20 minutes ago, phil77 said:

 

There are multiple examples of QBs struggling and the team sticking with them...

 

Ben R had a season with 23 picks and started 15 games

Manning had 23 picks one season and started 16 games

Farve had multiple seasons with 20+ picks and played all 16 games

Rivers the same as Farve multiple season with 20+ picks and played all the games

 

I am sure there are more if you want me to dig and I haven't even looked at the average QBs like Stafford and players like that....

The problem with Wentz isn't just interceptions.  That's actually the least of my concerns with him.  He's not seeing the field.  He isn't producing.  I mean the worst pass defense in the league, we throw the ball 50 times and he only gets 200 yards??  WR accounted for 46 of them.  That's bad.

I think the QB's mentioned above all put up big numbers on top of throwing picks. 

7 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Either is yours.

Mine is based off of evidence, research...and logic.

What major changes occurred between January of 2020 and the beginning of this season?  He (arguably) started the season with a better WR core, healthy TE's and relatively healthy RB's.

His offensive line has been injured but they've played marginally well for a good part of the season.

The only other major thing to look at is his concussion.  

Could it be a combination of less than stellar offensive line play and scheme?  It could be. 

But I've been watching him all year and anyone who doesn't have blinders on can see that something just isn't "right" with him this year. 

His decision making is delayed, his ability to make hot reads has decreased and he doesn't seem to be seeing the field well...and when he does, he frequently misses open receivers.  So when you put 2 + 2 together, anyone with any sense would be open to questioning whether or not his concussion is playing a part in his regression this year. 

 

I never said mine was factual. 

again I can’t make a for definitive factual proof until I have his medical records and test him for what you are talking about. So whatever BS you want to run out there it’s not facts. Again NOT FACTS. Again you using a causation from research of the topic generally to make an opinion on the matter. 

until you were able to show me Carson wentz’s medical records and the testing that you have done on Carson Wentz anything you say is an opinion. I know that’s really hard for you to understand that you do not have definitive proof except for research articles that is not definitive proof of Carson Wentz. That is telling you what they found with other concussion cases not every concussion case is the same so again when you get personal with his medical records and you do testing for it then come back and talk to me and tell me you have factual proof. At the moment you don’t

and you’re right it is OK to make a connection to that however you are making it as it is definitively that.  which is wrong. You do not have the medical records or the testing with Carson Wentz to prove your point. It is a theory/opinion you have based off other outside research that does not connect Carson Wentz specifically.

38 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

     I give up.

Quitter😉

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

It's like going to the gym. I hate doing it. hate going to it. hate thinking about. makes me sick and gives me anxiety. But I know, its for the best

I get it. My brain wins out for all but 3.5 hours of the week when my heart takes over. I just can't be happy about losing, even though I know it is for the best.

EDIT: And working out is the happiest part of my day. So I'm clearly sick in the head.

8 minutes ago, The Holy Vagabond said:

I would think that you can see if "it has more to do with all of the above” just by watching the games Carson has played. 
 

I mean..... kelce’s bad snaps have been all but perfectly timed this year. How many under 10 yard passes can miles sanders drop since he came back? Our last 3 games, the eagles have averaged 8.3 penalties per game. 3rd in the nfl. There’s too much pressure before he gets/as he gets to his 2nd read. 
 

I honestly don’t know what some of you guys are watching. Yes. Wentz isn’t helping matters and he hasn’t played well. But you’d have to blind to not see all the other things that are TERRIBLY WRONG with this offense. Last year, down the stretch, the o line solidified itself and the running game was there and the screen game worked. And the times where Wentz had to improvise wasn’t every friggin play after 4/5/6 straight drives ended in 3 and outs. 
 

There’s not a player, coach, or evaluator on this offense that has been good or uninjured this year. Trying to put this all on the qb is borderline stupid if you watch the games. 

No one is putting it "all on the QB". 

The sad part is that some of you would rather put one player in front of the entire team, regardless of how poorly that player plays. 

You would rather blame the rest of the team (at least 52 other guys playing their hearts out), the entire coaching staff and the entire front office instead saying, "Yep, there's something wrong with Wentz.  Let's give him a break for a few games so that the team knows we are doing everything in our power to win games."

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I keep telling you guys -- 32 pass attempts.  Not complicated

Wentz throws 31 passes or less, the Eagles are 18-2.

Wentz throws 32 passes or more, the Eagles are 17-29-1

I'm not an analytics knob, but some numbers are glaring.  Wentz is being asked every week to do what is not a winning formula.  

Eagles 2020 stats -- 425 pass attempts, 255 run attempts (Wentz has 49 of those run attempts).  When the QB is struggling you need to run the ball.  The OL wants to run the ball -- every OL wants to run block rather than pass block.

It's. The. Head. Coach

Carson Wentz, 2017, MVP caliber season.  The two losses, 46 and 45 passing attempts, the two highest totals of the year.

5 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I think, like a lot of fans on this board, I think this way all week except for the 3 hours we are actually playing. During the game it still hurts to watch them suck and lose. I can admit -- I just can't bring myself to actually find joy in them losing, even though I know that I should.

Yes. I remember cheering loudly at a bar in 2012 when Foles hit Maclin for the game winner vs. Tampa. That win did nothing to benefit the team but I was still excited to see them win. 

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

Funny, I'm a hockey guy and can skate/play until I throw up but I already have anxiety for the hour of cardio i have lined up on Saturday

Ha. I'm addicted to cardio now. Peloton is like a drug.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I never said mine was factual. 

again I can’t make a for definitive factual proof until I have his medical records and test him for what you are talking about. So whatever BS you want to run out there it’s not facts. Again NOT FACTS. Again you using a causation from research of the topic generally to make an opinion on the matter. 

until you were able to show me Carson wentz’s medical records and the testing that you have done on Carson Wentz anything you say is an opinion. I know that’s really hard for you to understand that you do not have definitive proof except for research articles that is not definitive proof of Carson Wentz. That is telling you what they found with other concussion cases not every concussion case is the same so again when you get personal with his medical records and you do testing for it then come back and talk to me and tell me you have factual proof. At the moment you don’t

It is 100% my opinion.  This is a message board so I thought that would be obvious.

But like the saying goes, if it quacks like a duck, if it looks like a duck...then it most likely is a duck. 

And hopefully (if it is concussion related), Wentz recovers from it at some point and gets back to playing like he's capable of playing.

 

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Either is yours.

Mine is based off of evidence, research...and logic.

What major changes occurred between January of 2020 and the beginning of this season?  He (arguably) started the season with a better WR core, healthy TE's and relatively healthy RB's.

His offensive line has been injured but they've played marginally well for a good part of the season.

The only other major thing to look at is his concussion.  

Could it be a combination of less than stellar offensive line play and scheme?  It could be. 

But I've been watching him all year and anyone who doesn't have blinders on can see that something just isn't "right" with him this year. 

His decision making is delayed, his ability to make hot reads has decreased and he doesn't seem to be seeing the field well...and when he does, he frequently misses open receivers.  So when you put 2 + 2 together, anyone with any sense would be open to questioning whether or not his concussion is playing a part in his regression this year. 

 

The offensive line has been horrendous just for starters....so there is more than one thing going on that one can point to including a complete lack of discipline...penalties, drops etc

secondly...I am not sure if you understand "hot reads"...teams are playing zone d against the Eagles....they are not not blitzing off M-M leaving a WR uncovered aka "hot read".  They may show M-M looks with pressure at the LOS but they are dropping back and forcing the Eagles to make short throws in front of them or tossing the ball long into double zone coverages. The only intermediate passing success against the zone are seam routes to TEs. 

37 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Said it before those 2 drops on the first drive were perfectly thrown balls. the 3rd, was an awful miss. 

one his Sanders in the gut and the other hit Alshon in the hands after he gave up on the route

Maybe the throw to jeffrey looks worse because jeffrey gave up on the route and wasn't where he was supposed to be. Which would make sense because that ball was way out in front of him.

The other throw to miles was a bit low and Sanders has shown this year that he can't catch low passes for what ever reason.

Seems Carson throws low on a lot of  short passes to RBs. He used to do the same to sproles and I was like sheesh I know sproles is a midget but he doesn't have thumbs on his feet,then Carson down the seem always seems to throw high???

Seems there's no method to the madness, with mcnabb one knew most the time when he threw a bad pass he was killing worms not birds. He was consistent, wentz is a box of chocolates.

Just now, vikas83 said:

Ha. I'm addicted to cardio now. Peloton is like a drug.

Peloton is incredible. I used my parents' when I went to visit them a couple months ago and I was hooked. It's hyper-competitive and the instructors are great. If I didn't live in Arizona where we get sun and good weather almost every day, I would get one for the cold/rainy/snowy days. 

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

It is 100% my opinion.  This is a message board so I thought that would be obvious.

But like the saying goes, if it quacks like a duck, if it looks like a duck...then it most likely is a duck. 

And hopefully (if it is concussion related), Wentz recovers from it at some point and gets back to playing like he's capable of playing.

 

and yet you just tried for multiple posts to defend it like it was a definitive fact. Clearly obvious though it’s your opinion....

1 minute ago, aptosbird said:

The offensive line has been horrendous just for starters....so there is more than one thing going on that one can point to including a complete lack of discipline...penalties, drops etc

secondly...I am not sure if you understand "hot reads"...teams are playing zone d against the Eagles....they are not not blitzing off M-M leaving a WR uncovered aka "hot read".  They may show M-M looks with pressure at the LOS but they are dropping back and forcing the Eagles to make short throws in front of them or tossing the ball long into double zone coverages. The only intermediate passing success against the zone are seam routes to TEs. 

They were several occasions when Wentz should have read the blitz but he didn't last night....some of them beyond obvious.  And yes, I understand what a "hot read" is.  Thanks.

 

30 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

https://nypost.com/2020/11/25/eagles-have-dumbed-down-their-offense-for-broken-carson-wentz/

Without deflections or moving the goal posts, please explain how calling 141 passing plays vs 52 runs the last 3 weeks is making things easier for the QB.  And of those 141 passing plays, I believe 6 designed roll outs.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

and yet you just tried for multiple posts to defend it like it was a definitive fact. Clearly obvious though it’s your opinion....

Most of my posts here are my opinion.  99% of the posts in this blog are people's "opinions".

 

I can’t get over how poor the gameplan and game management was on the offensive side of the ball last night. 
 

The main part that sticks out was then playing desperation football with 10 minutes left down 11. Still plenty of time and the defense was playing well. No structure, no run game.

It looked like they just pulled a couple of Madden players out of the stands to run the offense. 

5 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

It is 100% my opinion.  This is a message board so I thought that would be obvious.

But like the saying goes, if it quacks like a duck, if it looks like a duck...then it most likely is a duck. 

And hopefully (if it is concussion related), Wentz recovers from it at some point and gets back to playing like he's capable of playing.

 

Please tell us what you do for a living so we can weigh your concussion analysis vs your profession.

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

The problem with Wentz isn't just interceptions.  That's actually the least of my concerns with him.  He's not seeing the field.  He isn't producing.  I mean the worst pass defense in the league, we throw the ball 50 times and he only gets 200 yards??  WR accounted for 46 of them.  That's bad.

I think the QB's mentioned above all put up big numbers on top of throwing picks. 

 

 

Ben was 234 yards per game  18 TD 23 INTs and a rating of 75.4

Manning was 258 yards per game 26 TD 23 INTs and a rating of 84.1  (Had a lower one 71.2 but it was his rookie year I left it out and a rating of 67.9 his last year left it out)  

Farve was 206 yards per game 19 TD and 24 INTs rating of 72.2 

Farve was 255 yards per game 22 TD and 23 INTS rating of 74.7

Favre was 242 yards per game 20 TD and 29 INTs rating of 70.9

Rivers did put up good numbers most of the time no ratings in the 70s but did have low 80 ratings...

 

So no they didn't put up big numbers while throwing a high number of picks. 

 

Wentz is 231 yards per game with 16 TD and 15 INTS rating of 73.4  

 

You dont bench playes with Wentz talent at QB you let them work through there issues. If it is a pattern of multiple bad seasons in a row then you bench and move on.  There are plenty of examples in history of QBs having a terrible year and bouncing back especially having the years Wentz has had prior. 

11 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I keep telling you guys -- 32 pass attempts.  Not complicated

Wentz throws 31 passes or less, the Eagles are 18-2.

Wentz throws 32 passes or more, the Eagles are 17-29-1

I'm not an analytics knob, but some numbers are glaring.  Wentz is being asked every week to do what is not a winning formula.  

Eagles 2020 stats -- 425 pass attempts, 255 run attempts (Wentz has 49 of those run attempts).  When the QB is struggling you need to run the ball.  The OL wants to run the ball -- every OL wants to run block rather than pass block.

It's. The. Head. Coach

This 1000%

1 minute ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Peloton is incredible. I used my parents' when I went to visit them a couple months ago and I was hooked. It's hyper-competitive and the instructors are great. If I didn't live in Arizona where we get sun and good weather almost every day, I would get one for the cold/rainy/snowy days. 

Even in Los Angeles, I prefer to be alone working out; no interest in going outside or to a gym. The Peloton has been a life saver during lockdown. I like doing the Power Zone training classes because you see real improvement in results. If I just rode a bike outside, it wouldn't be structured and measured. 

I'm a competitive math nerd...so I'm tailor made for the Peloton I guess.

In regards to the concussion affecting Wentz; he looked pretty damn good the first half against Washington in week 1. That first INT throwing to Reagor seemed to completely un-hinge and destroy him. I'd have to go back and watch the game, but I'd bet a substantial sum of money Washington began to get increasing pressure at that point. From there everything snowballed and here we are, with multiple culprits. But I think using the concussion as the excuse is kind of bogus. 

Just now, downundermike said:

Without deflections or moving the goal posts, please explain how calling 141 passing plays vs 52 runs the last 3 weeks is making things easier for the QB.  And of those 141 passing plays, I believe 6 designed roll outs.

And I will say the Eagles running game since the first Giants game has got better every single week up until this week. Meanwhile the passing game since that first Giants game has gotten worse every single week. So does it make a lot of sense to be pass happy when you run blocking had been improving over four weeks and your passing game has regressed each week 

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

I wish it was 6. lol

I think it's 4

1 - 2 - 1 . 

I thought I saw a tweet that there was 3 roll out plays in the 3rd quarter of the Browns game, and 2 vs the Giants.

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

It's always been my opinion .  99% of the posts in this blog are people's "opinions".

 

And yet again you try to prove it as it was factually true for multiple posts when you were debating with me. Bravo.