1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

It's very easy to explain. The Eagles have the worse OL in the league and the coach refuses to run the ball while using the same pass plays from 2018. 

Every QB in the league misses easy throws, misses 5 yard lobs, EVERYONE OF THEM. But it's highlighted here because Dougs play calling is so bad that "that 1 miss" is our 1 in a million open play with his play call. 

Wilson missed a few including an overthrow to a wide open Metcalf in the EZ, was a sure 6 points. He just flat out overthrew him. 

But as is often the case, we hold our own QB to a standard that could be unrealistic

1 minute ago, Ipiggles said:

Bolded key work, he COULD be or he could not be? 

But in order for you to believe his Concussion as the reason Carson isn't playing well, you have to first overlook completely the Oline, WR, and coaching issues, like all QB's play well under the same set of circumstances Wentz is in today. 

They all could play a part, no one is denying that.  The easiest way to see if it truly has more to do with all of the above is to give Hurst and/or Sudfeld a few starts.

It's the least they can do for the rest of the team.

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

Bobby knows more about the QB position and what it takes to win than the majority of the Wentz-bots in this thread.  Good on him.

Yep he also said that Nick Foles would be great in Jacksonville. So that looks good. He also said he would go elsewhere and have success so also good  

you want to call people wentz-bots but you’re a Doug pederson nut-hugger. Amazing kettle meet pot. Lol

38 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

There were two drops!

Jezus people, I know you have your agendas but facts are facts.

Yup and all 3 were off target. It's not like they were perfectly placed passes that bounced off hands. 

Sure a drop is a drop and probability of a drop is decreased with better ball placement.

Not an agenda just an observation.

 

4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Bobby knows more about the QB position and what it takes to win than the majority of the Wentz-bots in this thread.  Good on him.

Here is what I know about the Eagles QB

Most yards in a season = Wentz

Most TD's in a season = Wentz

Highest completion percentage in a season ( minimum 10 games started ) = Wentz

 

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

No I’m alluding to Jeffrey lurie sees the bigger picture of future success weighs more about him getting his quarterback right then just winning a meaningless game in 2020. And you just putting in a backup quarterback because you’re obsessed with putting in the back up quarterback to try to win games. I don’t think you see the big picture in almost any argument you make. I would bet dollars to donuts that Jeffrey Lori thinks getting Carson Wentz back on the right track is more important then a measly 2020 win. That’s not taking that’s called being smart the fact that you’re tied to that quarterback next two years that you better get him right.

To be clear, Jeffery Lurie always wants to see his team win.  He does not believe that losing would benefit the team in the long run.  You're dead wrong if you believe that.

As far as Wentz goes, how many QB would still be starting in the NFL after 11 games if they played the way he has played?

 

One thing to add onto my earlier thoughts. I think Wentz could benefit from sitting and getting a break for a couple games...but you absolutely, positively can NOT do that due to the media storm it would create. As I said -- Carson's contract means we are stuck with him for another year, maybe two. Which means we need to maximize his potential, which remains substantial. Bench him now and you potentially wreck him irreparably mentally. Getting him playing better in 2020 isn't worth the risk of completing destroying the guy, given the sunk investment cost. Hurts isn't going anywhere next year -- we can always see what we have later. 

Plus, Hurts had no off season program. If he comes in and tanks, now we have mentally wrecked both QBs. 

3 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Wilson missed a few including an overthrow to a wide open Metcalf in the EZ, was a sure 6 points. He just flat out overthrew him. 

But as is often the case, we hold our own QB to a standard that could be unrealistic

Happens all the time with Mahomes as well among many other quarterbacks. The reason why it sticks out with Wentz like a sore thumb is because if he airmails it over a guy's head who is open, we don't know when we'll see another guy get separation. Forget about the rest of the game, it could take weeks. While in teams like Seattle's and Kansas City's case, it can happen on the very next play with a guy like Lockett or Hill. 

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

Yup and all 3 were off target. It's not like they were perfectly placed passes that bounced off hands. 

Sure a drop is a drop and probability of a drop is decreased with better ball placement.

Not an agenda just an observation.

 

     I give up.

15 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

You taking concussions lightly just shows how little you know about concussions and their lasting ramifications. 

Literally you have no factual proof to back up your claim. Just because that’s your opinion on it does not make it definitively true. It Is a causation you want to tie to it. 

As a person works in the medical field I don’t have his records and I haven’t talk to him and I haven’t done test to know that’s definitively true. Yeah you keep making an assumption this is the only reason for it to be true. That is an opinion that is not a fact. so until you get the medical records, until you get to perform testing on him you can’t say that definitive fact yet here you are. 

do I think there’s a possibility of this? Yes. However you keep saying it a million times as if it’s definitively doesn’t not make it factually or conclusively true. 

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Here is what I know about the Eagles QB

Most yards in a season = Wentz

Most TD's in a season = Wentz

Highest completion percentage in a season ( minimum 10 games started ) = Wentz

 

We're not discussing how well Wentz has played in past years.  We're discussing why he has regressed to the point of playing the way he has played this year. 

And the Bobby remark was tongue-in-cheek.

4 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

The easiest part would be to change the play caller. It's the least they can do for the rest of the team

Doug Pederson has literally simplified the offense to benefit Carson Wentz.  Could he do more?  I guess.  Maybe we'll see some pee-wee league football plays put out there for Wentz.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Literally you have no factual proof to back up your claim. Just because that’s your opinion on it does not make it definitively true. It Themis a causation you want to tie to it. 

As a person works in the medical field I don’t have his records and I haven’t talk to him and I haven’t done test to know that’s definitively true. Yeah you keep making an assumption this is the only reason for it to be true. That is an opinion that is not a fact. so until you get the medical records, until you get to perform testing on him you can’t say that definitive fact yet here you are. 

do I think there’s a possibility of this? Yes. However you keep saying it a million times as if it’s definitively doesn’t not make it factually or convulsively true. 

I think it is more likely he is jittery due to sub par offensive line play, horrible game planning and play calling.

6 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

To be clear, Jeffery Lurie always wants to see his team win.  He does not believe that losing would benefit the team in the long wrong.  You're dead wrong if you believe that.

As far as Wentz goes, how many QB would still be starting in the NFL after 11 games if they played the way he has played?

 

I think Jeffrey lurie sees the bigger picture which you clearly can’t see. Yes I firmly believe that Jeffrey Lurie views getting Carson wentz right is far more valuable to this franchise then wins they likely aren’t even going to get with their upcoming schedule inserting hurts. 

And how many coaches would still have a job in three years in a row your offense is bottom half of the league for 3/4ths of the season. And really 4 out of 5 seasons has been bottom half of the league. I’d love to know? You wanna talk about 2017 Carson Wentz saving him. Doug pederson‘s probably fired if 2017 isn’t a Super Bowl.

8 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

You taking concussions lightly just shows how little you know about concussions and their lasting ramifications. 

More straw men. No, I’m not taking it lightly. I’m using the facts that he was medically cleared from the protocol a week after he suffered the concussion. The season ended because they lost a playoff game. The fact you want to take this injury and promote it in your warped agenda shows you aren’t taking it seriously. 

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

Said it before those 2 drops on the first drive were perfectly thrown balls. the 3rd, was an awful miss. 

one his Sanders in the gut and the other hit Alshon in the hands after he gave up on the route

Short of Wentz waking out and handing it the WRs, I don't know what he is supposed to do. They pay WRs to catch the ball.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

I think it is more likely he is jittery due to sub par offensive line play, horrible game planning and play calling.

The far more likely reason is probably what you’re saying. He probably even when he has a clean pocket thinks he’s going to get hit because he seen ghosts out there because the offensive line has been makeshift and not very good for most of the year. However we like to play doctor on here without factual evidence. He acts like his opinion should be facts 

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Doug Pederson has literally simplified the offense to benefit Carson Wentz

Please explain what he has done to simplify the offense for Wentz.  He called 56 passing plays and 9 runs.  Of the 56 passing plays, he called one rollout, rollouts which have worked the last 3 weeks.

12 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I don't know if using a guy who believes that the earth is flat as your go to is helping.

 

Please stop quoting him

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

They all could play a part, no one is denying that.  The easiest way to see if it truly has more to do with all of the above is to give Hurst and/or Sudfeld a few starts.

It's the least they can do for the rest of the team.

I wouldn't sit Wentz, not if you have any hope of salvaging him, for when the team does improve around him.  Sitting him now, might just kill the relationship between him and the team/ownership etc.   

My guess is since we have seen him play well at times this season, it's probably NOT concussion related, and most likely he lost confidence in his WR, Oline and play calling, causing him to be tentative and overthink, staredown, rush throws etc..... 

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

I can't imagine how defeated JJAW has to be mentally watching his career unfold and everyone constantly bringing this up. It's more of Howie's fault than his in making the wrong pick though. I just hope we aren't having this same conversation with Reagor and Jefferson in the ensuing seasons. 

5 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

I wouldn't sit Wentz, not if you have any hope of salvaging him, for when the team does improve around him.  Sitting him now, might just kill the relationship between him and the team/ownership etc.   

My guess is since we have seen him play well at times this season, it's probably NOT concussion related, and most likely he lost confidence in his WR, Oline and play calling, causing him to be tentative and overthink, staredown, rush throws etc..... 

To your first point it’s exactly that. Do you think Jeffrey lurie really cares about winning a couple meaningless games in a bad division just to make the playoffs? No he cares more about getting Carson Wentz back on the right track because that’s more valuable to the Philadelphia Eagles then any win they could have the rest of the season. The fact he can’t or doesn’t want to accept that shows his bias. He literally only want to  hurts to go out there because of Jalen hurts plays well under Doug then he could be like I told you guys it wasn’t Doug. Meanwhile if Jalen hurts goes out there and plays poorly just like Carson with he goes well now we know even though you probably just ruined the quarterback that you’re tied to for the next two years

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

Thrash was an awful #1 but Pinkston was a solid #2, imagine if HIghtower could track and catch those deep throws like Pinkston!

And it all started with the OL:

2000 - Tra (16) - Wellbourn (16) - Miller (16) - Mayberry (16) - Runyan (16)

2001 - Tra (15) - Wellbourn (15) - Fraley (15) - Mayberry (15) - Runyan (16)

2002 - Tra (16) - Wellbourn (11) - Fraley (16) - Mayberry (16) - Runyan (16), Brzezinski (5)

2003 - Tra (15) - Wellbourn (13) - Fraley (16) - Williams (11) - Runyan (16), Mayberry (5), Hicks (4)

2004 - Tra (15) - Hicks (13) - Fraley (16) - Mayberry (12) - Runyan (16), Scuillo (5), Ephraim (2), Andrews (1)

2005 - Tra (10) - Hicks (14) - Fraley (8) - Andrews (16) - Runyan (16), Jackson (8), Herremans (4), Clarke (4)

2006 - Tra (16) - Herremans (16) - Jackson (16) - Andrews (16) - Runyan (16)

2007 - Tra (15) - Herremans (15) - Jackson (16) - Andrews (15) - Runyan (16)

2008 - Tra (16) - Herremans (15) - Jackson (16) - MJG (10) - Runyan (16), Cole (5), Andrews (2)

 

Yup Reid always had solid o- lines, even when he had guys go down the next guy was ready to go and for the most part Carson has had solid I lines, this year losing everyone but kelce has been rough and that has definitely effected Carson yet when the line does give him time he's not seeing the field and when he does has been wildly inaccurate and pederson has done him zero favors with play calling or play design.

Hightower actually reminds me a lot of Pinkston.

Pinkstons rookie year he looked scared as a deer in the head lights, he avoided contact and when he caught the ball he didn't know what to do or where to run.

Hightower a few times even after catching the ball has looked clueless and contact avoident.

That he's been phased out of the offense with jeffrey back is idiotic. 

That he got about 25% if the snaps when jeffrey got over % 50% and ward got over 65% of the snaps and quez watkins was inactive is a cruel joke.

Pederson doesn't seem to know his WRs  skill set and their weaknesses.

If I see one more back shoulder fade to reagor against a teams number one corner I may break something.

If I see ward take one more wr screen for 2 yards I might break what I broke.

If I see anymore of jeffrey lining up walking around I might have run out of things to break.

Yes O line is essential to a functional offense and apart from 2017 Carson and pederson with enough at o line has been mediocre.