People who want to debate how much the Eagles struggles are on Wentz and how much are on the offensive scheme used by Doug, I would suggest you approach it in the following way:

If Wentz goes 0/45 for 0 yards, obviously 100% of the problem is Wentz.  Yet we know vs SEA, for example, he went 25/45 for 215 yards.  It’s logical to then examine the data of what happens on plays where Wentz DOES do his part and completes the pass — unfortunately this is only about 58.4% of the time, which is about 8% below acceptable, so objectively he is not as accurate as he needs to be.
 

My mind then wondered, where do the Eagles rank in YAC (yards after catch)?  Someone already posted in here yesterday that the Eagles are the worst in the NFL in drops, but how about after the catch?  
 

I went to 2020 Advanced Stats on pro-football-reference and looked at YAC per completion.  The Chicago Bears, who are completely anemic on offense, are 31st in the NFL with a pathetic 2.9 YPC/cmp.  There are 9 teams in the NFL who are 5.1 or higher.  Being under 3 is really bad.  CHI is 31st.  The Eagles are 32nd — dead last — at 2.8

The Eagles and Bears are the only NFL teams under 3.3 — the Bengals and Giants are 3.3, even the Jets are 3.5

 

Scrubs....I don't want no scrubs...

On a side note, who else will be day-drinking later to watch football on a Wednesday? Fun drinking game: Take a half shot everytime the broadcast mentions coronavirus.

13 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Exaclty, Joe Montana QB ratings

1986 - 80.7

1987 - 102.1 ( led the league )

1988 - 87.9

1989 - 112.4 ( led the league )

Good thing they didn't get rid of him after 1988, would have sucked not to win those two Super Bowls

Such a scrub, first Eagles QB to throw for 4000 yards in a season, most TD passes in a season, in 13 games.

I think comparing Wentz passer rating with guys from bye gone ages is futile.

87.9 passer rating in 1988 by montana was still good for 6th best in the league.

What's Wentz at 31st?

Montana rating of 80.7 was good for 10th in 86

6 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

Scrubs....I don't want no scrubs...

On a side note, who else will be day-drinking later to watch football on a Wednesday? Fun drinking game: Take a half shot everytime the broadcast mentions coronavirus.

Have fun getting your stomach pumped 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Have fun getting your stomach pumped 

Okay maybe I'll just take an extra sip of beer instead.

19 minutes ago, phil77 said:

 

I mean there are examples all over the history of the NFL with some of the best QBs of all-time.  They all didn't get benched and they worked through the issues.  If the issues are still there next year and we see a pattern of multiple seasons in a row like this then I will be worried but to get rid of a player with Wentz talent because of one down season in a crazy year with all the trouble around him is idiotic and if other franchises did that they would have missed out on a number of Super Bowl rings. 

Yeah, but none of them played in Philadelphia....home of the most knowledgeable fans in football.

4 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I think comparing Wentz passer rating with guys from bye gone ages is futile.

87.9 passer rating in 1988 by montana was still good for 6th best in the league.

What's Wentz at 31st?

Montana rating of 80.7 was good for 10th in 86

We are not talking about the rating specifically, we are discussing 20 point swings in the rating as a reason to move on.

I believe @Ace Nova stated that QB's who had that happen retired the following year.  Obviously we have proven that beyond false.

16 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Average release time?

Sacks are excluded in the stat. Some of the sacks are him holding the ball too long, some is Pryor/Opeta/Brown/Peters playing dog ish

47 minutes ago, phil77 said:

 

 

Big Ben highest rating is 103.3 in a season his lowest is 75.4 

Peyton Manning highest rating is 121.1 and his lowest is 84.1 (not counting rookie year or last year)

Brett Farve highest rating is 107.2 is lowest rating is 70.9

Philip Rivers highest rating is 105.5 his lowest rating is 82.4

Carson Wentz highest rating is 102.2 and his lowest is 73.4 

 

All those guys didn't retire after there down season. 

 

 

42 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Nick Foles QB rating has dropped 34.6 points from his 27-2 season to last year in Jacksonville, and 38.2 points from 27-2 season to this year in Chicago.  He experienced a similar drop 2013 to 2014 in Philly.

4 point less drop off from 2017 playoffs to last year and this year.  Why has Nick Foles not retired, how do you explain his drop off ??

Not trying to have a Wentz / Foles debate, just using someone relevant with the same type of drop in QB rating.

 

24 minutes ago, phil77 said:

 

I mean there are examples all over the history of the NFL with some of the best QBs of all-time.  They all didn't get benched and they worked through the issues.  If the issues are still there next year and we see a pattern of multiple seasons in a row like this then I will be worried but to get rid of a player with Wentz talent because of one down season in a crazy year with all the trouble around him is idiotic and if other franchises did that they would have missed out on a number of Super Bowl rings. 

 

20 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Exaclty, Joe Montana QB ratings

1986 - 80.7

1987 - 102.1 ( led the league )

1988 - 87.9

1989 - 112.4 ( led the league )

Good thing they didn't get rid of him after 1988, would have sucked not to win those two Super Bowls

Such a scrub, first Eagles QB to throw for 4000 yards in a season, most TD passes in a season, in 13 games.

 

8 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I think comparing Wentz passer rating with guys from bye gone ages is futile.

87.9 passer rating in 1988 by montana was still good for 6th best in the league.

What's Wentz at 31st?

Montana rating of 80.7 was good for 10th in 86

 

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

We are not talking about the rating specifically, we are discussing 20 point swings in the rating as a reason to move on.

I believe @Ace Nova stated that QB's who had that happen retired the following year.  Obviously we have proven that beyond false.

 

I should have been more specific.  It was based on previous 3 year averages.  This is what I was referring to:

 

 

 

From Bo Wulf, every defensive FA signed in the last three years. 
 

Brutal. 

26 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Brady had a 21 point drop in QB rating from 2007 - 2009 ( missed 2008 on IR ).  They should have gotten rid of him, they didn't need to win 3 more Super Bowls.

He didn't miss 08 on IR played in one game and had a rating of around 83.

Next lowest drop was 2013 around 86 which was still good for 17th in the league that year.

I'm not defending or ripping Wentz merely stating it's easy to cherry pick stats to support ones point with out looking at the context of that stat.

At no time in any of the mentioned careers of guys mentioned were they ever the 31st ranked qbs other than maybe rookie years or early years not after being established 

Brady montana favre ect. never went from top 5 to next to last in rating among starting qbs.

 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

I should have been more specific.  It was based on previous 3 year averages.  This is what I was referring to:

 

 

 

 

Ok so it is cherry picking only a certain time frame even though there are examples all over the NFL with QBs having a random down season here and there.  I will see what I can find. 

 

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

 

I'm not defending or ripping Wentz merely stating it's easy to cherry pick stats to support ones point with out looking at the context of that stat.

 

 

It is easy to cherry pick stats one way or another to support any arguement good or bad. 

Doug and Howie Fired Yet? Just my hourly check.

5 minutes ago, downundermike said:

We are not talking about the rating specifically, we are discussing 20 point swings in the rating as a reason to move on.

I believe @Ace Nova stated that QB's who had that happen retired the following year.  Obviously we have proven that beyond false.

Yup that was a flawed stat that avcenova stated as it was mostly guys on their last legs towards ends of their careers in their late 30s.

So yeah I get what you are saying

 

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

You do know these stats you keep bringing up HELPS Wentz's case and hurts Doug's case right. 

 

Maybe if Pederson wasn't his coach for the previous 3 year average but he was so I tend to disagree. 

3 minutes ago, phil77 said:

 

Ok so it is cherry picking only a certain time frame even though there are examples all over the NFL with QBs having a random down season here and there.  I will see what I can find. 

You don't need to spend time on it.  This isn't a competition.  I'm just trying to get to the root of the issues with Wentz and more specifically, with the offense in general.  That's all. 

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

"I tried to work the leverage [on Wagner],” Goedert said, via the Philadelphia Inquirer. "I was kind of [sliding] inside so he wouldn’t be able to break up the play and I’d be able to make it. Carson thought I was going to be going down and away and threw it there. I should’ve been where he thought I was going to be. I’ll take the blame for that one. It was a crucial point in the game. Mistakes like that can’t happen.”

Carsons fault

Farve is really close....

 

96 (age 27)  95.8 rating

97 (age 28) 92.6 rating

98 (age 29) 87.8 rating

Average of 92.6 rating

99 (age 30) 74.7 rating

Difference of 17.9

 

In 1996 his team won the Super Bowl also.  

I think it's fair to say that game plans and play calling have been less than stellar, the Oline has been inconsistent and struggled, The WR have under performed and Wentz has been off. 

None of these things are as bad as they appear as each one impacts the other. Incremental improvements in all might actually make a huge difference to the result.

Probably an unpopular viewpoint and to be clear I am not advocating the team doesn't need changes, significant change. Things may look bleak but I think a few improvements could dramatically change the product on the field.

6 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

So what changed? 

2017 they had an OC he did fine

2018 they had an OC he did fine

2019 they had an oc he did fine

2020 he doesnt have an OC and we see an extreme drop off. 

 

If I said I made the same dinner for you that you love, but I changed the main ingredient this time and it now taste like ISH, dont you think it's the main ingredient, or did I all of a sudden forget how to turn on a grill. 

I wish it were that simple but for some reason, I doubt that's the only reason. 

Breaking news,

 

Everyone sucks.

11 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Benny needs to hit the books. Its a option route. Goedert though his man was breaking outside and he went in. Goedert made a bad choice and him and Carson were not even close to being on the same page. If Benny here listened to Dougs press Conf after the game, Doug said it himself. 

Dallas went this way, Wagner went that way. Carson yelled Out "Where'd he go?" Doug said "Where'd who gooooooooooooo?????????"

31 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Average release time?

Tied for 7th slowest in the league.