3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Given that the play-calling didn't get much better in the 2nd half, I don't think it matters.

It's not like changing the play caller made much difference. How many points did we score in the 2nd half? One FG until garbage time.

20 minutes ago, RLC said:

What are the odds Peters does this? 1%?

As long as Wentz believes what he's saying and not just doing it because Pederson wants him to, he might get himself sorted out.

I posted this in the Fulgham thread in response to ManchesterEagle saying "it looks like he hit a wall" but wanted to share it here.

 

I was saying this, and it might still be true BUT - when I said Fulgham just doesn't have the athleticism to be a top WR someone pointed out to me he has virtually the same measurables as DeAndre Hopkins ... and it's Scary True

Hopkins - 6' 1" 214 lbs ; Arm 33 3/8 hand 10" ; 40 - 4.57; 10yd split 1.62; 20yd split 2.69; 20yd shuttle 4.5; 3 cone 6.83; VJ 36" ; BJ 9' 7"; BP 15 reps

Fulgham - 6'2" 215 lbs; Arm 33 3/4 Hand 9.5: 40 4.58; 10yd split 1.60; 20yd split 2.70; 20yd shuttle 4.22 (Pro Day) 3 cone 6.84 (Pro Day); VJ 36.5"; BJ 10' 6" ; BP 15 reps

The only thing keeping Fulgham from achieving star status is between his ears.

32 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

The truth shall set you free, Pederson haters. 

 

Well the Eagles made a run the last 2 years to make the playoffs.  This was right around the time they start playing better (4-5 games left).  

Schedule is much tougher this time and honestly I want them to lose out, well maybe beat Dallas again.  They need the higher draft picks to add some youth.  Even if Howie is still GM, it'll be harder to miss in the draft if you're picking top 5.

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

The truth shall set you free, Pederson haters. 

 

I dont think it's the play calling.  It's the play design that's the problem.

40 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Didn't Doug say in his PC that it's a collaborative group that designs the plays but ultimately Doug calls the plays during the game?

Now this comes out. So what info is correct?

7 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

I posted this in the Fulgham thread in response to ManchesterEagle saying "it looks like he hit a wall" but wanted to share it here.

 

I was saying this, and it might still be true BUT - when I said Fulgham just doesn't have the athleticism to be a top WR someone pointed out to me he has virtually the same measurables as DeAndre Hopkins ... and it's Scary True

Hopkins - 6' 1" 214 lbs ; Arm 33 3/8 hand 10" ; 40 - 4.57; 10yd split 1.62; 20yd split 2.69; 20yd shuttle 4.5; 3 cone 6.83; VJ 36" ; BJ 9' 7"; BP 15 reps

Fulgham - 6'2" 215 lbs; Arm 33 3/4 Hand 9.5: 40 4.58; 10yd split 1.60; 20yd split 2.70; 20yd shuttle 4.22 (Pro Day) 3 cone 6.84 (Pro Day); VJ 36.5"; BJ 10' 6" ; BP 15 reps

The only thing keeping Fulgham from achieving star status is between his ears.

Everyone has the same measurables as Hopkins because they aren’t good.  That doesn’t mean everyone with below average speed has what it takes to achieve star status.

Fulgham is potentially the most rapidly overhyped player in Eagles history.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Everyone has the same measurables as Hopkins because they aren’t good.  That doesn’t mean everyone with below average speed has what it takes to achieve star status.

Fulgham is potentially the most rapidly overhyped player in Eagles history.

Did you forget Ward last season already?

48 minutes ago, RLC said:

What are the odds Peters does this? 1%?

He'll do it if they pay him more money.

12 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

I posted this in the Fulgham thread in response to ManchesterEagle saying "it looks like he hit a wall" but wanted to share it here.

 

I was saying this, and it might still be true BUT - when I said Fulgham just doesn't have the athleticism to be a top WR someone pointed out to me he has virtually the same measurables as DeAndre Hopkins ... and it's Scary True

Hopkins - 6' 1" 214 lbs ; Arm 33 3/8 hand 10" ; 40 - 4.57; 10yd split 1.62; 20yd split 2.69; 20yd shuttle 4.5; 3 cone 6.83; VJ 36" ; BJ 9' 7"; BP 15 reps

Fulgham - 6'2" 215 lbs; Arm 33 3/4 Hand 9.5: 40 4.58; 10yd split 1.60; 20yd split 2.70; 20yd shuttle 4.22 (Pro Day) 3 cone 6.84 (Pro Day); VJ 36.5"; BJ 10' 6" ; BP 15 reps

The only thing keeping Fulgham from achieving star status is between his ears.

Or between Dougs ears.

5 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I dont think it's the play calling.  It's the play design that's the problem.

That's already been shown/proven to be an inaccurate assessment in just about every All-22 this year.  There have been players open all over the field, most of the season.   Not to mention the fact that Pederson has needed to constantly change the plays based on Wentz' regression this year.

 

48 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

And they scored... hmmm.... 3 points, not counting the Hail Mary throw.  I know I'm impressed.

44 minutes ago, RLC said:

Given that the play-calling didn't get much better in the 2nd half, I don't think it matters.

I'd like to hire Gordon Ramsey to just clear out both sides of the building... the front office and the coaching staff.

 

 

16 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Well the Eagles made a run the last 2 years to make the playoffs.  This was right around the time they start playing better (4-5 games left).  

Schedule is much tougher this time and honestly I want them to lose out, well maybe beat Dallas again.  They need the higher draft picks to add some youth.  Even if Howie is still GM, it'll be harder to miss in the draft if you're picking top 5.

If that happens...this is the internal high level meeting inside my brain... you'll see my Eagles' fan exec making the decision.

 

3 hours ago, RLC said:

What are the odds Peters does this? 1%?

 

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

He'll do it if they pay him more money.

You guys call me delusional?

The only delusional ones around here are the ones that are still blaming Pederson for the majority of this team's woe's.  I can just about assure you Pederson has addressed the team (probably on more than one occasion) and I'm sure he's taken (at least) some accountability.  The reason you don't hear it reported when Pederson does it is because that's something leaders do.  It's not really "out of the ordinary". 

The sad thing is we are applauding a 5th year, franchise QB for doing something he should have already been doing for the past 4+ years.(I'll give rookie QB's a bye) ....which is to take accountability for his poor performance/mistakes, if his performances/mistakes are affecting the team.

I'm glad he's gotten around to it by now...but it took him this long?  And he had to be "encouraged" by Pederson to do so.  If you guys think that's "normal" well....

Just now, Ace Nova said:

 

You guys call me delusional?

The only delusional ones around here are the ones that are still blaming Pederson for the majority of this team's woe's.  I can just about assure you Pederson has addressed the team (probably on more than one occasion) and I'm sure he's taken (at least) some responsibility.  The reason you don't hear it reported when Pederson does it is because that's something leaders do.  It's not really "out of the ordinary". 

The sad thing is we are applauding a 5th year, franchise QB for doing something he should have already been doing for the past 4+ years.(I'll give rookie QB's a bye) ....which is take accountability for his poor performance/mistakes, if his performances/mistakes are affecting the team.

I'm glad he's gotten around to it by now...but it took him this long?  And he had to be "encouraged" by Pederson to do so.  If you guys think that's "normal" well....

Who's applauding?   

 

Man... you really struggle with reading through these stories.  Everyone is working the blame game to shift it away from themselves.   No one is seeing these things happening, so they are being leaked... and who has the ability to leak it.  Wentz has been saying he's got to play better every single week after every single game.  Every single one.  And he never said, "we showed our youth today" or any other nonsense.  Meanwhile, Doug has his share of the pie.  Show me ONE time that a flanker screen was successful being thrown to Ward.   Just ONE and you might have a leg to stand on regarding the coaching staff not having an equal share in all this crap fest.   Or explain to me why Peters keeps trotting out there.  Or why Alshon is even dressing, let alone on the field.   And then look at the draft record and see that personnel isn't good enough either.  Howie sucks, Doug sucks, and Wentz sucks.   So... they could all go.  But, the cap situation makes Wentz staying pretty much a foregone conclusion, so you need to forget that and look at the other pieces.   The others could and likely should go.  Howie has screwed up the draft so badly that he had to overpay for free agents, over valued the aging players on the roster, because they had NO ONE behind them ready to step in... and so his bad drafts have no scuttled the salary cap, which is the thing he was supposed to be good at.  Well, it all works together.  So, he needs to go and new eyes need to be found.  Doug and Co. need to go and find ways to maximize the talent that is here.  And Wentz needs to play better, because right now, they are stuck with him.  So, maybe a new coach can reach him and find ways to maximize him... Reagor, Sanders, Goedert and Fulgham, because right now, they are not being maximized.

If Slay has a calf injury, there's no way that's going to end well vs. Adams.

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

If Slay has a calf injury, there's no way that's going to end well vs. Adams.

The best we can hope is that it doesn't limit him. If it does then look out.

1 minute ago, metal said:

The best we can hope is that it doesn't limit him. If it does then look out.

Maybe someone can step on Adams big toe like last year.

46 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Who's applauding?   

 

Man... you really struggle with reading through these stories.  Everyone is working the blame game to shift it away from themselves.   No one is seeing these things happening, so they are being leaked... and who has the ability to leak it.  Wentz has been saying he's got to play better every single week after every single game.  Every single one.  And he never said, "we showed our youth today" or any other nonsense.  Meanwhile, Doug has his share of the pie.  Show me ONE time that a flanker screen was successful being thrown to Ward.   Just ONE and you might have a leg to stand on regarding the coaching staff not having an equal share in all this crap fest.   Or explain to me why Peters keeps trotting out there.  Or why Alshon is even dressing, let alone on the field.   And then look at the draft record and see that personnel isn't good enough either.  Howie sucks, Doug sucks, and Wentz sucks.   So... they could all go.  But, the cap situation makes Wentz staying pretty much a foregone conclusion, so you need to forget that and look at the other pieces.   The others could and likely should go.  Howie has screwed up the draft so badly that he had to overpay for free agents, over valued the aging players on the roster, because they had NO ONE behind them ready to step in... and so his bad drafts have no scuttled the salary cap, which is the thing he was supposed to be good at.  Well, it all works together.  So, he needs to go and new eyes need to be found.  Doug and Co. need to go and find ways to maximize the talent that is here.  And Wentz needs to play better, because right now, they are stuck with him.  So, maybe a new coach can reach him and find ways to maximize him... Reagor, Sanders, Goedert and Fulgham, because right now, they are not being maximized.

 

Let me be clear; the reason I tend to take the side of Pederson and the staff around here is because up until (maybe the last week or two) 90% of the posts in this thread were blaming Pederson, his play calling etc etc (and Howie) for the vast majority of the team's issues.   Not necessarily you or a few others but if you read back, most were clearly blaming the coaching and/or Howie.

Obviously, they all share the blame when the team is 3-7-1.  Who can dispute that? 

And yes, there are some major issues with the age/health of some of the older players.  From my understanding, this past year's draft was the initial/first steps of a "youth movement".  Has it worked out yet?  No.  But did we expect 10-12 rookies to make a "huge difference"?

I haven't given up on the team yet because like it or not, we can't have a complete "rebuild" until after the 2021 season.  And I still think if some issues get fixed, we may not need to.

The priority, imo, is getting Wentz better.  Contrary to popular belief, I still think Wentz is capable of performing at a high level.  But I disagree with the idea of "keeping him out there" until he plays through it.  We are 11 games into the season.  Keeping him out there when he's playing like this could likely hurt him more than it helps him, especially from a psychological perspective.  And I also don't think it's fair to the rest of the team, the other 50+ players on the field, his coaches, etc (especially Pederson because Pederson is made to look like the "fall guy")

In an "ideal scenario" imo, Wentz gets extra special attention in the off-season.  That's when you can get him "one on one" with specialty coaching, getting him back to basics with his mechanics, etc.  That type of stuff is nearly impossible to fix in the middle of a season.  It needs to (and should) be done in the offseason.

This team can only move forward once we figure out what is going on with Wentz.  This entire offensive system is built around QB play.  So if Wentz gets better, naturally, the entire offense will get better with him.

 

 

@In2football  Eagles 17 Packers 44. Not feeling good about this week. Kind of envisioning the same kind of game that they had out there in '15, as well as that brutal Thanksgiving game against the Lions.

But I expect them to beat the Saints next week and make a serious push for the playoffs. Again, I ain't giving up on the season.

BTW, it's brutal trying to be an Eagles fan these days. It's almost impossible to follow the news. I listened to the press conference on Monday, and it was fifteen minutes of the same question being asked over and over again, with slight variations. Not a single question about any position other than quarterback. My question would have been...in the season opener, you started Driscoll at right tackle over Pryor. Why are you now starting Pryor (who isn't any good) over Driscoll when you had already determined he was the lesser player?

43 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

That's already been shown/proven to be an inaccurate assessment in just about every All-22 this year.  There have been players open all over the field, most of the season.   Not to mention the fact that Pederson has needed to constantly change the plays based on Wentz' regression this year.

 

I agree Wentz has been part of the problem.  You can look at any teams all-22 and see guys that are open and the QB just didn't see it.  Even elite QBs.  We criticize as fans but plays happen so fast and if a QB doesnt see it or doesnt have the time then it wont matter if guys are open.

My problem is designing plays to get guys running open. You see it all over the NFL except the Eagles it seems.  You ever notice when Wentz is throwing to someone there is usually a defender right there?  How many times is someone running a route and another receiver is close by running a route too close to them?

It's been said that our WRs arent the best at getting separation but there is no play design to get these guys open.  How many times they run a play especially on a critical 3rd or 4th down and we say "wtf was that play?"  The offense as a whole is just terrible......scheme, design, play calling, everything.

7 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

 

 

In an "ideal scenario" imo, Wentz gets extra special attention in the off-season.  That's when you can get him "one on one" with specialty coaching, getting him back to basics with his mechanics, etc.  That type of stuff is nearly impossible to fix in the middle of a season.  It needs and should be done in the offseason.

This team can only move forward once we figure out what is going on with Wentz.  This entire offensive system is built around QB play.  So if Wentz gets better, naturally, the entire offense will get better with him.

 

 

Completely agree. But can we please get it right this time. It feels like he has coaches completely rework his mechanics every offseason, find what works and build off it.