17 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I had a feeling this was the predominant feeling around the league and it's the reason why if they decided to pull the trigger on a Wentz trade, they would still get very good value. I'm 100% against that because I'd rather see Wentz on this team with a competent coach who can scheme and play-call rather than Doug's scheming and play-calling with another QB like Hurts. I think most heads around the league view Wentz as being in an abusive home who needs to be rescued. 

 

Can’t be. Coaches are going to turn the job down to come here because of Wentz. 

21 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I had a feeling this was the predominant feeling around the league and it's the reason why if they decided to pull the trigger on a Wentz trade, they would still get very good value. I'm 100% against that because I'd rather see Wentz on this team with a competent coach who can scheme and play-call rather than Doug's scheming and play-calling with another QB like Hurts. I think most heads around the league view Wentz as being in an abusive home who needs to be rescued. 

He's salvageable but he needs a GM that gets him a healthy Oline and actual weapons. Also a OC and HC that design plays to his strengths

Also would be good to have a QB coach always trying to make him better

You know... like basic things a QB should have in the NFL lol

  Big yikes 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

  Big yikes 

I can’t remember which episode I watched of America’s Game on NFL Network that chronicles Super Bowl champion teams — but I do remember there was an episode where the team had to remove all semblances of the past Super Bowl trophies, etc from the building to get things moving forward again.

Parks isn’t the first outside person joining the team who has made that inference 

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I can’t remember which episode I watched of America’s Game on NFL Network that chronicles Super Bowl champion teams — but I do remember there was an episode where the team had to remove all semblances of the past Super Bowl trophies, etc from the building to get things moving forward again.

Parks isn’t the first outside person joining the team who has made that inference 

Yup. You can say one person like Scandrick is bitter. This is becoming a reoccurring theme.

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

  Big yikes 

If this is referencing what we assume it is, this organization is beyond embarrassing. Get over yourselves already. Didn't a couple people come out in the media after SB52 and say essentially that we would be a one year wonder and we would have trouble dealing with success? Why is this team so unlikeable sometimes? JFC.

5 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

If this is referencing what we assume it is, this organization is beyond embarrassing. Get over yourselves already. Didn't a couple people come out in the media after SB52 and say essentially that we would be a one year wonder and we would have trouble dealing with success? Why is this team so unlikeable sometimes? JFC.

I really did believe this group was capable of winning more than one Super Bowl, much like the Steelers, Ravens, and Giants teams who won a second championship a few years after the first.  It takes a special drive and focus to keep driving and chasing and, sadly, this organization just hasn’t had it — and now the window is firmly closed.

Too many people from the top down have gotten complacent.  I hate to pick on Doug, but writing a book always struck me as really dumb.  You’re free to do that when you’re writing a memoir looking back at career’s end, but not when you’ve hardly gotten started.

20 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

  Big yikes 

I get the feeling he’s referring to this organization’s blind loyalty to the 2017 players more so than the players living in the past. Continuously starting the likes of Alshon, JP, Mills, etc over younger players that have more potential and in some cases are even playing better. 

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I agree Schwartz has his annoying tendencies. I don’t agree with a lot of the fan base that assume whoever replaces him will be an upgrade. I hope I’m wrong, but I think this might be a case of careful what you wish for. 

Nah ... gotta go. We have to do better.

2 minutes ago, wtfcares said:

I get the feeling he’s referring to this organization’s blind loyalty to the 2017 players more so than the players living in the past. Continuously starting the likes of Alshon, JP, Mills, etc over younger players that have more potential and in some cases are even playing better. 

Could very well be but that in itself is a major problem and just another reason this needs a hard reboot 

19 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

If this is referencing what we assume it is, this organization is beyond embarrassing. Get over yourselves already. Didn't a couple people come out in the media after SB52 and say essentially that we would be a one year wonder and we would have trouble dealing with success? Why is this team so unlikeable sometimes? JFC.

I know Scandrick said it last year that the team was living in the past and couldn’t deal with handling success. Not sure if anyone else did. 

It's a reality for any team that wins the big one and still has its roster intact, you try again until it's obvious you've aged out of contention.

The problem comes with accepting that and moving on.

Phillies kept trying from 2009-2012, but instead of blowing it up in 2013, they waited until 2015.

Flyers same thing, it was obvious in the 2012 playoffs that the party was over, but Holmgren couldn't pull the trigger even after the Carter/Richards trades, had he build around the young core he obtained they could have been a contender by 2017, instead he aged out his veterans and reduced their trade value and blew out the cap - and it took 5 years for Hextall to fix the damage.

Sixers did it right, the process was working, then Harris caved in, brought in BC and in three years, a good chunk of the assets Hinkie accumulated were pissed away.

After last season, it was time to blow it up, instead Howie hoped for one last shot at the ring and everything has imploded.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

  Big yikes 

 

45 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Not the first time we are hearing this either. We all remember Scandrick. 

3 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Not the first time we are hearing this either. We all remember Scandrick. 

Truthfully, who cares?  Dude just lost his job.  Every organization has whiny, disgruntled employees (past and present).

It’s funny to read about the various rumors and trying to sort it all out. 

Doug doesn’t have much power at all in the building and doesn’t even have complete control of his coaching staff — not even on the offensive side of the ball.

Schwartz has immense power for a DC, total autonomy over his coaching staff and even he picked specific players for his defense. It seems when it comes to the draft though, his voice is irrelevant. 

Howie defers to Schwartz on certain vets, overruling his  player personnel folks. In the draft he overruled his scouts by going Reagor and Hurts over Jefferson and Chinn. Schwartz supposedly wanted Kenneth Murray. In 2019, we debated two WRs while on the clock, with Campbell being ranked higher on our board than JJAW. We chose the lower ranked player after a last-minute argument and then shortly thereafter extended the player he was expected to replace a year later  

If we take all of these reports at face value, what does it say about our organization?

The most rational decision to do is to fire Doug and Howie, completely move on from 2017 and prepare for the future.
2017 & 2018 were fun rides. We'll always appreciate it. That can only happen once they're gone.

Just now, RLC said:

The most rational decision to do is to fire Doug and Howie, completely move on from 2017 and prepare for the future.
2017 & 2018 were fun rides. We'll always appreciate it. That can only happen once they're gone.

I can be talked into different configurations for our 2021 front office and coaching staff, but none of them include Howie. At the very least, he needs to go. And with how dysfunctional everything appears to be, I’m good with a complete overhaul. 

That said, I’m glad to see some folks have come around on Schwartz. People act like he’s terrible at his job, and he’s nowhere close to bad. Frustrating, sure, but overall he’s a good DC. 

5 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Not the first time we are hearing this either. We all remember Scandrick. 

I didn't take that statement as if he meant Philadelphia is a horrible place to be. I think he meant that being waived and not having a job is a horrible place to be. Of course Miller was released afterward as well which is kind of ironic regardless of the intent.

8 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

  Big yikes 

Good.  Please Will Parks, be bitter, expose the Eagles all you can.  We need this garbage leadership out of here.

23 minutes ago, metal said:

I didn't take that statement as if he meant Philadelphia is a horrible place to be. I think he meant that being waived and not having a job is a horrible place to be. Of course Miller was released afterward as well which is kind of ironic regardless of the intent.

Huh? Why else would he make reference to 2017 in that case?

5 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Huh? Why else would he make reference to 2017 in that case?

Shareef Miller didn't make any references to 2017.

Maybe I misunderstood but I thought your statement was in reference to what Shareef Miller said. Maybe it wasn't.

15 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

I did. I really pushed hard to convince people on his jump ball ability. I said hes beyond a contested catch guy. He makes combat catches. 

I also believed in his quickness off the line. He didnt have speed to maintain separation but he a lot of times beat CBs very quickly off the line in college. 

And I thought he would settle in here as a slot WR. 

 

But no, at that point in round 2 I had other positions on my mind. At WR I had a bunch of speed WRs in mind, even in to later rounds who I felt were better fits than JJAW for us. 

I think most of us were hoping safety would be the choice.  I mean Thornhill and Adderley were both on the board. 

10 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Mixed feelings there. I think he’s a very boom or bust pick and it’s going to rely a lot on whose coaching him. 

yeah he could be REALLY good, or he could be a complete wash

53 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I can be talked into different configurations for our 2021 front office and coaching staff, but none of them include Howie. At the very least, he needs to go. And with how dysfunctional everything appears to be, I’m good with a complete overhaul. 

That said, I’m glad to see some folks have come around on Schwartz. People act like he’s terrible at his job, and he’s nowhere close to bad. Frustrating, sure, but overall he’s a good DC. 

My only real gripes with Scwhartz is his baffling lack of development of DB's, and his seemingly odd usage of personnel. In terms of scheme and results, he does a good enough job.