1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

That was Wentz' best drive of the night...after punting the ball during the previous 4 possessions. 

Listen, I'm not going to get into this with some of you guys in this thread.  When it's discovered (possibly years from now) that Carson Wentz' concussions have had a lasting affect on his play, I'll gladly come back and say "I told you so".

 Although if that's the case, I'll probably take the higher road since it would be in relation to his health and my thoughts would be with him and his family by that point.

 

Holy strawmen, did the uptempo work or did it not? The previous 4 drives were not uptempo. The one successful drive was. It wasn't littered with incompletions and the ball didn't move with several penalties like you claimed. 

8 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I'm tired of hearing how the WRs can't get separation or catch blah blah blah.

Andy Reid won playoff games with thrash and Pinkston as his two WRs and one playoff game with Pinkston thrash and Darnell Autry in the backfield.

A group of Sanders goedert reagor fulgham jeffrey hightower should be able to move the ball in a pass happy league that favors passing they should be able to get at least 1 first down in 5 drives, not to mention Ertz as well whom they couldn't move the ball with.

I put minimal blame in the receivers and the majority on doug and Wentz.

Thrash was an awful #1 but Pinkston was a solid #2, imagine if HIghtower could track and catch those deep throws like Pinkston!

And it all started with the OL:

2000 - Tra (16) - Wellbourn (16) - Miller (16) - Mayberry (16) - Runyan (16)

2001 - Tra (15) - Wellbourn (15) - Fraley (15) - Mayberry (15) - Runyan (16)

2002 - Tra (16) - Wellbourn (11) - Fraley (16) - Mayberry (16) - Runyan (16), Brzezinski (5)

2003 - Tra (15) - Wellbourn (13) - Fraley (16) - Williams (11) - Runyan (16), Mayberry (5), Hicks (4)

2004 - Tra (15) - Hicks (13) - Fraley (16) - Mayberry (12) - Runyan (16), Scuillo (5), Ephraim (2), Andrews (1)

2005 - Tra (10) - Hicks (14) - Fraley (8) - Andrews (16) - Runyan (16), Jackson (8), Herremans (4), Clarke (4)

2006 - Tra (16) - Herremans (16) - Jackson (16) - Andrews (16) - Runyan (16)

2007 - Tra (15) - Herremans (15) - Jackson (16) - Andrews (15) - Runyan (16)

2008 - Tra (16) - Herremans (15) - Jackson (16) - MJG (10) - Runyan (16), Cole (5), Andrews (2)

 

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

That hasn't aged well considering every one of those QB's is having a better year than Wentz.

 

It has nothing to do with their play.  You keep bringing up his injury history, and it has been proven factually incorrect over and over again.

1 minute ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I still don't really get the knock on the defense. I know they give up plays and haven't been perfect this year, but they are playing with an abysmal offense that is leaving them out to dry with turnovers and their inability to flip the field. That takes a massive toll on a defense, especially in today's NFL which is already tilted in favor of the offense. Are they top 3? No, but they're good enough to win games if they had a competent offense on the other side of the ball. 

I hate Barnett and even I'll admit he's been having a good season. And Singleton is continuing to grow into his role as well. 

I think we hate on the defense so much because Schwartz is too stubborn to adjust, the lack of turnovers and his unwillingness to blitz.  We came from a mad scientist in Jim Johnson who could disguise blitzes and bring guys from all over.  It was controlled madness.

Even in the broadcast last night they said Schwartz refuses to blitz.  He might bring a linebacker once in awhile but nothing exotic.  When was our last corner blitz?  Maddox excelled in blitzing from the slot at Pitt.  Have we ever used him like that?  

The defense also hasn't developed anyone.  Corners don't get better here.  Linebacker is an afterthought and with the money invested in d-line they should dominate every game which they don't.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Holy strawmen, did the uptempo work or did it not? The previous 4 drives were not uptempo. The one successful drive was. It wasn't littered with incompletions and the ball didn't move with several penalties like you claimed. 

There were 4 incompletions on that drive but he still got the job done.  He played well on that drive.  

1st & 10 at PHI 39

(4:24 - 2nd) (Shotgun) C.Wentz pass incomplete short right to J.Reagor.

 

1st & 10 at PHI 49

(3:59 - 2nd) (Shotgun) C.Wentz pass incomplete short left to G.Ward.

 

1st & 10 at SEA 41

(2:46 - 2nd) (Shotgun) C.Wentz pass incomplete short left to M.Sanders. PENALTY on SEA-T.Flowers, Illegal Use of Hands, 5 yards, enforced at SEA 41 - No Play.

 

2nd & 4 at SEA 12

(1:10 - 2nd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) C.Wentz pass incomplete short left.

 

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

way to move the goal post. 

 

Exactly.  His man crush Foles missed more games to injury last year than Wentz has missed in his career.

Damn. After 12pm and no firings. C'mon Lurie!

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Sanders had a 29 percent drop rate going into last night. Yikes. 

He did terribly. 

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

It has nothing to do with their play.  You keep bringing up his injury history, and it has been proven factually incorrect over and over again.

I said IF he plays hero ball all game he'll likely get hurt again.  But hey,. if he's an "iron man" like you say, why not let him go at it?

 

Doug was asked if he'd give up play calling. He said if he's stuck in a rut he'd consider it. They should have said he's there so do it

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Holy strawmen, did the uptempo work or did it not? The previous 4 drives were not uptempo. The one successful drive was. It wasn't littered with incompletions and the ball didn't move with several penalties like you claimed. 

It’s honestly pointless talking to him because he has an agenda where it’s only Carson Wentz that he can talk about. Almost any conversation you have with him it turns back to Carson Wentz. Meanwhile Doug pederson has his team in half of his games have eight penalties or more. Has had 70 penalty yards or more in five of the 11 games. He has guys on this team not even running the play that he’s calling because one guy is going down the field where the other guys blocking for a wide receiver screen and the quarterbacks looking at the wide receiver to be there for a wide receiver screen. you have him calling slow developing plays behind a makeshift offensive line. Then on top of it he’s calling plays with guys who don’t run those plays affectively meanwhile he has The guy on the sideline who would run that play well.

And on top of all that when you actually watch all 22s from other teams with minimal personnel or injuries affecting their personnel they still are creative in what they do. I dare somebody to go watch the San Francisco 49ers or the Carolina panthers who have minimal personnel or poor offensive line and yet they figure out ways to move the pocket and play through the strengths of their personnel. Doug has yet to do that and we are in December.

At some point in time if you’re only complaint about doug is well I can’t believe you didn’t use Jalen hurts then maybe you’re missing the bigger picture cause you aren’t watching the rest of the league with some teams who still manage to be functional missing personnel and adjusting to the ones they have. 

And this is in a rant about Carson Wentz deserve no blame and he’s not the fault. Yes Carson wentz has not played well this year. He has not looked good literally all season long. He’s missed some throws and earlier in the year he was holding on the ball too long and he’s not making good decisions. And he’s been inaccurate at times. However I’m not dumb enough to believe Carson is the single soul issue and it’s just removing him from the lineup is going to magically Doug Pederson look like a genius and the offense runs well. The fact that doug said last night he didn’t get the chance to use hurts because of the first four series were three and outs tells me he has no clue what to do with Jalen hurts. Because if he supposed to be a change of pace to get your offense going and create some juice that’s a perfect time to use him and he didn’t even use him then

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Damn. After 12pm and no firings. C'mon Lurie!

There's no point in firing now. Let it play out, don't give the team something to rally behind and win the division, don't let Duce coach and win a few games and Lurie think he and Press Taylor are good enough for the future.

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I said IF he plays hero ball all game he'll likely get hurt again.  But hey,. if he's an "iron man" like you say, why not let him go at it?

 

Keep deflecting.  You said " based on his injury history"

He does not have an injury history.  He plays all 16 this year, that means he has missed 5 games in 5 seasons.  Your man crush Foles missed more games last year than Wentz has in his 5 year career.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

There's no point in firing now. Let it play out, don't give the team something to rally behind and win the division, don't let Duce coach and win a few games and Lurie think he and Press Taylor are good enough for the future.

If they fire now then they can start the searching now IIRC

So, after having a chance to digest last night and reflect on this season, here are my thoughts on the 3 guys in question. 

1 .Wentz -- there really isn't a decision to make here, due to his contract. Trading him might minimize the cap hit, but you don't sell at the bottom. The key needs to be restoring his confidence and getting in coaches that highlight his strengths (e.g., moving the pocket). The physical talent is there, but the guy looks to be completely shot mentally and has no confidence. I do wonder how much drafting Hurts derailed him mentally -- he was finally out of Nick's shadow, and the team drafts a QB in the second round. You can say he needs to be mentally tougher, but he was already in a unique situation with Foles winning the Super Bowl. Finally, it seems he bulked up too much and needs to drop the vegan thing -- muscles need animal proteins to recover. Frankly, we are stuck with Wentz, and the goal needs to be trying to maximize the obvious talent.

2. Doug -- This is painful to say, but Doug has to go. The run/pass ratio was the last straw. I posted this in another thread, but watching Doug with Carson now is like watching a more horrific example of Andy refusing to run the ball when McNabb was his QB. Andy believed McNabb was his best player, and he wanted to give McNabb the most chances to do something special. If he was slumping -- throw more, let him throw his way out of it. When backups came in, we found balance and the offense improved because of it. Then Don got healthy and it was all passes again. Doug seems to be doing the same with Carson. When Nick came in, Doug tailored his offense to fit Nick's strengths. But when Carson is healthy, Doug gets enamored with the physical talents and decided Carson has to run Doug's dream offense -- no need to play to Carson's strengths, no need to have balance. Amazingly, Andy adapted in KC when he finally got Superman as his QB. Maybe someday Doug will too -- at his next job. I'd offer Bienemy a 5 year contract the day after Doug is fired. Let's get the guy who learned from improved Andy.

3. Howie -- I have always been a Howie fan for his cap management and allocation of resources. But the bad draft evaluations are too much now. If he wants to stay as some kind of cap guru, so be it. But we need to hire a real GM. 

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Keep deflecting.  You said " based on his injury history"

He does not have an injury history.  He plays all 16 this year, that means he has missed 5 games in 5 seasons.  Your man crush Foles missed more games last year than Wentz has in his 5 year career.

He absolutely has an injury history.  Just because his injuries occurred during later parts of the season, doesn't mean they weren't serious injuries.  Had (at least 2) of his injuries occurred early on in the season, he would have likely missed the entire season. 

And we're still seeing the effects from his concussion during the playoff game last year.

Here is the state of the Eagles' FO in a nutshell:

One coach has his unit in the top 10; and

One coach has his unit in the bottom 5.

Which one will be let go?

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

If they fire now then they can start the searching now IIRC

They can start that now internally whether they fire or not. They can't hire/interview anyone until the end of the season anyway.

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Doug was asked if he'd give up play calling. He said if he's stuck in a rut he'd consider it. They should have said he's there so do it

I love when he acts surprised and pretends to not know where the questions are coming from. 

11 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Thrash was an awful #1 but Pinkston was a solid #2, imagine if HIghtower could track and catch those deep throws like Pinkston!

And it all started with the OL:

2000 - Tra (16) - Wellbourn (16) - Miller (16) - Mayberry (16) - Runyan (16)

2001 - Tra (15) - Wellbourn (15) - Fraley (15) - Mayberry (15) - Runyan (16)

2002 - Tra (16) - Wellbourn (11) - Fraley (16) - Mayberry (16) - Runyan (16), Brzezinski (5)

2003 - Tra (15) - Wellbourn (13) - Fraley (16) - Williams (11) - Runyan (16), Mayberry (5), Hicks (4)

2004 - Tra (15) - Hicks (13) - Fraley (16) - Mayberry (12) - Runyan (16), Scuillo (5), Ephraim (2), Andrews (1)

2005 - Tra (10) - Hicks (14) - Fraley (8) - Andrews (16) - Runyan (16), Jackson (8), Herremans (4), Clarke (4)

2006 - Tra (16) - Herremans (16) - Jackson (16) - Andrews (16) - Runyan (16)

2007 - Tra (15) - Herremans (15) - Jackson (16) - Andrews (15) - Runyan (16)

2008 - Tra (16) - Herremans (15) - Jackson (16) - MJG (10) - Runyan (16), Cole (5), Andrews (2)

 

Tra and Runyan - true ironmen! 

Doug killed the rumor that Lurie said to put Hurts in

3 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

Tra and Runyan - true ironmen! 

Those two may be among the two most underappreciated linemen in team history.  

23 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

That wentz injury prone is tired and worn out. 

He's started like 30 games in a row and during his career he's missed less games than Dak, Cam, Drew Brees, and probably 10 or 12 If I sat down and thought about it

It’s so worn out you couldn’t be more right.

on offense alone: Lane, Brooks, Seumelo,  Herbig, Dillard, Peters, Sanders, Jeffrey, Jackson (remember how much $ this guys stealing?), Reagor all have missed significant time.

 

Wentz is now Lou Gehrig, next to Kelce’s Cal Ripken availability. 

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Doug killed the rumor that Lurie said to put Hurts in

I don’t know what to believe when Doug talks but that rumor was kind of inconsistent with what Adam caplan and Jeff mosher were saying the previous week

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Doug killed the rumor that Lurie said to put Hurts in

How the hell does the Philly media keep getting by with all of this BS they put out? If there was even a hint of truth to that Doug would have been fired this morning. They just continue to post rumors and innuendo like it's fact from "anonymous sources". What a bunch of Ds.