better in an up tempo is that it becomes a snap/pass rhythm, he has less time to think and fewer options, and the defense is easier to read.

 

Thank you- it's great to see some people who still can use logic and reason. 

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

 

Our offense can be summarized as repeatedly building small houses of cards all the way down the field. 

Yes! I approve of your analogy.

The Monday night crew sums up the issues with the Eagles perfectly

 

4 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I don't really get this logic and I know it keeps coming up. Are you saying that he's not medically there or are you saying that he's gun-shy because of the concussion? Because if he's still suffering symptoms of a concussion, that's a medical issue and he probably has to stop playing football. Guys suffer concussions all the time and come back fine. I know it can be a serious injury and it hits guys differently as far as recovery, but we're almost a year into when Wentz suffered his. But if you're saying that he's still gun-shy, I don't buy that either because he's still running and putting his body into harm's way week in and week out. 

Yes, I'm saying the elephant in the room is that Wentz is not "medically there".  

5 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Admit what?  That the QB is not perfect?  Wow, you win, lets bench him then

The majority of the time Wentz drops back to pass, the defense has a good idea of the play we're running, Carson has no idea which receivers, if any, will win on their route (or even run the correct route), whether or not he'll have a free rusher from a missed block or assignment, and who is even in the game to throw or hand off to.  Oh, and Doug likes to get playcalls in late so there is little time to make presnap reads/adjustments.  Oh and sometimes Kelce will fire a snap into orbit randomly.  

 

When somehow all of those factors work in the Eagles favor, and Wentz gets a legitimate shot to make a throw, we as a fan base are now expecting him to never make a mistake.  He cant miss a read or a throw or else we scream to bench him.   

Its gotten to the point where he literally cant make a mistake or he is destroyed.  And we wonder why, mysteriously, hes not playing well.

 

And when absolutely everything goes right, and Wentz has a chance and makes a good throw, theres a fair chance that either the ball is dropped or the receiver does nothing with the catch and its a 4 yard gain.  And the house of cards must be built again the next play.

Our offense can be summarized as repeatedly building small houses of cards all the way down the field. 

The OFFENSE HAS BEEN SIMPLIFIED FOR WENTZ.

 

7 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Wents is struggling...  Top things to help a struggling qb...

run the ball lol

Short, easy passes(i.e. the 4 drops by miles sanders)

Smart decisions(kicking the field goal on 4th and 4 when you need a FG)

 

 

Reid has more creativity in his pinky than Doug does. 

 

Yup.

I used to always say that chip kelly had a super tecmo bowl play book he just ran it at break neck speed.

I think Doug has the same 8 play play book but only uses 6 of those plays 4 passes 2 runs and picks them with his eyes closed.

 

15 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

 

Sanders dropped a few passes last night.  But he also caught a few.  Surely he needs to improve the catching ability.  Wentz also had ball placement and accuracy issues.  Quite a few passes were behind or short/under-throw to the receivers.   

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

Yes, I'm saying the elephant in the room is that Wentz is not "medically there".  

Well then that's on Wentz and that's pretty irresponsible of his future well-being if that's the case and he's keeping mum on it. 

8 minutes ago, austinfan said:

What you're seeing is a QB who isn't comfortable going through progressions b/c he doesn't trust either his blocking or his receivers, that is, he focuses on what he thinks will be open instead of calming surveying the field and firing to an open target. We've seen this on lots of teams where good QBs regress b/c they can't get into a rhythm due to a fall off in the talent around them.

One reason Carson probably plays better in an up tempo is that it becomes a snap/pass rhythm, he has less time to think and fewer options, and the defense is easier to read.

 

Agree with this. He's mentally cooked and needs a reset and it's why I'd rather see what he can do with another coach than what Pederson can do with another quarterback. 

A concussion isn't like any other injury. If you break a bone you can see when it's healed. If you tear an ACL you can fix it and rehab it. We still know very little about traumatic brain injuries. I'm not saying that's what's wrong with Carson but I think it might be part of his issues. He does seem to be processing things slower and not seeing things he normally would be this season. 

14 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

He didn't "look fine" when they ran "up tempo".  He went from being abysmal to adequate and unfortunately, Wentz has played so poorly this year we think he's playing "well" when he begins to play average.

Those "up tempo" scoring drives were aided by several penalties, despite Wentz underthrowing/missing several passes on that drive.  And yes, him running and playing "hero ball" helped but if that's the only way Wentz can sustain drives, good luck with that lasting over a 16 game season.

 

Your agenda is showing. The first scoring drive was almost completely uptempo. They drove 75 yards and there was one 5 yard penalty for illegal use of hands. The rest was the offense moving even though they tried to derail themselves with a snap over Carson’s head that went 30 yards behind the LOS. He also only had 3 incompletions that entire drive. 

The drive where they moved the ball due to penalties didn’t even result in points.

6 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

False. Now you're just being a hater. That Alshon ball was just about perfect and the first ball hit Miles in the ****, guess it could of been an inch higher lol 

The Alshon ball was too far out in front of him, should have caught it but it was off. 

None of the 3 passes were egregiously off target but all 3 were inaccurate enough that the degree of difficulty was more than it needed to be.

I don't think it's much of a stretch to suggest that Wentz is inconsistent accuracy wise, I can't imagine too many would argue that.

Were the passes catchable? Sure, could they have been better passes? Yes.

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

1) 3 of Seattles drivers were aided by several penalties(most scoring drives are) 

2) Running and playing hero ball got Mahomes 500M, an MVP and a Superbowl

3) I watched Russ "cook" last night and he was far from perfect. Over throw more than a couple and under throw them too. Weird, QB's arent perfect

 

But let me ask you this... 

1) why did it take Doug so long to go uptempo

2) why does Doug refuse to run the ball

3) why does Doug refuse to roll Wentz out

4) Why does Doug have Alshon on the field

Want me to keep going...

i meant that Wentz would likely get hurt if he continues to run hero ball.  (based on his injury history)

 

And don't worry, I'm frustrated with Pederson as well.  It's inexcusable to keep a struggling QB playing 11 weeks into the season at the detriment to the rest of your team.  At some point you need to put the team first.  

The Eagles defense came out and made huge stop after huge stop last night only to be let down by an offense that hasn't looked good in close to 12 months now. 

There was one play at the end of the game when the game was still within reach, I forget it if was 3rd down or not but DP decided that a 3 TE set with Caleb Wilson as the best play they could come up with.  Why he played 5 snaps is beyond me.  

Really glad they brought Avery off the IR to play 0 defensive snaps.

 

A few positives.

-Mailata is a player.  He wasn't perfect but this is exactly why he needed to be playing instead of JP.  Let him learn from experience, not watching.

-Davion Taylor made a heck of a hit on ST.  First hit I've seen in a while that actually made me say WOW out loud.  I still think he was a horrible pick in the 3rd round but if he can develop in to a ST demon I'll take it.  I want more from a 3rd rounder but that was something finally.

-Alex Singleton...I still don't know what he is or what his potential is in the NFL but he makes 2-3 plays a game that stand out.  He plays behind the LOS.

-Josh Sweat continues to play well.  The play where he got turned around, jumped over the lineman on the ground and still got to Wilson was encouraging because of the pivoting and pressure it put on his knee.  He showed no issues.  I think he can start next year.

-Barnett...great game.  We had several discussions this week if he's worth the $10 million.  Last night is the player we need for 16 games.  If he can do that, extend him and lower his cap.

-Hargrave and Cox have been getting a lot of flack and it's been deserved.  Last night they were all over the place.  Still think it's time to move on sooner than later but nice to see some fire.

-Goedert and Dick Rod could be a solid TE1 and TE2 next year.  Bring in a stud rookie in a LOADED TE draft and TE is set.

-Top 10 pick here we come.  Fire Howie and bring in someone who can draft solid players.

6 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

(based on his injury history)

How many times does this tweet have to come back ??

 

9 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Agree with this. He's mentally cooked and needs a reset and it's why I'd rather see what he can do with another coach than what Pederson can do with another quarterback. 

completely agree. Change the guard see what happens. Wentz looked really good with Defilippo and Reich. 

14 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Your agenda is showing. The first scoring drive was almost completely uptempo. They drove 75 yards and there was one 5 yard penalty for illegal use of hands. The rest East the offense moving even though they tried to derail themselves with a snap over Carson’s head that went 30 yards behind the LOS.

That was Wentz' best drive of the night...after punting the ball during the previous 4 possessions. 

Listen, I'm not going to get into this with some of you guys in this thread.  When it's discovered (possibly years from now) that Carson Wentz' concussions have had lasting ramifications on his play, I'll gladly come back and say "I told you so".

 Although if that's the case, I'll probably take the higher road since it would be in relation to his health and my thoughts would be with him and his family by that point.

 

23 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup and all 3 of those passes were off accuracy wise.

Inexcusable to have a struggling qb throw the ball almost 50 times and pass 3 times in a row after a 1st and 5

There were two drops!

Jezus people, I know you have your agendas but facts are facts.

5 minutes ago, downundermike said:

How many times does this tweet have to come back ??

 

That hasn't aged well considering every one of those QB's is having a better year than Wentz.

 

8 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

There was one play at the end of the game when the game was still within reach, I forget it if was 3rd down or not but DP decided that a 3 TE set with Caleb Wilson as the best play they could come up with.  Why he played 5 snaps is beyond me.  

Really glad they brought Avery off the IR to play 0 defensive snaps.

 

A few positives.

-Mailata is a player.  He wasn't perfect but this is exactly why he needed to be playing instead of JP.  Let him learn from experience, not watching.

-Davion Taylor made a heck of a hit on ST.  First hit I've seen in a while that actually made me say WOW out loud.  I still think he was a horrible pick in the 3rd round but if he can develop in to a ST demon I'll take it.  I want more from a 3rd rounder but that was something finally.

-Alex Singleton...I still don't know what he is or what his potential is in the NFL but he makes 2-3 plays a game that stand out.  He plays behind the LOS.

-Josh Sweat continues to play well.  The play where he got turned around, jumped over the lineman on the ground and still got to Wilson was encouraging because of the pivoting and pressure it put on his knee.  He showed no issues.  I think he can start next year.

-Barnett...great game.  We had several discussions this week if he's worth the $10 million.  Last night is the player we need for 16 games.  If he can do that, extend him and lower his cap.

-Hargrave and Cox have been getting a lot of flack and it's been deserved.  Last night they were all over the place.  Still think it's time to move on sooner than later but nice to see some fire.

-Goedert and Dick Rod could be a solid TE1 and TE2 next year.  Bring in a stud rookie in a LOADED TE draft and TE is set.

-Top 10 pick here we come.  Fire Howie and bring in someone who can draft solid players.

I still don't really get the knock on the defense. I know they give up plays and haven't been perfect this year, but they are playing with an abysmal offense that is leaving them out to dry with turnovers and their inability to flip the field. That takes a massive toll on a defense, especially in today's NFL which is already tilted in favor of the offense. Are they top 3? No, but they're good enough to win games if they had a competent offense on the other side of the ball. 

I hate Barnett and even I'll admit he's been having a good season. And Singleton is continuing to grow into his role as well. 

4 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

You can add Dak to that list 

Not yet. Wentz has to survive a few more games.