2 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

Lurie bought the Eagles in 1994 and Roseman has been with him since 2000.  I have a hard time seeing Lurie firing him out into the street; more likely history repeats itself and he re-assigns Howie into an administrative position without influence on football operations.

All signs point to Doug not having much pull or cred in the organization.  He was hired pretty much on Andy Reid’s endorsement, and I think it’s likely he ends up paying for all of the dysfunction — the parts involving him and otherwise.

I wonder if Lurie reaches out to Andy again and asks for his recommendation on Chiefs front office personnel.  I’d prefer Carmichael Jr or Joe Brady for head coach, though .... and I still like trying to get Brandon Streeter from Clemson to be Wentz’s QB coach.

I'm 50/50 on anyone from Clemson.  They're just so stacked with talent that it's hard for them not to look successful.  From a play design standpoint, for sure...for development i'm on the fence.  Watson is certainly a success story, but Sunshine hasn't progressed at all IMO (I'd argue from a footwork/mechanics/decision making standpoint he's regressed).

2 hours ago, Wentz_Era said:

I'm 50/50 on anyone from Clemson.  They're just so stacked with talent that it's hard for them not to look successful.  From a play design standpoint, for sure...for development i'm on the fence.  Watson is certainly a success story, but Sunshine hasn't progressed at all IMO (I'd argue from a footwork/mechanics/decision making standpoint he's regressed).

The WRs from Clemson would be a good decision though, they just churn out WRs.

 

Good morning blog...

 

shame on you all...  no shout out to The Who?  😢  Problem solved.

 

 

 

https://www.fantasypoints.com/nfl/articles/season/2020/tuesday-talking-points-week-13

Good article and summary of the situation.  I’m relieved that widespread awareness appears to be emerging regarding the extraordinary level of failure and ineptitude of our GM.  There is no path forward to success with his continued participation in the organization.  The entire personnel side needs new leadership and a total overhaul.

Who should the next leader be?  That’s the key question.

If I was the owner I would first assemble a team to help me conduct the search and evaluation.  Get some people I trust, guys that I’ve worked with before, and some outside voices as well, former GMs perhaps, guys that have had success and know what it looks like.

Next I would look at the teams that are the best at finding, drafting and accumulating talent and see who from those organizations might be ready to take that next step.  Who are the good teams?  Also, who is available from the teams that might not be top of the league this year but typically draft very well?  I’d look closely at the Chiefs organization.  I’d look at New Orleans, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Seattle, Green Bay, Minnesota, even Dallas (yes, Dallas).  Maybe some others as well.  

We want to have the people that are the best and smartest at finding and accumulating talent.  We want th best draft people.  The best scouts.  THAT is how you get good and stay good.  I’m tired of pandering to any feelings or egos, or trying to justify internal promotions.  This owner holds this team in trust for the fans.  He has an absolute obligation to do what is best for the team.

 

5 hours ago, wtfcares said:

Nothing at all wrong with the decision going to goedert here for a deep shot. He had his man beat. It’s easy for baldy to point at an batch of grass 50 yards down the field and say that’s where the ball should be. Wentz probably also makes that throw there if he has space to step up which the commentators on tv clearly mentioned. The other view of this play clearly shows Wentz has no room to step into that throw. The right side of the line collapsed immediately in front of him. 
 

But yeah let’s cherry pick one angle of one play that Brian baldinger chose to hate on Wentz and listen to him like sheep. 

I don't think it's cherry picking when Wentz had a overall poor performance.  He needs to better recognize the easier throw.  He is making too many of these mistakes.  It would be cherry picking if he had made the completion to Goeddert or if he had missed Goeddert but otherwise played a good game.  He didn't which is why this is an issue.  

9 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I got spanked growing up, but I don't spank my kids and I never will. Every parent has their own way and I don't judge others for doing whatever they feel is best for their kids and their own situation. But I do find it strange that some would assume the only way to raise a child properly (regardless of environment or circumstance) is with the threat of violence or actual physical punishment to enforce obedience. 

As for the participation trophy stuff, I can't really comment as I'm not sure what it's referring to. I didn't get a trophy growing up unless we actually won something, and my daughter's leagues do hand out medals every season, but I don't see that being much different than the boy scout badges of previous generations. 

Boy Scout badges don't compare to medals that teams/players get for doing nothing these days.  You do things to earn badges.  They signify an accomplishment.  Same with Girl Scout or Brownie patches.  Those organizations were designed to build life long skills.  Sadly, like a lot of our institutions there was a lot of bad going on too.

Participation trophies are so everyone is included...the inclusive generation.  The generation that thinks everything should be handed to them.  The generation that is offended by a George Washington painting or "Baby It's Cold Outside" yet has no issue with **** being a #1 song. (sorry 39 year old man rant).

This is a whole other discussion that would turn in to CVON very quick but seeing this generation turn in to young adults is kind of terrifying.  They're also influenced entirely too much from pop culture, celebrities and social media.   

 

Rant over.  Fire Howie, Fire DP.

7 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

Lurie bought the Eagles in 1994 and Roseman has been with him since 2000.  I have a hard time seeing Lurie firing him out into the street; more likely history repeats itself and he re-assigns Howie into an administrative position without influence on football operations.

All signs point to Doug not having much pull or cred in the organization.  He was hired pretty much on Andy Reid’s endorsement, and I think it’s likely he ends up paying for all of the dysfunction — the parts involving him and otherwise.

I wonder if Lurie reaches out to Andy again and asks for his recommendation on Chiefs front office personnel.  I’d prefer Carmichael Jr or Joe Brady for head coach, though .... and I still like trying to get Brandon Streeter from Clemson to be Wentz’s QB coach.

I understand the points you're making and they are probably right but it's just a recipe for disaster.  It's going to be an endless cycle.  New Football Operations guy comes in, Howie has enough say to still have his fingerprints on the players brought in....JUST ENOUGH because he's still in the room.  3 years down the road, the Football Ops guy will move on to another team as a GM and Howie is inserted back as GM.  And repeat.

8 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

In your opinion, who is the bigger liability this year?  Carson Wentz or Doug Pederson?

Doug and it's not that close.  He has a player in Wentz that isn't executing things well.  He has done a poor job modifying play calls to cater to Wentz's issues.  

4 hours ago, Wentz_Era said:

I'm 50/50 on anyone from Clemson.  They're just so stacked with talent that it's hard for them not to look successful.  From a play design standpoint, for sure...for development i'm on the fence.  Watson is certainly a success story, but Sunshine hasn't progressed at all IMO (I'd argue from a footwork/mechanics/decision making standpoint he's regressed).

I wouldn't mind a coordinator from Clemson but I think Dabo is 100% a college coach.  He has that gift in being able to relate to 18 year old young men and their families to help mold them not only as football players but as humans.  I think he's built for the college game and there's nothing wrong with that.  

Roseman certainly deserves blame but I have a feeling he’s going to be made the scapegoat. 
 

It’s not his fault the game planning and play calling has been abysmal or that the QB leads the league in turnovers. 
 

Make any excuse you want but there’s no reason for this team not to be in 1st place by at least two games right now. None. 

28 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Boy Scout badges don't compare to medals that teams/players get for doing nothing these days.  You do things to earn badges.  They signify an accomplishment.  Same with Girl Scout or Brownie patches.  Those organizations were designed to build life long skills.  Sadly, like a lot of our institutions there was a lot of bad going on too.

Participation trophies are so everyone is included...the inclusive generation.  The generation that thinks everything should be handed to them.  The generation that is offended by a George Washington painting or "Baby It's Cold Outside" yet has no issue with **** being a #1 song. (sorry 39 year old man rant).

This is a whole other discussion that would turn in to CVON very quick but seeing this generation turn in to young adults is kind of terrifying.  They're also influenced entirely too much from pop culture, celebrities and social media.   

 

Rant over.  Fire Howie, Fire DP.

Isn't there a badge for playing the trumpet? Is that really all that different than playing soccer? 

In any case, having an overly critical view of our youth is hardly a novel concept. It's almost like it's an extremely common artifact of the human psyche related to memory formation...

https://historyhustle.com/2500-years-of-people-complaining-about-the-younger-generation/

But I know, I know, "it's actually true this time!"

18 hours ago, downundermike said:

Goedert said the interception was 100% on him, tried to do to much instead of running the route he was supposed to.  Wentz could not move the ball because Doug refuses to do the things that Wentz does well, roll outs, up tempo.  

Here is some facts for you, Wentz is a much better QB on the move, why has Doug called 6 roll outs on the last 141 passing plays he has called ??

nothing is ever wentz's fault is it? no matter how bad he plays, no matter how bad the record is every year, you are always going to find excuses for him, you could care less about this team every winning another sb because it's all about him. in all my years of being a fan, i never seen so much sucking up to qb that plays like bobby hoying and you are ok with that.

20 years ago, you demand players like that to get benched and start someone else and not let the team get worse. it's like this fanbase has just lost their winning mentality and  want to be fans of players no matter what and that's it.

 

It’s hilarious to me that so many people keep making all of this debacle an either / or argument.

It seem real simple to me...

Doug has sucked

Wentz has sucked

Roseman has sucked

Is there hope that Carson could turn it around with better coaching? I suppose, but it’s very slim. He just can’t throw the ball accurately and doesn’t seem to have the clock upstairs to process info fast enough.

They all are terrible and need to go.

34 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Boy Scout badges don't compare to medals that teams/players get for doing nothing these days.  You do things to earn badges.  They signify an accomplishment.  Same with Girl Scout or Brownie patches.  Those organizations were designed to build life long skills.  Sadly, like a lot of our institutions there was a lot of bad going on too.

Participation trophies are so everyone is included...the inclusive generation.  The generation that thinks everything should be handed to them.  The generation that is offended by a George Washington painting or "Baby It's Cold Outside" yet has no issue with **** being a #1 song. (sorry 39 year old man rant).

This is a whole other discussion that would turn in to CVON very quick but seeing this generation turn in to young adults is kind of terrifying.  They're also influenced entirely too much from pop culture, celebrities and social media.   

 

Rant over.  Fire Howie, Fire DP.

GD kid

4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Isn't there a badge for playing the trumpet? Is that really all that different than playing soccer? 

In any case, having an overly critical view of our youth is hardly a novel concept. It's almost like it's an extremely common artifact of the human psyche related to memory formation...

https://historyhustle.com/2500-years-of-people-complaining-about-the-younger-generation/

But I know, I know, "it's actually true this time!"

In a sense that's a participation award sure.  But the badge is the goal.  You set out to learn to play the trumpet in order to earn that badge.

In soccer, football or any sport...the goal generally a championship trophy. ring or medal.  There are 2nd and 3rd place ribbons/medals as well.  You compete to win.  The trophy and bragging rights are what you're going for.  You can come in 5th place and get an trophy now...a participation trophy.  

And yes, every generation is going to be critical of the youth because things change.  The way my grandparents grew up was different than my parents and different than me.  

10 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

In a sense that's a participation award sure.  But the badge is the goal.  You set out to learn to play the trumpet in order to earn that badge.

In soccer, football or any sport...the goal generally a championship trophy. ring or medal.  There are 2nd and 3rd place ribbons/medals as well.  You compete to win.  The trophy and bragging rights are what you're going for.  You can come in 5th place and get an trophy now...a participation trophy.  

 

For 7 and 8 year olds? Not sure that really holds up. Pretty sure the main goal should be to introduce kids that young to the game and teach them the basic rules and skills required to play it. You said badges are awards for learning a skill, so you getting a medal for learning and playing soccer sure sounds similar as getting a badge for playing the trumpet or learning about rocks or whatever some of the other ones are. 

And again, I've never seen or actually heard of a league where trophies are given out just for showing up. I'm not saying it's never happened at any point in time anywhere in the country, but among all of my friends with kids in the 0-12 age group in all different kinds of sports in different areas, I haven't heard of a single league where that's the case. Could it be that it's actually not as prevalent as implied? Just as I'm sure the generation younger than me probably doesn't actually eat tide pods for fun, but yet somehow that became emblematic of them.

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And yes, every generation is going to be critical of the youth because things change.  The way my grandparents grew up was different than my parents and different than me.  

"Things change" is quite the specific argument. That's true, not sure how I could argue against that.  

I would caution against drawing strong inferences from these videos that document and dissect Wentz's current struggles. These "autopsy" videos likely paint a picture that is as inaccurate as those constructed from "highlight" videos.

Beware of confirmation bias and the uncritical adoption of popular narratives.

 

6 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Wentz wouldn't step in to the throw anyway because his mechanics are pure ish. He doesn't set his feet, he doesn't use his lower body and he doesn't step in to throws. And yes when you have 2 guys wide open there is an issue with throwing deep down field to a guy who is covered. 

Um he did step into the throw on that play and got crushed 

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

Doug and it's not that close.  He has a player in Wentz that isn't executing things well.  He has done a poor job modifying play calls to cater to Wentz's issues.  

You have to look even deeper. Its not just Wentz, this entire offense is struggling in all areas and Doug is in charge of the offense. The WRs cant get open, they cant catch when they do. No running game. The entire team is failing and that falls on the head coach. 

Arthur Smith, please. If we move on from Doug. 

5 hours ago, Wentz_Era said:

I'm 50/50 on anyone from Clemson.  They're just so stacked with talent that it's hard for them not to look successful.  From a play design standpoint, for sure...for development i'm on the fence.  Watson is certainly a success story, but Sunshine hasn't progressed at all IMO (I'd argue from a footwork/mechanics/decision making standpoint he's regressed).

Yeah I’m reserving judgment on Lawrence until I see him in this year’s playoff.  As a freshman he looked great; as a sophomore not so much.  He plays against Walnut Grove Elementary pretty much all season until the last two games of the year 

 

22 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Arthur Smith, please. If we move on from Doug. 

I have no idea how to evaluate Arthur Smith. He fixed Tannehill and loves play-action, but so much of their success is Henry/Brown being freaks that I don't know it's replicable.

42 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

I would caution against drawing strong inferences from these videos that document and dissect Wentz's current struggles. These "autopsy" videos likely paint a picture that is as inaccurate as those constructed from "highlight" videos.

Beware of confirmation bias and the uncritical adoption of popular narratives.

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