1 hour ago, metal said:

"He lines up well for us"

If 2016 and 2017 Jeffrey rubs off on JJAW, I’ll take it. 

So on the all 22 if people really are watching The guy who had the most wide open routes in that particular was ward in that game. I know shocking. He had 4 routes where he is 10 to 20 yards down the field wide open. However here’s the problem. Two he should’ve gotten the ball. And the other Two were slow developing plays. it was such a slow developing play to get him that wide open the left side of the line got pushed back and forced to dump it off short. The next one Matt pryor was so awful that he blocked nobody on the play as wentz moves and throws an awful pass. 

now let’s go to hightower because he had two plays in this game where he was wide open. One of them went looked at them and should’ve thrown the ball cause he was open and decides to go to a check down to Richard Rogers. That is on wentz because he should have gotten the ball out because it would’ve been a nice 15 to 20 yard pick up. However the second one later in the fourth quarter he would’ve had a touchdown if Matt pryor once again knew how to Fing block. Because Matt pryor gets beat at the snap and can’t recover. wentz is forced to roll to his left. Once  he does that even though hightower is around the 20-15 yard line with no one around him for 5-6 yards there’s no way he’s going to throw it across his body while he’s rolling to the left to hit him wide open for a touchdown. Instead it goes to sanders on a dump off. 

As for Jalen reagor do you have the one play where he was wide open with his hand up. Now that should be a ball thrown Quick out to him so he could’ve picked up yardage. However if you’re asking him what his route was when he ran it down the field he should’ve just kept going on a go route instead he comes into the middle of the field about 20 yards up right to where there was a safety. So I don’t understand the route he’s even running on that because he should’ve just did a straight go as soon as no one was on him and instead 20 yards down the field he’s coming back towards the middle of the field right to where there was a safety.

Add on Jalen reagor shouldve had a touchdown in this game. on the third downplay from the 17 were wentz was sacked it was set up to be a wide receiver screen to Jalen Reagor. He has Jason peters And Kelce on the second level to block the guys in front of him he also has Al Sean doing a pretty good job blocking the corner. So he only would’ve had one guy to beat down the field around the 5 to 7 yard line for a touchdown. Instead he runs the wrong route and you can see wet looking in that direction where the Seahawks came with a blitz to that side and were dead in the water. 

Yes there are guys getting open down the field. And some are on wentz not getting the ball there. however some you have other factors in play such as your o line because it’s a long developing play they don’t sustain enough blocking for you to get that ball down the field. Again they are some plays were Carson Wentz has Time to get the ball out to them just like there are times where the offensive line crumbles, or our blitz pick up by backs is atrocious and there’s no chance even if the guy is open down the field that you’re getting the ball out fast enough. On five of the six sacks in that game nobody got open. When I say nobody got open nobody got any separation. Now on three of Carson Wentz is runs again nobody got open except for a running back out of the backfield which would’ve only been a two to three yard gain.  

Let me just throw this out there to based off the all 22 are running backs are absolutely awful at blitz pick up. The regression we have seen from both Boston Scott and Miles Sanders in that area is huge. No one’s really talking about Duce getting on them about that.  

i’d also point out anybody watching the all 22 I would say three out of every four players on the last three drives of the game the Eagles had Matt pryor getting abused. Not just beat but abused by a lackluster Seattle Seahawks defensive line. 

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

The best-est part of looking back at that 2017 draft sequence of events was MIN trading up in front of the Saints (42) and Eagles (43) to draft Dalvin Cook at #41.  What did the Saints do?  Went ahead and drafted S Marcus Williams and used their #67 pick to select Alvin Kamara.  Because of the Tim Jernigan trade the Eagles had no pick between #43 and #99.  The Eagles had a desperate need at CB and had to force the pick because they selected a DE in the first round — and they were forced into betting Sydney Jones was a steal at #43, and hedged on their bet by double-dipping at CB with Rasul Douglas at #99 in case they were wrong.

‘Historic RB class’ and the Eagles came out of it empty handed on Day 1 and 2.  When asked about it, Howie said there were still "good 3-down RBs available”, then proceeded to trade-up to draft 169-lb Donnel Pumphrey — a zero-down RB with a 6th round draft grade

The Eagles got fed their lunch, threw it up, and got it fed to them again.  Now we have Derek Barnett and Nate Gerry remaining out of the eight draft picks.  What a cluster-F

 

Yup I remember hearing all the talk pre draft about that RB class being stacked, I remember hearing the reports that eagles liked cook and I thought if he was gone maybe they could get Kanara in the 2nd.

When none of that happened I thought well I guess howie is looking at 4-7th round RB.

When the Hollins pick came up I thought for sure it was going to be tarik cohen whom the eagles reportedly were also interested in.

When that didn't happen and they traded up into the 4th I figured jamal williams from byu or Marlon Mack whom I really liked, when they traded up for pumphrey I thought wow out of all the RBs in this draft Howie ends up trading up in the 4th for a pumphrey of all people😡

Aaron jones of the Packers went in the 5th the eagles took shelton Gibson in the 5th well ahead of jones😒

That whole draft was an epic failure as you have stated. Barnett is an ok pick but hasn't really shown to be worth where he was drafted though he's still just 24 years old

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Let me just throw this out there to based off the all 22 are running backs are absolutely awful at blitz pick up. The regression we have seen from both Boston Scott and Miles Sanders in that area is huge. No one’s really talking about Duce getting on them about that.  

Duce said it's not an issue. Could be coach speak, but media has asked him about it.

13 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Duce said it's not an issue. Could be coach speak, but media has asked him about it.

Yeah I don’t buy that. There was a play on a second down where they were running the RPO and you could see Kelce is beat. He was beaten pretty badly on that play. And wentz just kept the ball on the RPO and Sanders can help chip on that play or help kelce on the block and decide to just go out into his route. That play was doomed as soon as kelce was beat because Miles Sanders did not see it and help pick it up even though it was right in front of him. And Carson Wentz got absolutely destroyed on the play because of it. What was funny is the very next play the Seahawks sent a blitz where the Eagles had none enough guys to block it but Miles Sanders managed to give a pretty nice block on the Blitzer coming through the gap. That was actually Miles Sanders best blitz pick up of the game. There’s about three or four other instances of poor blitz pick up. There is another play where the Seahawks said a delayed blitz with Jamal Adams. But Jamal Adams was giving you science he was going to do that. He slowly creeps up and continues to do so. And it’s pretty noticeable. Sanders after a second of staying in to block decided  to go out on a route. he was covered so there’s no chance of that play getting to him. And Jamal Adams as soon as he goes out in the route  flies through that hole.  Normally you say that’s a great play by Jamal Adams except he was giving you signs that that’s what he was going to do. It was pretty obvious if you were paying attention to watch them all Adams was doing

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

I hate this so much.  I swear the Eagles are the only team to say crap like this.

They have to cover for Howie's ineptitude. 

Reporter: Why is Alshon playing?

 

Moorehead: (dont say Howie made me do it... dont say Howiez dont say Howie...)  "Um, he's a vet... and we need guys out there who... know where to line up while being completely useless, at least that way we dont take presnap penalties."   (WHEW... that was a close one.)

Reporter: Why is Jason Peters still jn the lineup?

 

Doug: (dont say to justify his "raise", dont say because he scares you.)  JP is a Hall of Fame player.  Thats leadership.  (Whew, hopefully Jason won't take my lunch money tomorrow.)

2 hours ago, Br3 said:

Howie really took a project from TCU w/ 5 touchdowns in the 1st round over a kid who had like 20 TDs, played in the toughest division in college and won a national championship. 
 

Let that sink in. 

Let it sink in yourself.  Howie is inept, but there were tons of people on this board that gave me crap for saying Jefferson was likely the best WR in this draft.  But Howie rarely listens to me, so I've given up hope on that.

Just a thought on Reagor vs Jefferon. Reagor had no OTAs, had an injury in TC and another injury in season. Snap wise, he's a raw prospect who is probably somewhere in a normal year, at the beginning to mid TC. 

Let alone a player on a basket case of a team.  He can be a lot, lot better, don't get me wrong.

2 hours ago, Br3 said:

Howie really took a project from TCU w/ 5 touchdowns in the 1st round over a kid who had like 20 TDs, played in the toughest division in college and won a national championship. 
 

Let that sink in. 

Let this sink in.... the eagles master plan to fixing the WR corps this up coming season was to rely on an injury prone wr in desean and drafting WRs during a pandemic where there was no offseason activities when they have been bad at drafting and developing at the position for much of the last decade. 

11 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

They have to cover for Howie's ineptitude. 

Reporter: Why is Alshon playing?

 

Moorehead: (dont say Howie made me do it... dont say Howiez dont say Howie...)  "Um, he's a vet... and we need guys out there who... know where to line up while being completely useless, at least that way we dont take presnap penalties."   (WHEW... that was a close one.)

Reporter: Why is Jason Peters still jn the lineup?

 

Doug: (dont say to justify his "raise", dont say because he scares you.)  JP is a Hall of Fame player.  Thats leadership.  (Whew, hopefully Jason won't take my lunch money tomorrow.)

I don’t buy that. While Howie may have paid these guys and put them on the team, Doug is the head coach and decides who on the team is starting and how many snaps. Howie is not forcing Doug to play Jeffrey over Fulgham. 

5 hours ago, eagle45 said:

When a plane crashes in a fiery heap of charred and twisted metal, people look for the black box so that they can learn from the root cause and prevent it from happening again.  They don't do it to salvage and reuse the engines, wings, or certain parts of the plane.  

Howie, Doug, and Wentz are all parts of a plane that is going down.  You can blame one root cause all you want, but they are all unsalvageable here. 

Your analogies are both insightful and morbidly depressing.  

2 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

Just a thought on Reagor vs Jefferon. Reagor had no OTAs, had an injury in TC and another injury in season. Snap wise, he's a raw prospect who is probably somewhere in a normal year, at the beginning to mid TC. 

Let alone a player on a basket case of a team.  He can be a lot, lot better, don't get me wrong.

Of course.   I think everyone knew that Jefferson was very nearly a finished product coming out.  He was an extremely high floor player, and I looked at him as an instant upgrade, plug and play type.  Reagor, on the other hand, played in a weak conference, against weak competition, with a bad QB (Sounds like this rookie season in the NFC East.) and was far from polished.  He was billed as an athletic freak (remember the discussions about him potentially beating the all-time 40 record at the Combine?), but what bothers me the most is that I haven't seen that athlete much.  I haven't seen the speed, haven't seen the agility, haven't seen the athleticism.  I was expecting to see flashes... then again, I don't know what he could really show, given that Ward is the one getting the flanker screens, they don't use a jet sweep, so... when can he show it?  

 

This front office from Howie down and the entire coaching staff can just go.  I am sick of it.

1 minute ago, wtfcares said:

I don’t buy that. While Howie may have paid these guys and put them on the team, Doug is the head coach and decides who on the team is starting and how many snaps. Howie is not forcing Doug to play Jeffrey over Fulgham. 

There are reports that that may not be true.  It might be all on Doug, but things are looking like Howie is the biggest source of the problem.   But, blow Doug out too.  I want them all gone.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

There are reports that that may not be true.  It might be all on Doug, but things are looking like Howie is the biggest source of the problem.   But, blow Doug out too.  I want them all gone.

I'm getting there bud. Howie absolutely without doubt, do it now before he can do more damage. Doug, I'm still not out out on Doug but I wouldn't be upset if he were to be fired. 

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Of course.   I think everyone knew that Jefferson was very nearly a finished product coming out.  He was an extremely high floor player, and I looked at him as an instant upgrade, plug and play type.  Reagor, on the other hand, played in a weak conference, against weak competition, with a bad QB (Sounds like this rookie season in the NFC East.) and was far from polished.  He was billed as an athletic freak (remember the discussions about him potentially beating the all-time 40 record at the Combine?), but what bothers me the most is that I haven't seen that athlete much.  I haven't seen the speed, haven't seen the agility, haven't seen the athleticism.  I was expecting to see flashes... then again, I don't know what he could really show, given that Ward is the one getting the flanker screens, they don't use a jet sweep, so... when can he show it?  

 

This front office from Howie down and the entire coaching staff can just go.  I am sick of it.

We haven't seen it, but ultimately, its because the coaching staff need to do a better job of putting himself into a place to succeed.  Is that AR enough? 😉

The coaches aren't using Reagor right, and it's making him look like he's a bad pick, especially when the player taken next is bossing it. Agree, this organisation needs metaphorically burning down from the inside out.  I can't recall a time that so many fans and media are in the same place.

This is not good enough

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Of course.   I think everyone knew that Jefferson was very nearly a finished product coming out.  He was an extremely high floor player, and I looked at him as an instant upgrade, plug and play type.  Reagor, on the other hand, played in a weak conference, against weak competition, with a bad QB (Sounds like this rookie season in the NFC East.) and was far from polished.  He was billed as an athletic freak (remember the discussions about him potentially beating the all-time 40 record at the Combine?), but what bothers me the most is that I haven't seen that athlete much.  I haven't seen the speed, haven't seen the agility, haven't seen the athleticism.  I was expecting to see flashes... then again, I don't know what he could really show, given that Ward is the one getting the flanker screens, they don't use a jet sweep, so... when can he show it?  

 

This front office from Howie down and the entire coaching staff can just go.  I am sick of it.

Yup. The jet sweep or motion toss to him would help us get some nice yards on a first or second down play to make our third downs manageable. It’s what teams like he rams do with woods and niners with deebo. As for flanker screen he had one in the Seahawks game. He looked really good. Broke some tackles and even made a defender miss to get nice gain. Problem is we don’t run them nearly enough to utilize his strengths. This is like having an empty back field on 2nd and 10 in the red zone and sending out the personnel of rodgers, goedert, Wilson, Scott and Hightower. So arguably your three top WRs are on the sideline for Caleb Wilson 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yup. The jet sweep or motion toss to him would help us get some nice yards on a first or second down play to make our third downs manageable. It’s what teams like he rams do with woods and niners with deebo. As for flanker screen he had one in the Seahawks game. He looked really good. Broke some tackles and even made a defender miss to get nice gain. Problem is we don’t run them nearly enough to utilize his strengths. This is like having an empty back field on 2nd and 10 in the red zone and sending out the personnel of rodgers, goedert, Wilson, Scott and Hightower. So arguably your three top WRs are on the sideline for Caleb Wilson 

The Rams make Woods look a like a better player than he is.  On this team and many others, he'd be irrelevant as the scheme can't compensate for his inadequacies. 

2 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

We haven't seen it, but ultimately, its because the coaching staff need to do a better job of putting himself into a place to succeed.  Is that AR enough? 😉

The coaches aren't using Reagor right, and it's making him look like he's a bad pick, especially when the player taken next is bossing it. Agree, this organisation needs metaphorically burning down from the inside out.  I can't recall a time that so many fans and media are in the same place.

This is not good enough

Absolutely.  Ward on flankers screens.  In the last game Desean played they used him on a jet sweep... but haven't used it with Reagor.  

 

And then Doug goes in to a PC... and really feels like this: 

 

But instead says: 

 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yup. The jet sweep or motion toss to him would help us get some nice yards on a first or second down play to make our third downs manageable. It’s what teams like he rams do with woods and niners with deebo. As for flanker screen he had one in the Seahawks game. He looked really good. Broke some tackles and even made a defender miss to get nice gain. Problem is we don’t run them nearly enough to utilize his strengths. This is like having an empty back field on 2nd and 10 in the red zone and sending out the personnel of rodgers, goedert, Wilson, Scott and Hightower. So arguably your three top WRs are on the sideline for Caleb Wilson 

1.   And Ward had how many?  Its ludicrous.  I think that one to Reagor must have been a mistake.

Just now, UK Eagle said:

The Rams make Woods look a like a better player than he is.  On this team and many others, he'd be irrelevant as the scheme can't compensate for his inadequacies. 

He’s much better than what he was with the bills. He was solid there but he’s become a very good WRs in the league. It’s cause they have tailored the offense to fit goff’s skill set and utilizes his strengths. They got rid of cooks cause of money/concussion concerns but also another reason was it’s not what Goff does best. So you were throwing a lot of money at a WR who wouldn’t be maximized in their offense with Goff’s skill set 

2 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

The Rams make Woods look a like a better player than he is.  On this team and many others, he'd be irrelevant as the scheme can't compensate for his inadequacies. 

Two words:  

Joe. 
Brady.

 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Absolutely.  Ward on flankers screens.  In the last game Desean played they used him on a jet sweep... but haven't used it with Reagor.  

 

And then Doug goes in to a PC... and really feels like this: 

 

But instead says: 

 

1.   And Ward had how many?  Its ludicrous.  I think that one to Reagor must have been a mistake.

In that game not as much as in previous games. I’d have to look at my notes watching the all 22 when i get home. I believe 3 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Two words:  

Joe. 
Brady.

 

If they fire doug that’s the guy i want. Watching carolina’s all 22 is fun to see what they come up with and how they maximize players skill sets 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

In that game not as much as in previous games. I’d have to look at my notes watching the all 22 when i get home. I believe 3 

That's still 3 too many.

3 hours ago, Casey @ Bat said:

Here’s hoping Aaron Rodgers gets hit by a bus before 4pm Sunday 

I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy. I hope it’s a fun game with no injuries.

29 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Let this sink in.... the eagles master plan to fixing the WR corps this up coming season was to rely on an injury prone wr in desean and drafting WRs during a pandemic where there was no offseason activities when they have been bad at drafting and developing at the position for much of the last decade. 

DeSean Jackson

Marquise Goodwin

Alshon Jeffery

JJAW (There was still hope at the time)

Jalen Reagor 

John Hightower

Greg Ward

Quez Watkins

 

Those were the WR's on the roster after the draft.  Nostradamus couldn't of predicted that core of WR's somehow would not have worked out.  In this very BLOG we were contemplating keeping at least 6 because the WR core was so strong!  We were worried about losing one or two to waivers since we couldn't keep 7 Wr's on the roster.  

Then add the emergence of Fulgham.  This team's issues are not at WR.  

 

7 minutes ago, MrGreenBay said:

I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy. I hope it’s a fun game with no injuries.

That's actually a compliment coming from an Eagles fan.  Don't take it to heart, rough crowd around here.