26 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

DeSean Jackson

Marquise Goodwin

Alshon Jeffery

JJAW (There was still hope at the time)

Jalen Reagor 

John Hightower

Greg Ward

Quez Watkins

 

Those were the WR's on the roster after the draft.  Nostradamus couldn't of predicted that core of WR's somehow would not have worked out.  In this very BLOG we were contemplating keeping at least 6 because the WR core was so strong!  We were worried about losing one or two to waivers since we couldn't keep 7 Wr's on the roster.  

Then add the emergence of Fulgham.  This team's issues are not at WR.  

 

Goodwin— hasn’t been good since 2017 and injury prone 

DeSean— injury prone and not reliable 

alshon— should’ve been cut if he wasn’t owed the money he was. Coming off a lis franc injury. He done and was done as soon as that injury happen. Only you believed he would be useful months ago.

jjaw— bust who didn’t have an offseason due to the pandemic was somehow going to be better with less coaching this offseason then last  

Hightower— 5th round rookie wr. So that’s a smart plan relying on a rookie WR in the midst of a pandemic who was known to be a project

watkins— see hightower but a round later was drafted. And also needed to add bulk to play at this level

reagor— read sheil Kapadia’s about relying on rookies heading into a year  and yes he’s running some poor routes and DOUG and the COACHing staff doesn’t use him properly  

fulgham— again coaching staff targeted him as the main first progression 3 times on the all 22  and even he was a project hence why 2 other teams released him 

I said week one much like all the Fing offseason it was a stupid plan. Sheil kapadia had a lengthy article saying. So. Only you seem to keep defending it even though all 22 shows bad routes by fulgham and reagor, reagor not knowing plays, alshon looking slow as hell giving half ass efforts on comebacks.  

if you don’t think WRs are once again a problem you are delusional. Are they the overwhelming problem? No. However they are still a problem. You are especially delusional thinking they are even remotely being used correctly. Go watch reagor getting a back shoulder fade against bradberry on 4th down. That happens a lot on all 22 with our personnel  

again go back to the offseason. My posts are there saying it was a dumb plan. So no it didn’t take Nostradamus to figure it out. Literally BWF podcast called them out for how bad it was in May. So did Jeff mclane and so did zangaro/roob in their podcast said it wasn’t a very good plan. Sadly the only person still defending it is you when it’s now clearly obvious it wasn’t a very good plan 

oh and we were worried about losing a WR because the eagles were dumb enough to take jeffery off pup which had played out to be just as moronic. 

yes but you are right relying on 3 rookies (two being late round rookies), injury prone desean, injury prone Goodwin who hadn’t been good in 2 years, injury prone coming off injury alshon, JJAW who has been a bum with no offseason activities and Greg ward to start the season sounds like a spectacularly good plan 🙄

 

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

 

Jefferson has turned out to be the best Rookie wr so far in Thai class. However just pointing out lamb was on pace for over 1386 yards and 7 tds before Dak Prescott got hurt. 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Let it sink in yourself.  Howie is inept, but there were tons of people on this board that gave me crap for saying Jefferson was likely the best WR in this draft.  But Howie rarely listens to me, so I've given up hope on that.

I don’t blame ppl for giving you crap if you predicted Jefferson would be better than Jeudy and honestly that remains to be seen.... but if anyone gave you crap for wanting Jefferson over Reagor then they likely went to the Howie Roseman school of talent evaluation because even a blind monkey knows you take Jefferson there 10/10. 

15 minutes ago, Br3 said:

I don’t blame ppl for giving you crap if you predicted Jefferson would be better than Jeudy and honestly that remains to be seen.... but if anyone gave you crap for wanting Jefferson over Reagor then they likely went to the Howie Roseman school of talent evaluation because even a blind monkey knows you take Jefferson there 10/10. 

i think there was more people that had a strong feeling they’d take reagor cause they envisioned him as what they lost after week 1 with desean. I was ok with them going jefferson if they believed he was capable of playing outside at the nfl level. however the eagles evaluating WRs has been bad for a while so that’s a risky proposition for them knowing what they are doing. But i figured they would go reagor over jefferson just cause the narrative was well you saw week one with desean so we need to get that type of player of that type of fit. That’s how it felt leading up to the draft. 

that said there were people on he clamoring for Denzel mims in the first round on here. To me that second tier of wide receiver was jefferson, reagor, aiyuk, Higgins and teetering was shenault due to his injury to his groin at the combine. Shenault by the time the draft hit was more tier three with Pittman, mims, claypool and hamler. 

to me i wasn’t as high on ruggs as others (don and I got into it about him) and frankly didn’t think he’d make it into an area where you could trade up. But i thought with what the eagles offseason plan was either you needed to trade up to get one of the top 3 to justify not addressing WR adequately until the draft or trade back and stockpile picks cause you lacked enough youth on the roster for sustainable success going forward. 

47 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

DeSean Jackson

Marquise Goodwin

Alshon Jeffery

JJAW (There was still hope at the time)

Jalen Reagor 

John Hightower

Greg Ward

Quez Watkins

 

Those were the WR's on the roster after the draft.  Nostradamus couldn't of predicted that core of WR's somehow would not have worked out.  In this very BLOG we were contemplating keeping at least 6 because the WR core was so strong!  We were worried about losing one or two to waivers since we couldn't keep 7 Wr's on the roster.  

Then add the emergence of Fulgham.  This team's issues are not at WR.  

 

Is this for real? Everyone and their mother knew that DeSean would at best play 10 games this year (shocker, it turned out to be less), Alshon was coming off an injury, JJAW was coming off an awful rookie campaign, Goodwin is a JAG and had been for the past two seasons, Ward is a practice squad player and at best a #4/5 WR, and the rest were rookies which is always a crapshoot. My ceiling expectation for the receivers this year was that Reagor would have been a hit and one of either Hightower or Watkins would establish themselves as a consistent deep threat for this team. But I should have known better to know that this team rarely finds significant impact players in later rounds. 

26 minutes ago, Br3 said:

I don’t blame ppl for giving you crap if you predicted Jefferson would be better than Jeudy and honestly that remains to be seen.... but if anyone gave you crap for wanting Jefferson over Reagor then they likely went to the Howie Roseman school of talent evaluation because even a blind monkey knows you take Jefferson there 10/10. 

Well, they did.   And yet, the argument was 'Jefferson is only a slot guy'.   Well, that's 100% wrong, and has been proven as such.

 

But, do we need to relive the Jefferson/Reagor thing every day?   But, hey, thanks for reminding us and letting it sink in.  You seem to actually think that there's someone on this board who hasn't already had Howie's ineptitude in the draft sunk in?  

1 minute ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Is this for real? Everyone and their mother knew that DeSean would at best play 10 games this year (shocker, it turned to be less), Alshon was coming off an injury, JJAW was coming off an awful rookie campaign, Goodwin is a JAG and had been for the past two seasons, Ward is a practice squad player and at best a #4/5 WR, and the rest were rookies. My ceiling expectation for the receivers this year was that Reagor would have been a hit and one of either Hightower or Watkins would establish themselves as a consistent deep threat for this team. But I should have known better to know that this team rarely finds significant impact players in later rounds. 

Doesn’t even cover it all.

Goodwin has had one good year in his career and injury prone all throughout his career.

desean was injury prone and hadn’t played more than 12 games in over 3 seasons now. In now 4 of 6 years he hasn’t played 13 or more games. He’s unreliable. Yet we have him telling us how great he was. This isn’t 2010 anymore. He doesn’t stay healthy. 

JJAW was a bum last year with offseason activities. So he was going to improve majority without team activities this offseason? That seems like a stretch. 

rookie WRs are very hit and miss in the draft when comes to production week to week as rookies. Sheil kapadia talked about it all offseason leading up to the draft and after and in an article he posted. So just assuming during a pandemic with no offseason activities that your rookie WRs would just hit the ground running was kind foolish when you looked deeper into the analytics especially with an organization that doesn’t draft and develop well at the position on top of that. I still like Hightower and Watkins but expecting them year one to be contributors was a bad plan especially considering lack of offseason activities and they were projects. It’s why Watkins has really yet to see the field.  

And relying on alshon coming back and being decent was laughable. Yet he somehow defended like alshon comes back we are going to be fine like 8 weeks ago . Everyone knew the only reason he was back was cause the eagles couldn’t unload his contract. He shouldn’t even be playing right now on this team. 

think about this for a moment Greg ward (alshon wasn’t playing until weeks down the road) entering the season had the most snaps with wentz and most reliable WR we had when you consider 3 rookies, desean missed most of the season last year, JJAW actually had less snaps then ward last year. Yup that screams a recipe for success during a pandemic. Lol 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

i think there was more people that had a strong feeling they’d take reagor cause they envisioned him as what they lost after week 1 with desean. I was ok with them going jefferson if they believed he was capable of playing outside at the nfl level. however the eagles evaluating WRs has been bad for a while so that’s a risky proposition for them knowing what they are doing. But i figured they would go reagor over jefferson just cause the narrative was well you saw week one with desean so we need to get that type of player fit 

that said there were people on he clamoring for Denzel mims in the first round on here. To me that second tier of wide receiver was jefferson, reagor, aiyuk, Higgins and teetering was shenault due to his injury to his groin at the combine. Shenault by the time the draft hit was more tier three with Pittman, mims, claypool and hamler. 

to me i wasn’t as high on ruggs as others (don and I got into it about him) and frankly didn’t think he’d make it into an area where you could trade up. But i thought with what the eagles offseason plan was either you needed to trade up to get one of the top 3 to justify not addressing WR adequately until the draft or trade back and stockpile picks cause you lacked enough youth on the roster for sustainable success going forward. 

People wanted Mims in the 1st? That’s crazy. To be fair we don’t know what Mims is capable of because if there’s one offense worse than the Eagles, it’s the Jets. Reagor to me was the safer pick between him and Ruggs who I viewed as boom or bust. My criticism of Reagor has less to do with him and more to do with what Jefferson is capable of. Anyone without an agenda can see Reagor isn’t trash, he just could use a coach/qb who helps him out a bit instead of putting him in terrible positions 

I was also pretty high on Hamler and have not heard his name all season 

39 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Goodwin— hasn’t been good since 2017 and injury prone 

DeSean— injury prone and not reliable 

alshon— should’ve been cut if he wasn’t owed the money he was. Coming off a lis franc injury. He done and was done as soon as that injury happen. Only you believed he would be useful months ago.

jjaw— bust who didn’t have an offseason due to the pandemic was somehow going to be better with less coaching this offseason then last  

Hightower— 5th round rookie wr. So that’s a smart plan relying on a rookie WR in the midst of a pandemic who was known to be a project

watkins— see hightower but a round later was drafted. And also needed to add bulk to play at this level

reagor— read sheil Kapadia’s about relying on rookies heading into a year  and yes he’s running some poor routes and DOUG and the COACHing staff doesn’t use him properly  

fulgham— again coaching staff targeted him as the main first progression 3 times on the all 22  and even he was a project hence why 2 other teams released him 

I said week one much like all the Fing offseason it was a stupid plan. Sheil kapadia had a lengthy article saying. So. Only you seem to keep defending it even though all 22 shows bad routes by fulgham and reagor, reagor not knowing plays, alshon looking slow as hell giving half ass efforts on comebacks.  

if you don’t think WRs are once again a problem you are delusional. Are they the overwhelming problem? No. However they are still a problem. You are especially delusional thinking they are even remotely being used correctly. Go watch reagor getting a back shoulder fade against bradberry on 4th down. That happens a lot on all 22 with our personnel  

again go back to the offseason. My posts are there saying it was a dumb plan. So no it didn’t take Nostradamus to figure it out. Literally BWF podcast called them out for how bad it was in May. So did Jeff mclane and so did zangaro/roob in their podcast said it wasn’t a very good plan. Sadly the only person still defending it is you when it’s now clearly obvious it wasn’t a very good plan 

oh and we were worried about losing a WR because the eagles were dumb enough to take jeffery off pup which had played out to be just as moronic. 

yes but you are right relying on 3 rookies (two being late round rookies), injury prone desean, injury prone Goodwin who hadn’t been good in 2 years, injury prone coming off injury alshon, JJAW who has been a bum with no offseason activities and Greg ward to start the season sounds like a spectacularly good plan 🙄

I'm not getting into this with you again.  Just change your screen name to Nostradamus. 

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I'm not getting into this with you again.  Just change your screen name to Nostradamus. 

I would if i wasn’t the only one who saw it coming. Sheil kapadia, bo wulf, and countless others said it multiple times from March to the start of the season it was a bad plan of attack. I wasn’t the only one so i can’t say I’m the only one who saw it. 

I highly suggest reading Kapadia’s article i want to say mid-April he discusses this at length with analytics why just relying on the draft at WR (along with desean being unreliable) was not a good plan of attack. 

11 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Is this for real? Everyone and their mother knew that DeSean would at best play 10 games this year (shocker, it turned out to be less), Alshon was coming off an injury, JJAW was coming off an awful rookie campaign, Goodwin is a JAG and had been for the past two seasons, Ward is a practice squad player and at best a #4/5 WR, and the rest were rookies which is always a crapshoot. My ceiling expectation for the receivers this year was that Reagor would have been a hit and one of either Hightower or Watkins would establish themselves as a consistent deep threat for this team. But I should have known better to know that this team rarely finds significant impact players in later rounds. 

Right.  Out of those 8 one would think at least 2-3 would have decent seasons.  

And let's not kid ourselves. Had we had at least "average" play at QB at least two or three of those guys would be having much better seasons. 

I’d like to see some 12 personnel with Alshon and Ward this week.  Who is with me?

They showed that look multiple times last week.  
 

Defenses won’t know how to defend that formation.  And by that, I mean they won’t know who they actually need to bother defending. 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

Right.  Out of those 8 one would think at least 2-3 would have decent seasons.  

And let's not kid ourselves. Had we had at least "average" play at QB at least two or three of those guys would be having much better seasons. 

This franchise has drafted 2 wrs in the last 30 years who are better than #3 slot WRs. 
 

You really think one should assume that a first round pick, 5th round pick, and 6th round pick would combine into a decent wr corps in their rookie year?

12 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Well, they did.   And yet, the argument was 'Jefferson is only a slot guy'.   Well, that's 100% wrong, and has been proven as such.

 

But, do we need to relive the Jefferson/Reagor thing every day?   But, hey, thanks for reminding us and letting it sink in.  You seem to actually think that there's anyone on this board who hasn't already had Howie's ineptitude in the draft sunk in?  

Believe it or not there is a church of Howie Roseman that lives beneath the refrigerators of this board who will come out in the middle of the night and tell you JJAW over Metcalf was the right pick there and you take Reagor over Jefferson because he is a better fit for the scheme. But when you ask them to explain what scheme we run, they run back underneath the fridge. 
 

I kno it’s a painful topic to discuss but it isnt going anywhere. Howie continues to pass on obvious talent during historic position class years and the fans are the ones who have to suffer through it. Trust me I wish I could sit back and pretend it doesnt exist but that clearly does not work for the majority of us and that’s why the topic gets brought up literally every day. 

11 minutes ago, Br3 said:

People wanted Mims in the 1st? That’s crazy. To be fair we don’t know what Mims is capable of because if there’s one offense worse than the Eagles, it’s the Jets. Reagor to me was the safer pick between him and Ruggs who I viewed as boom or bust. My criticism of Reagor has less to do with him and more to do with what Jefferson is capable of. Anyone without an agenda can see Reagor isn’t trash, he just could use a coach/qb who helps him out a bit instead of putting him in terrible positions 

I was also pretty high on Hamler and have not heard his name all season 

Yup we had people leading up to the draft on the old board wanting mims as if he was a can’t miss prospect. Mims to his credit has been showing some signs as of late of being a solid WR. 

I loved shenault but once his groin injury happened no way you could take him anywhere close to 20. I was hoping he’d fall to 53 but that wasn’t realistic. I feel bad he’s playing in Jacksonville cause they are clueless on how to use him... and chark tbh. 

i think reagor is going to be fine. My pre-draft comparison i had was Chris chambers. He reminded me a lot of chambers who had a good career. Good wr just not a superstar wr. There’s coaching and QB hurting him. He also doesn’t help himself when you see on tape he runs a route where he’s fading into the sideline when running his route and basically takes himself out of a play. Then he didn’t know a play which was a WR screen for him that’s blocked really well for him to get a touchdown if he runs the play. It’s a multitude of different things out and in his control. 

In hamler’s defense he was hurt i believe and then lock was out multiple games. Noah fant who i love hasn’t been nearly as successful due to everything going on there. 

8 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Right.  Out of those 8 one would think at least 2-3 would have decent seasons.  

And let's not kid ourselves. Had we had at least "average" play at QB at least two or three of those guys would be having much better seasons. 

The fact that we had to "think" and "hope" that a couple of those guys would have decent seasons is what makes it a question mark and not a sure-fire thing. I think people were hopeful and eager for the receivers because we no longer had to see Deontay Burnett and Robert Davis out there, but "hopeful" is the only thing that people were about them. I don't think anyone thought they were a sure-fire strength to this team. I was more excited for Ertz and Goedert than the receivers just because they had some speedsters who would be able to open things up for them. 

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I’d like to see some 12 personnel with Alshon and Ward this week.  Who is with me?

They showed that look multiple times last week.  
 

Defenses won’t know how to defend that formation.  And by that, I mean they won’t know who they actually need to bother defending. 

This past week, I think I finally turned the corner to hoping this team losses out.  Just typing this out... makes me sad.   

 

So, I'm going to cook a NY Strip steak, eat it... and try to make the bad feelings go away. 

2 minutes ago, Br3 said:

Believe it or not there is a church of Howie Roseman that lives beneath the refrigerators of this board who will come out in the middle of the night and tell you JJAW was the right pick there and you take Reagor over Jefferson because he is a better fit for the scheme. But when you ask them to explain what scheme we run, they run back underneath the fridge. 
 

I kno it’s a painful topic to discuss but it isnt going anywhere. Howie continues to pass on obvious talent during historic position class years and the fans are the ones who have to suffer through it. Trust me I wish I could sit back and pretend it doesnt exist but that doesn’t work for all of us 

It's not sitting back and pretending it doesn't exist.  It's just time for a new conversation.   Take those that live under the fridge and put them ignore.   You will save yourself a lot of time not rehashing the same things with them... over and over and over.

 

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

This franchise has drafted 2 wrs in the last 30 years who are better than #3 slot WRs. 
 

You really think one should assume that a first round pick, 5th round pick, and 6th round pick would combine into a decent wr corps in their rookie year?

Speaking of delusional people... why respond to a guy who includes JJAW and Alshon on a list of players who could form part of a capable stable of receivers?

Probably not the time to bring this up but Robby Anderson is 4th in the league in receptions, 9th in yards and somehow only has 2tds. 

9 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

This franchise has drafted 2 wrs in the last 30 years who are better than #3 slot WRs. 
 

You really think one should assume that a first round pick, 5th round pick, and 6th round pick would combine into a decent wr corps in their rookie year?

With DeSean Jackson, Goodwin, Jeffery, JJAW and Fulgham?

Yes, without question at least two of those 8 would be having exponentially better seasons if our QB could complete a pass over 10 yards with any sort of consistency.  Without question. 

45 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Jefferson has turned out to be the best Rookie wr so far in Thai class. However just pointing out lamb was on pace for over 1386 yards and 7 tds before Dak Prescott got hurt. 

Weird, a talented WR with a crap QB isn't producing?? Maybe the cowboys should have picked jefferson, he's lighting it up!!!

Howie addressed the receiver position like some Madden GM would. He knew this team needed speed at that spot, so it's like he just took a look at 40 times and speed ratings and went with three guys in Goodwin, Hightower, and Watkins and said "There! I fixed it!" I'll be fair to Hightower and Watkins and give them a pass this year because of how chaotic the offseason was with COVID and they're still rookies, but anyone who thought that those three guys were guaranteed to be significant contributors and transform this offense doesn't realize that more goes into a receiver than 40 time. 

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Speaking of delusional people... why respond to a guy who includes JJAW and Alshon on a list of players who could form part of a capable stable of receivers?

The jury was still out on JJAW and Jeffery has been a great WR with any QB not named Carson Wentz.