4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Literally you have no factual proof to back up your claim. Just because that’s your opinion on it does not make it definitively true. It Themis a causation you want to tie to it. 

As a person works in the medical field I don’t have his records and I haven’t talk to him and I haven’t done test to know that’s definitively true. Yeah you keep making an assumption this is the only reason for it to be true. That is an opinion that is not a fact. so until you get the medical records, until you get to perform testing on him you can’t say that definitive fact yet here you are. 

do I think there’s a possibility of this? Yes. However you keep saying it a million times as if it’s definitively doesn’t not make it factually or convulsively true. 

Oh really?

 

I've had my fair share of concussions throughout my lifetime so I have researched the subject extensively.

Have you researched "Post Concussion Syndrome"?

 

Persistent post-concussive symptoms, also called post-concussion syndrome, occurs when concussion symptoms last beyond the expected recovery period after the initial injury. The usual recovery period is weeks to months. These symptoms may include headaches, dizziness, and problems with concentration and memory.

Concussion is a mild traumatic brain injury that usually happens after a blow to the head. It can also occur with violent shaking and movement of the head or body. You don't have to lose consciousness to get a concussion or experience persistent post-concussive symptoms. In fact, the risk of developing persistent post-concussive symptoms doesn't appear to be associated with the severity of the initial injury.

In most people, symptoms occur within the first seven to 10 days and go away within three months. Sometimes, they can persist for a year or more.

The goal of treatment after concussion is to effectively manage your symptoms.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/post-concussion-syndrome/symptoms-causes/syc-20353352

 

 

 

How about "Long term effects of brain injuries"?

Moderate to severe traumatic brain injury (TBI) can cause symptoms similar to a concussion, but individuals with these TBIs often experience more severe problems with attention and short-term memory, have difficulty performing daily tasks, and report feeling "slower” overall. 

Difficulty making decisions or processing a lot of information, or trouble resolving problems, can have a significant impact on one’s life. It is important to know that — even years after an injury — these symptoms can get better, especially with treatment from a professional with expertise in brain injury.  

 

https://concussion.weillcornell.org/about-concussions/long-term-effects-brain-injuries

 

 

There's a reason a myriad of professional athletes have retired because of concussions.  

That said, I tend to agree that not all of Wentz' issues are due to his past concussions but to say that the concussions couldn't be a reason for his regression this year is simply ignoring the science behind concussions.  They very well could be playing a huge role in his regression this year.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Ace Nova said:

His concussion.  Wentz has not been the same player since his concussion.  Why so many people refuse to admit that is beyond reason.

His reactions are delayed, he's not seeing the field, his throws are off-target and he's not going through his progressions.  It's beyond obvious that concussion has had a lasting affect on his ability to play QB.  It's both troublesome and saddening, tbh.

One of the things that didn't get much discussion was the team's reaction to his concussion. It was reported that the team retrieved Wentz's wife from the stands when he was back in the locker room. That's not normal. I always wondered whether Wentz's concussion was significantly worse than the "typical" concussion. Ever since that hit, Wentz's field vision and decision making have been horrendous. 

13 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

To be clear, Jeffery Lurie always wants to see his team win.  He does not believe that losing would benefit the team in the long run.  You're dead wrong if you believe that.

As far as Wentz goes, how many QB would still be starting in the NFL after 11 games if they played the way he has played?

 

 

There are multiple examples of QBs struggling and the team sticking with them...

 

Ben R had a season with 23 picks and started 15 games

Manning had 23 picks one season and started 16 games

Farve had multiple seasons with 20+ picks and played all 16 games

Rivers the same as Farve multiple season with 20+ picks and played all the games

 

I am sure there are more if you want me to dig and I haven't even looked at the average QBs like Stafford and players like that....

10 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Please explain what he has done to simplify the offense for Wentz.  He called 56 passing plays and 9 runs.  Of the 56 passing plays, he called one rollout, rollouts which have worked the last 3 weeks.

https://nypost.com/2020/11/25/eagles-have-dumbed-down-their-offense-for-broken-carson-wentz/

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8 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Please stop quoting him

This. Please.

5 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I can't imagine how defeated JJAW has to be mentally watching his career unfold and everyone constantly bringing this up. It's more of Howie's fault than his in making the wrong pick though. I just hope we aren't having this same conversation with Reagor and Jefferson in the ensuing seasons. 

Disagree. Howie gets fault for the pick, JJAW gets the fault for his career. It’s not like he was a tremendous reach, a lot of people had a second round grade on him. 

4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Oh really?

 

I've had my fair share of concussions throughout my lifetime so I have researched the subject extensively.

Have you researched "Post Concussion Syndrome"?

 

Persistent post-concussive symptoms, also called post-concussion syndrome, occurs when concussion symptoms last beyond the expected recovery period after the initial injury. The usual recovery period is weeks to months. These symptoms may include headaches, dizziness, and problems with concentration and memory.

Concussion is a mild traumatic brain injury that usually happens after a blow to the head. It can also occur with violent shaking and movement of the head or body. You don't have to lose consciousness to get a concussion or experience persistent post-concussive symptoms. In fact, the risk of developing persistent post-concussive symptoms doesn't appear to be associated with the severity of the initial injury.

In most people, symptoms occur within the first seven to 10 days and go away within three months. Sometimes, they can persist for a year or more.

The goal of treatment after concussion is to effectively manage your symptoms.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/post-concussion-syndrome/symptoms-causes/syc-20353352

 

 

 

How about "Long term effects of brain injuries"?

Moderate to severe traumatic brain injury (TBI) can cause symptoms similar to a concussion, but individuals with these TBIs often experience more severe problems with attention and short-term memory, have difficulty performing daily tasks, and report feeling "slower” overall. 

Difficulty making decisions or processing a lot of information, or trouble resolving problems, can have a significant impact on one’s life. It is important to know that — even years after an injury — these symptoms can get better, especially with treatment from a professional with expertise in brain injury.  

 

https://concussion.weillcornell.org/about-concussions/long-term-effects-brain-injuries

 

 

There's a reason a myriad of professional athletes have retired because of concussions.  

That said, I tend to agree that not all of Wentz' issues are due to his past concussions but to say that the concussions couldn't be a reason for his regression this year is simply ignoring the science behind concussions.  They very well could be playing a huge role in his regression this year.

 

 

 

And I don’t disagree with all those research articles and research about concussions in general.

But do you have his medical records? Have you done test on Carson Wentz? No so whatever you point out is just assumptions on your part. You do not have definitive proof.   what you were doing is basically going to WebMD looking at symptoms and saying oh my god I have this cause it matches up. Again in the medical field until you see that patient and do test you do not have actual proof. So yes an opinion NOT FACTUAL 

10 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

Yes.....we all know.  We get it.

9 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

I wouldn't sit Wentz, not if you have any hope of salvaging him, for when the team does improve around him.  Sitting him now, might just kill the relationship between him and the team/ownership etc.   

My guess is since we have seen him play well at times this season, it's probably NOT concussion related, and most likely he lost confidence in his WR, Oline and play calling, causing him to be tentative and overthink, staredown, rush throws etc..... 

I disagree.

 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

I disagree.

 

Fair enough we agree to disagree. 

4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

https://nypost.com/2020/11/25/eagles-have-dumbed-down-their-offense-for-broken-carson-wentz/

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What I watch on gameday tells me an entirely different story.

For example, the Eagles called 56 passing plays and 9 running plays last night.

THAT IS NOT simplifying things for your QB.

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

 

Like I said, you have a personal hate towards Wentz, unsure if its a race thing, or a foles thing... but it's obvious you'll ignore fact after fact to state your case

 

 

all you care about is wentz, you dont care about the win/loss record, as long it's wentz playing and no one else because it is personal with you. i'll say this, you are not an eagles fan, you are a wentz fan, eagles fans care about the win/loss records and want answers and accountability to sit the qb that cant move the ball in the first quarter that's why they are angry with you, you dont seem to care. wentz apologists will make every excuse in the book and dont care about win/loss records as long it's wentz and no one else.

4 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

One of the things that didn't get much discussion was the team's reaction to his concussion. It was reported that the team retrieved Wentz's wife from the stands when he was back in the locker room. That's not normal. I always wondered whether Wentz's concussion was significantly worse than the "typical" concussion. Ever since that hit, Wentz's field vision and decision making has been horrendous. 

There were reports of him asking his fellow players things along the lines of, "We're in the playoffs?"  And who knows how many other concussions he may have had throughout his high school and college career that may have never been "diagnosed".

 

 

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

What I watch on gameday tells me an entirely different story.

For example, the Eagles called 56 passing plays and 9 running plays last night.

THAT IS NOT simplifying things for your QB.

Furthermore did Doug Pederson simplify the Eagles offense in 2018 and 2019 when they were bad for 3/4 of the season. It is truly amazing he wants to call people wentz-bots with the massive blinders he has with doug 

Just now, Ace Nova said:

https://nypost.com/2020/11/25/eagles-have-dumbed-down-their-offense-for-broken-carson-wentz/

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Doug said in his news conference there are multiple reasons why they had to simplify the offense from the changes at the offensive line and the youth on the outside. 

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

We get it. you hate him. you think having the 4th most attempts in the league is simplifying the playbook. we understand you

You should really stop acting like a 12 year old trolling the boards.

I don't "hate" anyone, let alone Carson Wentz.  I'm genuinely concerned about him, his future and the team's future.

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

What I watch on gameday tells me an entirely different story.

For example, the Eagles called 56 passing plays and 9 running plays last night.

THAT IS NOT simplifying things for your QB.

Not only that Doug says a lot of things and then the next week he does the exact opposite. He said the previous week we are going to get Carson rolled out more. He then ran less plays the following week with rollouts. Don’t listen to what Doug actually says in press conferences. most of the time it’s BS. 

4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

They all could play a part, no one is denying that.  The easiest way to see if it truly has more to do with all of the above is to give Hurst and/or Sudfeld a few starts  

I would think that you can see if "it has more to do with all of the above” just by watching the games Carson has played. 
 

I mean..... kelce’s bad snaps have been all but perfectly timed this year. How many under 10 yard passes can miles sanders drop since he came back? Our last 3 games, the eagles have averaged 8.3 penalties per game. 3rd in the nfl. There’s too much pressure before he gets/as he gets to his 2nd read. 
 

I honestly don’t know what some of you guys are watching. Yes. Wentz isn’t helping matters and he hasn’t played well. But you’d have to blind to not see all the other things that are TERRIBLY WRONG with this offense. Last year, down the stretch, the o line solidified itself and the running game was there and the screen game worked. And the times where Wentz had to improvise wasn’t every friggin play after 4/5/6 straight drives ended in 3 and outs. 
 

There’s not a player, coach, or evaluator on this offense that has been good or uninjured this year. Trying to put this all on the qb is borderline stupid if you watch the games. 

13 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Reagor didn’t have combine speed. He had game speed. What are you talking about?

13 hours ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Reagor actually disappointed with his combine time running a 4.47. And everyone said he's faster in-game. 

 

But, at least as a rookie, he is not faster in game.  His speed looks like the 4.47 he ran at the Combine.  Like the miss to him in the end zone, he just was running step for step with the CB.  He’s Jefferson fast, just like he was at the Combine.   In other words, he needs to win with his routes and cuts, which as a rookie he is thinking instead of just doing.  Jefferson was more polished and ready, as I opined at the time of the draft but Reagor has that potential.  I think his injuries probably helped slow his growth but I also believe he isn’t going to burn players with his speed like DJax.  As I said, he is combine fast.  His Combine speed is fast enough to require respect but he is not going to run away   (Now, I am sure it will disappoint the speed freaks on here, but that doesn’t mean the Eagles need Chase at all costs.  That would be a waste.)

Now Reagor’s jumping is as advertised.  That Hail Mary they threw at twelve seconds left, he skyed.    That was the sort of elevation we thought we would get with JJAW. 

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

And I don’t disagree with all those research articles and research about concussions in general.

But do you have his medical records? Have you done test on Carson Wentz? No so whatever you point out is just assumptions on your part. You do not have definitive proof.   what you were doing is basically going to WebMD looking at symptoms and saying oh my god I have this cause it matches up. Again in the medical field until you see that patient and do test you do not have actual proof. So yes an opinion NOT FACTUAL 

Either is yours.

Mine is based off of evidence, research...and logic.

What major changes occurred between January of 2020 and the beginning of this season?  He (arguably) started the season with a better WR core, healthy TE's and relatively healthy RB's.

His offensive line has been injured but they've played marginally well for a good part of the season.

The only other major thing to look at is his concussion.  

Could it be a combination of less than stellar offensive line play and scheme?  It could be. 

But I've been watching him all year and anyone who doesn't have blinders on can see that something just isn't "right" with him this year. 

His decision making is delayed, his ability to make hot reads has decreased and he doesn't seem to be seeing the field well...and when he does, he frequently misses open receivers.  So when you put 2 + 2 together, anyone with any sense would be open to questioning whether or not his concussion is playing a part in his regression this year. 

 

14 minutes ago, toughfighter83 said:

all you care about is wentz, you dont care about the win/loss record, as long it's wentz playing and no one else because it is personal with you. i'll say this, you are not an eagles fan, you are a wentz fan, eagles fans care about the win/loss records and want answers and accountability to sit the qb that cant move the ball in the first quarter that's why they are angry with you, you dont seem to care. wentz apologists will make every excuse in the book and dont care about win/loss records as long it's wentz and no one else.

This is another poster that I wished had not found the new board.

14 minutes ago, downundermike said:

What I watch on gameday tells me an entirely different story.

For example, the Eagles called 56 passing plays and 9 running plays last night.

THAT IS NOT simplifying things for your QB.

And 1 roll out.😒

Sure people can rag on baker mayfield and say the dude is a game manager relegated to handing the ball off and rolling out on every pass which is below what is expected for the number 1 pick in the draft yet his team is 8-3

Meanwhile Doug refuses to roll wentz out or run the ball and instead throws 50 times leading to a predictable loss.

Doug should be sued for malpractice or gross negligence, or intentional battery.

2 minutes ago, The Holy Vagabond said:

I would think that you can see if "it has more to do with all of the above” just by watching the games Carson has played. 
 

I mean..... kelce’s bad snaps have been all but perfectly timed this year. How many under 10 yard passes can miles sanders drop since he came back? Our last 3 games, the eagles have averaged 8.3 penalties per game. 3rd in the nfl. There’s too much pressure before he gets/as he gets to his 2nd read. 
 

I honestly don’t know what some of you guys are watching. Yes. Wentz isn’t helping matters and he hasn’t played well. But you’d have to blind to not see all the other things that are TERRIBLY WRONG with this offense. Last year, down the stretch, the o line solidified itself and the running game was there and the screen game worked. And the times where Wentz had to improvise wasn’t every friggin play after 4/5/6 straight drives ended in 3 and outs. 
 

There’s not a player, coach, or evaluator on this offense that has been good or uninjured this year. Trying to put this all on the qb is borderline stupid if you watch the games. 

Thank you I’ve been saying this for weeks. Carson Wentz isn’t playing well at all but the fact that people have this agenda like he’s the only reason that the Eagles are struggling in like Doug  does no wrong is absurd an the rest of the offensive issues go on the back burner due to QB. I called his quarterback obsession. They think quarterback is the only position on the field that matters and effects how the QB plays. If your coach isn’t doing a very good job at creativity or maximizing guys’ strengths, wide receivers are not good enough, your offense of line has had 10 different lineups starting and bad on the right side then there’s a multitude of problems going on that’s going to affect your quarterback.

If it was so easy to just put the back up in there and go out and win games then everyone in the league as soon as your quarterback starts struggling would do it. Nick Foles was able to do it because the Philadelphia Eagles in 2017 had the best roster in the NFL. If they have a roster today with 2017 wentz they still aren’t winning a Super Bowl. And yet we will probably have people on here saying well Carson Wentz not doing enough because the team is not Super Bowl contenders and we’re paying him 128 mil

10 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Wentz is playing like Dog Sh!t how about that for your apologist. 

The problem is, I cant admit that, and can tell you that we should probably run the ball more. We should probably have him roll out more(as he succeeds at it) and have him run up tempo more as it works 

Theres two types of fans on here. The people who are week to week, and the people who are year to year. I', a year to go year guy. I''ll be going to games long after Doug and Wentz retires. I know, (as I did 2.5 years ago) that Doug isnt the right guy. I knew after week 1 this isnt the right year.  So in order for this team to be better NEXT YEAR, I know getting rid of Doug, and getting a higher draft pick will help this team WAY MORE than sneaking into a wild card game and getting blown out. 

 

I think, like a lot of fans on this board, I think this way all week except for the 3 hours we are actually playing. During the game it still hurts to watch them suck and lose. I can admit -- I just can't bring myself to actually find joy in them losing, even though I know that I should.

I keep telling you guys -- 32 pass attempts.  Not complicated

Wentz throws 31 passes or less, the Eagles are 18-2.

Wentz throws 32 passes or more, the Eagles are 17-29-1

I'm not an analytics knob, but some numbers are glaring.  Wentz is being asked every week to do what is not a winning formula.  

Eagles 2020 stats -- 425 pass attempts, 255 run attempts (Wentz has 49 of those run attempts).  When the QB is struggling you need to run the ball.  The OL wants to run the ball -- every OL wants to run block rather than pass block.

It's. The. Head. Coach