1 hour ago, Bacarty2 said:

Fairly sure you dont know the difference between excuses and facts. 

Top Drop backs

3-7-1 Eagles

4-7 Falcons

3-8 Cowboys(whos QB Died)

2-8-1 Cinncy(whos QB Died)

Tampa Bay.

 

 

You make excuses for the guy. Sorry but you do. He's not the only issue with this team but he's a big issue with it. 

OMG, Big Ben missed a wide open WR right in front of him.  Better cut him and start Mason Rudolph.

RG3 is horrible.

4 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

From Bo Wulf, every defensive FA signed in the last three years. 
 

Brutal. 

At least Slay seems to be ok - though technically a trade.

29 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I think you're over complicating it.  There's little chance that it's some sort of "vast conspiracy" that Howie Roseman is intentionally making Wentz look bad in order to "prop up" his 2nd round pick.

I mean, seriously...read what you are writing.  It's a borderline conspiracy theory.

Carson Wentz looked like the Carson Wentz of 2017 heading into the playoffs last year.  He had won several "high pressure" games in a row and could have won his first playoff game had he not been injured. 

Zero chance Howie thinks to himself, "I better draft Jalen Hurts and not draft Wentz any help" so when we cut Wentz after 2021 I can keep my job.  That's insane.  Especially since Wentz looked like an "All pro" at the end of last season.  

It was likely something along the lines of, "We have a guy here that we think highly of available to us in the 2nd round.  As much as we appreciate what Josh McCown did for us last season and as much as we like Sudfeld, we really need to draft a high-caliber guy that we can groom into being a backup for Wentz, especially since we are a playoff team and if we need a guy to come in a win a few games for us in case Wentz were to get injured" 

And all reports state that Pederson was also "high" on the Jalen Hurts pick for the same reasons.

 

 

 

I don’t think there’s a conspiracy theory about howie Roseman trying to make Carson look bad. I just don’t think he’s done a very good job doing everything he can to make Carson Wentz look better. And that second round pick kind of proves that. His plans at wide receiver from the off-season beginning weren’t very good. That’s not a conspiracy theory he didn’t do a very good job doing everything he could to make it better for Carson Wentz. That’s not even debatable anymore. He’s done a terrible job building this team. The only people that don’t seem to grasp that are people on denial  

there’s no conspiracy theory in there.  Roseman said they didn’t want to pass up on Jalen hurts because they thought he was the next Russell Wilson. They said in a press conference. So you’re telling me Carson Wentz is struggling so bad that he doesn’t wanna prove that the second round pick that people have given him crap for for the last eight months and he doesn’t want to see him go out there and show that he could be Russell Wilson and he is the smartest person in the room.

The second part where he could see what’s happening with Carson Wentz going on is the after effect if Jalen hurts plays well that he’s going to play because that will save his job. I don’t think he had that foresight in April.but I know he’s gonna play that card when that happens if Jalen hurts plays well. I know he’s arrogant enough to play that card

I look at it more of this way how can Howie Roseman save his job? Oh if Jalen hurts goes out there and looks like Russell Wilson like he predicted he would become. Do you know what doesn’t help Doug pederson with his job a rookie quarterback that goes out there and struggles for the same reasons we’ve seen over the last couple years.

also Doug could be high on that pick Doug is not the general manager of the Philadelphia Eagles. He is a head coach. He does not have autonomy to make the pick. There is a much more likely chance if Jalen hurts goes out there and is having the same type of problems Carson Wentz is that he’s going to go squarely on the shoulders of Doug Pederson 

 

10 minutes ago, downundermike said:

OMG, Big Ben missed a wide open WR right in front of him.  Better cut him and start Mason Rudolph.

Maybe they will trade for Hurts.

This offseason only - Free Shipping from the QB Factory!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t think there’s a conspiracy theory about howie Roseman trying to make Carson look bad. I just don’t think he’s done a very good job doing everything he can to make Carson Wentz look better. And that second round pick kind of proves that.

And also, if Carson looks bad then Howie also looks bad because he's the one who gave him that huge contract. Howie is tied to Wentz like Doug is and like this organisation is. If Wentz fails they all fail.

14 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

You make excuses for the guy. Sorry but you do. He's not the only issue with this team but he's a big issue with it. 

So you don't think there are reasons why he is an issue?

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

At least Slay seems to be ok - though technically a trade.

Yes, the only problem is his career is going to be absolutely wasted here

40 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I'm not sure about that.

Howie Roseman is the guy responsible for guaranteeing Wentz 100+ million dollars and making him impossible to trade and/or cut until after the 2021 season.  And even then it will be close to a 25 million dollar cap hit. 

That alone would cost Howie his job.  So why on Earth would Howie want that?

The Jalen Hurts pick had everything to do with the "premium" they place on the backup QB position and the fact that Wentz ended his previous 3 seasons due to injury.  That's why they picked Hurts. 

Howie looks bad already with the season going like this and without many players emerging and vets are falling wayside.

Having a back-up QB is important.  Hurts as a rookie and not in the game much, he won't be able to handle the job if he has to go in now.  IMHO, having Hurts on the wing puts pressure on Wentz.  His playing hero ball is partly due to that.

We're forgetting little facts:

Going into the season, Dillard - Seumalo - Kelce - Brooks - Lane, with Mailata, Herbig, Pryor, Driscoll and Prince as your depth, some veterans, some projects. Peters was brought back after injuries, they weren't planning to resign him.

DeSean - JJAW - Reagor - Ward - Hightower - Watkins - Goodwin, Jeffrey maybe in the second half.

Ertz - Goedert - Perkins

Sanders - Scott - Clement

That team might be in the playoffs.

 

43 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

And also, if Carson looks bad then Howie also looks bad because he's the one who gave him that huge contract. Howie is tied to Wentz like Doug is and like this organisation is. If Wentz fails they all fail.

Doug and Roseman are both tied to Carson Wentz.  However Doug pederson has no ties to hurts. you know who does have ties to Hurts? howie rosemen because he draftEd him. So if he goes out there and looks like Russell Wilson like he predicted in a press conference that means he’s going to get all the accolades and he’s gonna look smart especially thumb his nose at people who ridiculed and mocked him for 8 months about the selection

So why would Roseman not want him to go out there after eight months where people have ridiculed him for that pick. Yeah he would have made a mistake with a contract with Carson wentz which almost every other GM in the league would’ve made at that point in time. So the fact that he was able to somehow rectify that mistake by drafting another QB or even better quarterback is a feather in his cap. 

Doug imo has more to lose if the franchise (particularly lurie loved apparently both of them ) gave him two QBs they believed were franchise type of QBs and they both struggled. 

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

We're forgetting little facts:

Going into the season, Dillard - Seumalo - Kelce - Brooks - Lane, with Mailata, Herbig, Pryor, Driscoll and Prince as your depth, some veterans, some projects. Peters was brought back after injuries, they weren't planning to resign him.

DeSean - JJAW - Reagor - Ward - Hightower - Watkins - Goodwin, Jeffrey maybe in the second half.

Ertz - Goedert - Perkins

Sanders - Scott - Clement

That team might be in the playoffs.

I'm not sure the bolded helps your argument.

Wentz got a similar contract to Cousins - now would anyone before this season have traded Wentz for Cousins?

 

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yes, the only problem is his career is going to be absolutely wasted here

Nah... it was wasted in Detroit long before that... 

Just now, austinfan said:

Wentz got a similar contract to Cousins - now would anyone before this season have traded Wentz for Cousins?

 

This is true.

However, you must concede that the actions of one idiot does not justify the actions of another.

It's not that I don't like Wentz (I do), it's just that I don't like these types of arguments.

Just now, Desertbirds said:

I'm not sure the bolded helps your argument.

On paper, a solid group, no one expected DeSean to play 16 games, but more than 1? He was there to buy time for Reagor and the other speed WRs to grow up. When he played you could see the difference, but he's now as fragile as fine crystal.

JJAW was a place holder for Jeffrey or a kid, still a lot better than what we finished last season, and Perkins is a big WR/H-back combo who could fill that big receiver role.

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Wentz got a similar contract to Cousins - now would anyone before this season have traded Wentz for Cousins?

 

That’s why i said that contract wasn’t a bad contract at time of signing. Every GM in the league would’ve done it. It’s why i don’t think howie would prevent hurts if he drafted him and he believed he could be Russell Wilson would say don’t play him. He isn’t going to get destroyed about wentz’s contract as at the time of signing it was considered a bargain contract. It looks much worse for doug if given Carson wentz and hurts who lurie apparently believes both can be franchise QBs and he’s out there struggling with both. 

Just now, Desertbirds said:

This is true.

However, you must concede that the actions of one idiot does not justify the actions of another.

It's not that I don't like Wentz (I do), it's just that I don't like these types of arguments.

It's more about showing the market value of starting QBs, Wentz's deal was quite reasonable.

So reports from ESPN today: Carson Wentz was "Hurt” with the Eagles drafting Jalen Hurts and there were "Internal Riffs” between scouts and Roseman who wanted Justin Jefferson and Jeremy Chinn over Reagor and Hurts. 
 

 

I can believe both stories after seeing how the Eagles are performing. There will be a big change in the offseason. It will be Doug or Roseman. 

Hurts was drafted b/c Wentz hasn't shown he can be counted on to survive 18-19 game seasons, and after watching McNown flounder, they decided they needed a backup QB who could steal a game or two - and a mobile young QB is the cheap option, the highly paid veteran QB is the other (Sudfeld is what you get with low paid veteran QBs).

45 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t think there’s a conspiracy theory about howie Roseman trying to make Carson look bad. I just don’t think he’s done a very good job doing everything he can to make Carson Wentz look better. And that second round pick kind of proves that. His plans at wide receiver from the off-season beginning weren’t very good. That’s not a conspiracy theory he didn’t do a very good job doing everything he could to make it better for Carson Wentz. That’s not even debatable anymore. He’s done a terrible job building this team. The only people that don’t seem to grasp that are people on denial  

there’s no conspiracy theory in there.  Roseman said they didn’t want to pass up on Jalen hurts because they thought he was the next Russell Wilson. They said in a press conference. So you’re telling me Carson Wentz is struggling so bad that he doesn’t wanna prove that the second round pick that people have given him crap for for the last eight months and he doesn’t want to see him go out there and show that he could be Russell Wilson and he is the smartest person in the room.

The second part where he could see what’s happening with Carson Wentz going on is the after effect if Jalen hurts plays well that he’s going to play because that will save his job. I don’t think he had that foresight in April.but I know he’s got a play that card when that happens if Jalen hurts plays well. I know he’s arrogant enough to play that card

I look at it more of this way how can Howie Roseman save his job? Oh if Jalen hurts goes out there and looks like Russell Wilson like he predicted he would become. Do you know what doesn’t help Doug pederson with his job a rookie quarterback that goes out there and struggles for the same reasons we’ve seen over the last couple years.

Seems like to me you have some sort of bias towards Doug pederson were you have to defend him at all costs and make excuses for him like you clean people do with Carson Wentz.

also Doug could be high on that pick Doug is not the general manager of the Philadelphia Eagles. He is a head coach. He does not have autonomy to make the pick. There is a much more likely chance if Jalen hurts goes out there and is having the same type of problems Carson Wentz is that he’s going to go squarely on the shoulders of Doug Pederson 

 

Again, I think you're over complicating it.

Howie Roseman could likely lose his job (at least as GM/Player personnel) if they part ways with Wentz after the 2021 season. 

There's no way Lurie could justify keeping Howie as a GM after:

A. Going "all in" on Wentz and giving up the assets they did to draft him.

B. Going "all in" on Wentz (once again) when he made the decision to keep Wentz over Foles after Foles won them their first Super Bowl. He followed that up by still picking Wentz over Foles after Foles came in the following year and guided the team to the playoffs.  As much as the fans liked Wentz...after the 2nd Foles comeback year, the regular fan-base was split around 50/50 in regards to Wentz vs Foles.  You wouldn't of guessed it around here (This board has always been a 75% Wentz/25% Foles board) but the general fan-base (according to just about every poll at the time, was split 50/50)  So there's a chance that if Howie really wanted to keep Foles, he could have done so after that season and it still would have made (at least) half the fan-base happy.  

C.  He backed up his decision by going "all-in" on Wentz for a 3rd time when he awarded Wentz the largest guaranteed contract in NFL history (at the time).

D. He has always stated that Carson Wentz is the franchise quarterback of the Philadlephia Eagles and everything he has done in terms of contracts and "moves" state exactly that.  

 

So despite all of the above, you want me to believe that Howie Roseman drafted Hurts in order to preserve his job?  There's little chance of that being based in reality because as you can see, Howie Roseman and Carson Wentz are attached at the hips.  Wentz' last day as an Eagle is likely Howie's last day as GM/Player personnel. 

2 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

This is true.

However, you must concede that the actions of one idiot does not justify the actions of another.

It's not that I don't like Wentz (I do), it's just that I don't like these types of arguments.

If all your friends jumped off a bridge, would you?

If this is true we are just in trouble.  I just don't understand why Howie can do no wrong in Lurie's eyes.  The guy has single handedly decimated this roster.