9 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

I should have been more specific.  It was based on previous 3 year averages.  This is what I was referring to:

 

 

 

I think an I retesting comparison to Wentz falling off a cliff is Dante culpeper.

Not to say that Wentz will take a similar path but it's not out of the ordinary for a qb to look really good for a season or two then fall off a cliff.

In 2004 culpeper had a rating of 110 the following season 70. And continued to dip.

Randy moss also left after 2004 but even in 2004  he only played 13 games, though still caught 13 tds.

Culpeper after 2004 just totally fell off a cliff and it was shocking to watch.

Hopefully Wentz can re group it's not like his drop was precipitated by the kids of a HOF WR and he still looks capable I spurts,culpeper after 2004 looked like he never touched a football.

Id like to hope Wentz is mentally tough enough to bounce back but lots of qbs have been damaged beyond repair after a bad season.

 

9 minutes ago, Mrkingofspades said:

Tied for 7th slowest in the league.

It’s painfully obvious watching him that this is the case.

And it didn’t just start this year, it’s been a problem all along, which is why I have little faith in Wentz long term.

18 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

From Bo Wulf, every defensive FA signed in the last three years. 
 

Brutal. 

That's an ugly list. 

For me the most notable.

LJ fort. The dude gets cut then starts for a really good ravens defense 

Signing Malik Jackson. He's an aging vet was benched by the lowly jags and Howie signs him for 3 years 30 mil???

Sendejo- he's no world beater yet hes starti g for a winning team in Cleveland meanwhile howie let Jenkins go and rolled the dice with Mills at safety which hasn't worked.

NRC- I just didn't get this signing at all, the eagles had about ten capable nickel corners on the roster so signed another nickel corner?

Makes me wonder how much input Schwartz has in defensive player acquisition or release or it's all on howie.

Either way it's a really bad look.

14 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Interesting conspiracy theory brought up by Bo wulf on the BWF podcast today. Made the point that maybe doug doesn’t wanna be here anymore (multiple rumors one before the season started he’s at the end of his rope and then doug wouldn’t mind being fired)and what you’re seeing from doug is basically for lack of better words that wulf actually used giving the bird to howie and the front office before he’s on his way out because he’s sick and tired of their crap

So he wants to demolish the franchise? He just got an extension. If he doesn't want to be here then he should talk to Lurie and leave

Just now, Mike030270 said:

So he wants to demolish the franchise? He just got an extension. If he doesn't want to be here then he should talk to Lurie and leave

I don’t think the theory wasn’t to demolish the franchise it is more he’s not listening to what howie Roseman wants him to do and he’s doing what he wants to do. Basically the front office may be telling him things to do ans he doesn’t care if he loses his job so he’s doing what he wants. 

29 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

From Bo Wulf, every defensive FA signed in the last three years. 
 

Brutal. 

The hype from each DT signing...

6 minutes ago, Utebird said:

That's an ugly list. 

For me the most notable.

LJ fort. The dude gets cut then starts for a really good ravens defense 

Signing Malik Jackson. He's an aging vet was benched by the lowly jags and Howie signs him for 3 years 30 mil???

Sendejo- he's no world beater yet hes starti g for a winning team in Cleveland meanwhile howie let Jenkins go and rolled the dice with Mills at safety which hasn't worked.

NRC- I just didn't get this signing at all, the eagles had about ten capable nickel corners on the roster so signed another nickel corner?

Makes me wonder how much input Schwartz has in defensive player acquisition or release or it's all on howie.

Either way it's a really bad look.

I tend to think NRC and the onslaught of nickel corners was Jims call. 

10 hours ago, wtfcares said:

Nothing at all wrong with the decision going to goedert here for a deep shot. He had his man beat. It’s easy for baldy to point at an batch of grass 50 yards down the field and say that’s where the ball should be. Wentz probably also makes that throw there if he has space to step up which the commentators on tv clearly mentioned. The other view of this play clearly shows Wentz has no room to step into that throw. The right side of the line collapsed immediately in front of him. 
 

But yeah let’s cherry pick one angle of one play that Brian baldinger chose to hate on Wentz and listen to him like sheep. 

you take what the defense gives you, they gave you 2 wide open high percentage targets, when you are struggling thats what you take, not the shot down the field

 

19 minutes ago, phil77 said:

Farve is really close....

 

96 (age 27)  95.8 rating

97 (age 28) 92.6 rating

98 (age 29) 87.8 rating

Average of 92.6 rating

99 (age 30) 74.7 rating

Difference of 17.9

 

In 1996 his team won the Super Bowl also.  

What changed for him when he was 30?  And did anything change after? 

Besides my Farve example.....

 

Rodgers

age 28  122.5 rating

age 29 108. rating

age 30 104.9 rating

age 31 112.2 rating

Average rating 111.9

age 32 rating 92.7

Difference of 19.2

@In2football

Packers 37, Eagles 14

This game could actually be much closer if Doug would run the ball with regularity against a poor Packers run defense, use up the clock, lighten the load on Wentz, and keep Aaron Rodgers off the field

If, if, if, if .......

2 minutes ago, phil77 said:

Besides my Farve example.....

 

Rodgers

age 28  122.5 rating

age 29 108. rating

age 30 104.9 rating

age 31 112.2 rating

Average rating 111.9

age 32 rating 92.7

Difference of 19.2

Favre example was better, imo.  92.7 is still among the better ratings in the NFL.

23 minutes ago, phil77 said:

Farve is really close....

 

96 (age 27)  95.8 rating

97 (age 28) 92.6 rating

98 (age 29) 87.8 rating

Average of 92.6 rating

99 (age 30) 74.7 rating

Difference of 17.9

 

In 1996 his team won the Super Bowl also.  

Favre's 74.7 was 25th in the league, behind Brian Griese, Trent Dilfer, Jeff Blake and John Kitna.

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

What changed for him when he was 30?  And did anything change after? 

 

He had one more down year in 00 at the age of 31at 78.0 

Then his 4 year average from 01-04 was back close to where it was at 91.6

19 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Breaking news,

 

Everyone sucks.

So basically it’s what I have been saying for pretty much the last month and a half of the season. It’s really not that hard to see when you watch the all 22. Wentz hasn’t been good, the playcalling has been ridiculous a good portion of the time, we use the wrong personnel for certain plays. which is why I called out solak and kist on their podcast the other day saying what Doug called good plays but you just didn’t have the right personnel out there. How do you call the right play if you’re not using the right personnel to make it work effectively. That’s just bad coaching. It’s not just one thing for why this offense is it working there is so many things going wrong on this offense that I look at it and say the two major factors are obviously doug and Carson but there is like 4-5 other things that aren’t that far behind what’s going on with the Eagles. The right side of line last week was terrible. I’m running backs can’t pass protect or blitz pick up. Our wide receivers don’t even know the play at times and and don’t get separation against man coverage. 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

Favre example was better, imo.  92.7 is still among the better ratings in the NFL.

 

 

Yes but we weren't looking at where they ranked in the NFL we were looking at big differnces I thought?  

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

No, he wants to get fired so he can collect his paychecks instead of quitting and getting nothing. 

*IF* you think this is true, it's not too far fetched

Doug wants hurts. Howie/Jeffrey say no, this is wentz team. So Doug says thats fine. Fire me. Howie/Jeffrey say no. 

Doug says ok, heres a generic game plan(facts) heres the same ish we ran last year(facts) and I dont give 2 poops about anything else. F U fire me 

I actually think Howie is responsible for Hurts and trying to force him into the game plan.  Came out last week that Jeremy Chinn was the highest player on their board, and Howie went with Hurts.

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

No, he wants to get fired so he can collect his paychecks instead of quitting and getting nothing. 

*IF* you think this is true, it's not too far fetched

Doug wants hurts. Howie/Jeffrey say no, this is wentz team. So Doug says thats fine. Fire me. Howie/Jeffrey say no. 

Doug says ok, heres a generic game plan(facts) heres the same ish we ran last year(facts) and I dont give 2 poops about anything else. F U fire me 

So what your saying is he has wanted to get fired for the last 2 1/2 years cause hes used the same generic game plan since 2018, lol. 

I don't think he wants to get fired. i just think he has no clue what hes doing. Hes not trying to look like a moron, he is one. 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

So basically it’s what I have been saying for pretty much the last month and a half of the season. It’s really not that hard to see when you watch the all 22. Wentz hasn’t been good, the playcalling has been ridiculous a good portion of the time, we use the wrong personnel for certain plays. which is why I called out solak and kist on their podcast the other day saying what Doug called good plays but you just didn’t have the right personnel out there. How do you call the right play if you’re not using the right personnel to make it work effectively. That’s just bad coaching. It’s not just one thing for why this offense is it working there is so many things going wrong on this offense that I look at it and say the two major factors are obviously doug and Carson but there is like 4-5 other things that aren’t that far behind what’s going on with the Eagles. The right side of line last week was terrible. I’m running backs can’t pass protect or blitz pick up. Our wide receivers don’t even know the play at times and and don’t get separation against man coverage. 

Thats it? Easy fix.

18 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

My comparison would be Rodgers in his last couple years with McCarthy. 

McCarthy cost Rodgers at least one super bowl ring and Rodger basically went from 10-6 with 40TD's/7int's and a qbr of 74% to 6-9-1. His lowest TD outputt, 54% QBR. 

Spoiler, switched to Lefluer and his numbers sky rocketed again

Coincidentally that year rodgers also wS sacked 2nd most in his career, 49 times, was sacked 59 times early in his career.

Even then rodgers still had an ok season, it just wasn't God rodgers that were accustomed to.

Anytime rodgers doesn't throw for over 30 tds and 4000 yards people wonder what's wrong with some one else because he's just so good.

I think some of that can apply to Wentz except he doesn't obviously have the resume of rodgers to compare and his drop in production can be compared with the same that led to rodgers dip, bad O line play bad play calling offense, coaching ect. 

I was never sold on mccarthy I always thought he was kind of a d and lucky to have rodgers.

We have assumed that a lack of extension for Schwartz is evidence that he has fallen out of favor with the FO.

It is possible that Schwartz is the one who had no interest in an extension. I suspect that he may be fed up with Howie and his inept drafting and player acquisition. It was reported that Schwartz wanted to draft a LB in the first round and was interested in Chinn in the second.

Using Ertz to sneak into the playoffs is my nightmare.

2 hours ago, downundermike said:

 

This goes back to the conversation we had a couple days ago where I talk about Sean McVay and his offense is limited to what Jared Goff is able to do. I firmly believe that. When you watch the offense on all 22 it’s pretty creative in what Sean mcvay is doing. They also got wide receivers that fit what Jared Goff strength is.

I don’t have any inside information but I’m betting besides the concussion issue that Brandin cooks was traded because they didn’t view he was worth the money because Jared Goff doesn’t utilize him the way that he should so why do you pay the guy that type of money when he’s not going to be an afterthought part in the offense because Goff isn’t very good or comfortable in that aspect of the game. 

but i give mcvay credit, he crafted the offense to Goff‘s strengths so they can at least be a competent/good offense against bad teams. The problem is Jared Goff faces good teams he tends to struggle and make poor decisions. It’s not Sean McVay holding back jerked off, it is Jared Goff holding back Sean McVay from what he really wants to do an open that offense. I think if you truly mcvay if he could go out and get another quarterback that he felt better about that he would do it but I don’t think the Rams organization are in the business In just let him go a competent NFL starting quarterback 

As for the colts I would argue the colts are really a good quarterback away from being one of the top two teams in the AFC. And they have the potential to beat the Chiefs as they showed last year because they could ball control, run it down their throats and control TOP. Plus their defense is good enough to get stops. 

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

Using Ertz to sneak into the playoffs is my nightmare.

What if we use JJAW to get into the playoffs?

48 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Carsons fault

Err... the CB was playing the pass and didn't break inside until Hurts starts to hand the ball off.  Assuming it was a "read option"... Hurts would have needed to completely sell the play action in order for it to have been a big play to Reagor.  And that's assuming the CB gets blocked on the screen.  (He was playing the pass so he likely wouldn't of broke "as hard" inside if it was a screen).

Could have been a decent play if it was played "perfectly" (and if it actually was a "read option")....but how often does that happen with a rookie QB who has a total of 3 passes in the NFL?