1 minute ago, wtfcares said:

Don’t forget the td and most of the yards in the first half came in the last 2 minutes where apparently Rich calls the plays. 

They had 75 yards on that drive the previous 5 drives where they went three and out with sacks they had a grand total of -1. 

2 hours ago, Nivraga said:

I posted this in the Fulgham thread in response to ManchesterEagle saying "it looks like he hit a wall" but wanted to share it here.

 

I was saying this, and it might still be true BUT - when I said Fulgham just doesn't have the athleticism to be a top WR someone pointed out to me he has virtually the same measurables as DeAndre Hopkins ... and it's Scary True

Hopkins - 6' 1" 214 lbs ; Arm 33 3/8 hand 10" ; 40 - 4.57; 10yd split 1.62; 20yd split 2.69; 20yd shuttle 4.5; 3 cone 6.83; VJ 36" ; BJ 9' 7"; BP 15 reps

Fulgham - 6'2" 215 lbs; Arm 33 3/4 Hand 9.5: 40 4.58; 10yd split 1.60; 20yd split 2.70; 20yd shuttle 4.22 (Pro Day) 3 cone 6.84 (Pro Day); VJ 36.5"; BJ 10' 6" ; BP 15 reps

The only thing keeping Fulgham from achieving star status is between his ears.

Fulgham's issue is dealing with press coverage, which is why the Eagles move him around, but the league watches film. And they're paying more attention to him as the Eagles lack the #1 WR or even Ertz to draw coverage away from him.

This is something that can be coached up, especially with someone as big and strong, he has to learn to use his hands to punch and gain separation off the line.

https://www.blitzalytics.com/post/the-post-corner-travis-fulgham

https://www.nj.com/eagles/2020/11/eagles-travis-fulgham.html

 

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Everyone has the same measurables as Hopkins because they aren’t good.  That doesn’t mean everyone with below average speed has what it takes to achieve star status.

Fulgham is potentially the most rapidly overhyped player in Eagles history.

You clearly didn't understand my post- which really wasn't difficult to digest. And just because you think a player is over hyped doesn't mean that everyone who mentions him or posts about him is doing that - because I am not. Although I might be suggesting that which should be obvious - it clearly isn't. The best athlete in the NFL isn't always the best player. Vontaze Burfict had horrible measurables. 

7 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Well, besides the fact that this team (historically) has been a 2nd half team for the majority of the past 5 years, when you come out with 74 yards of offense in the 1st half, what do you do during halftime?  You make adjustments, right? 

That said, if the team thinks that Press Taylor calling plays made that much of a difference, then they should have him call plays during the first half of the Packers game.  If that seems to work, then stick with it.

 

Well the fact that the Philadelphia Eagles in the first half had only six runs with RBs and on five of the six runs they had 5 yards or more. So that kind of tells you you should’ve been running the ball more because the run blocking was actually good in that game especially early on. Watching the all 22 you should’ve seen how good the run blocking was on 5 of 6 runs because they had sizable holes to run through. So I don’t know maybe try running the ball more when you’re running back is your best offense of weapon. Could be a solution to a struggling offense.

as another poster has pointed out doug didn’t even call the last two minutes of that first half as Rich is the one calling plays in the two minute drive (from jeff mclane’s article:  Senior offensive assistant Rich Scangarello has also been calling plays, specifically in two-minute situations, since the beginning of the season.)The one drive where the Eagles got 75 yards Doug wasn’t calling the plays. So the first 5 drives of the game where Doug was definitely calling the plays and scripted the first 15 plays with sack yardage involved they had -1 yards. So really it’s -1 vs. 204 yards. OK defend it anyway you want because I know that’s what you’re gonna do but when youre 205 yards behind a guy who’s never called plays before until the second half of that game there’s a problem

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Well the fact that the Philadelphia Eagles in the first half had only six runs with RBs and on five of the six runs they had 5 yards or more. So that kind of tells you you should’ve been running the ball more because the one blocking was actually good in that game. Watching the old 22 you should’ve seen how good the run blocking was on 5 of 6 runs because they had sizable holes to run through. So I don’t know maybe try running the ball more when you’re running back is your best offense of weapon. Could be a solution to a struggling offense.

as another poster has pointed out doug didn’t even call the last two minutes of that first half as Rich is the one calling plays in the two minute drive (from jeff mclane’s article:  Senior offensive assistant Rich Scangarello has also been calling plays, specifically in two-minute situations, since the beginning of the season.)The one drive were the Eagles got 75 yards Doug wasn’t calling the place. So the first 5 drives of the game where Doug was definitely calling the plays and scripted the first 15 plays with sack yardage involved they had -1 yards. So really it’s -1 vs. 204 yards. OK defend it anyway you want because I know that’s what you’re gonna do but when your 205 yards behind a guy who’s never called place before until the second half of that game there’s a problem

I want the team to play better and if it means Pederson relinquishing his play calling, then I'm all for it.  And that's what he's doing.  

And the next step (if it's not just the play calling) would be what, in your opinion? 

If they are behind by a TD or more in the 2nd half (with others calling the plays) do you finally "rest Wentz" and see what this offense looks like with another QB?  Or do you continue to struggle with Wentz?

17 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I don't necessary disagree that they "should" run the ball more.  But that goes hand-in-hand with momentum.  In this offense, the pass sets up the run, not the other way around.

Then, like others have said, the reason the team does better when they "seem to run more" has more to do with the fact that they "run more" when they are ahead and they "pass more" when they are behind. 

Your last sentence of the first paragraph is why the coach needs to go.  This offense doesn’t work, so get another one.

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I want the team to play better and if it means Pederson relinquishing his play calling, then I'm all for it.  And that's what he's doing.  

And the next step (if it's not just the play calling) would be what, in your opinion? 

If they are behind by a TD or more in the 2nd half (with others calling the plays) do you finally "rest Wentz" and see what this offense looks like with another QB?  Or do you continue to struggle with Wentz?

There’s been no confirmation that Press is calling plays for the 1st half of tomorrow’s game. For all we know Doug is doing it as usual. 

Just now, Alphagrand said:

Your last sentence of the first paragraph is why the coach needs to go.  This offense doesn’t work, so get another one.

This type of offensive system is responsible for TWO out of the last three Super Bowl Championships.   So obviously, it works. 

2 minutes ago, wtfcares said:

There’s been no confirmation that Press is calling plays for the 1st half of tomorrow’s game. For all we know Doug is doing it as usual. 

These are all "hypothetical situations".  Obviously we won't know what happens during the game in terms of play calling, etc until after the game. 

20 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I don't necessary disagree that they "should" run the ball more.  But that goes hand-in-hand with momentum.  In this offense, the pass sets up the run, not the other way around.

Then, like others have said, the reason the team does better when they "seem to run more" has more to do with the fact that they "run more" when they are ahead and they "pass more" when they are behind. 

That statement - "the pass sets up the run" is BS and was made up as an excuse to pass the ball more. It's like saying that scoring points and getting a lead sets up the run. Yeah, thanks Captain. Everything - and I mean everything in football works from being able to run the ball and stop the run. You can pass a lot - but you have to be able to run and show it consistently. If you stop the run you make the offense 1 dimensional and then you're defense just ambushes the QB. Like wise if you concede the run on offense then the defense will be free to ambush the QB. That's what is happening to Eagles now.

Just now, Ace Nova said:

I want the team to play better and if it means Pederson relinquishing his play calling, then I'm all for it.  And that's what he's doing.  

And the next step (if it's not just the play calling) would be what, in your opinion? 

If they are behind by a TD or more in the 2nd half (with others calling the plays) do you finally "rest Wentz" and see what this offense looks like with another QB?  Or do you continue to struggle with Wentz?

Well first I would like to see what happens when somebody calls plays from the start so they’re not behind by 14 points when they start taking over playcalling. From the last play doug called to the first play scangarello called they were down 14 points. That makes a huge difference in playcalling when you’re not down 14 or when Taylor takes over 8 points in the second half.

 another fact that in the first half Doug pederson with his playcalling (first 5 series) called two running plays with RBs. On that two minute drive the Eagles had four running plays. 

And I’ll get to that bridge when I get to that bridge. If he is struggling then I have to consider making the change. At this point I’d need to see how he looks from the start of the game with a new play caller. Not when down 14 points. but the fact that they put up 204 yards in the second half and zero 3 and outs with a first time play caller. if they would’ve done something close to that in the first half of them would’ve been all the way up at 400 yards. And just to point out from the two minute drive at the end of the first half until wentz’s bad interception that had been the best the offense has looked at sustaining drives in weeks. They had 1 punt. They were 7-10 on 3rd down til that pick. 

Since we liked Pumphrey enough to draft him I figured we'll go back to the same well with midget-sized RBs eventually. Well here's a future Eagles pick for sure

https://www.kstatesports.com/sports/football/roster/deuce-vaughn/7565

12 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

That statement - "the pass sets up the run" is BS and was made up as an excuse to pass the ball more. It's like saying that scoring points and getting a lead sets up the run. Yeah, thanks Captain. Everything - and I mean everything in football works from being able to run the ball and stop the run. You can pass a lot - but you have to be able to run and show it consistently. If you stop the run you make the offense 1 dimensional and then you're defense just ambushes the QB. Like wise if you concede the run on offense then the defense will be free to ambush the QB. That's what is happening to Eagles now.

The fact that in this offensive system the pass sets up the run is not up to debate.  That's the way this hybrid of the West Coast Offense works.  It's been like that since the Andy Reid era and it is responsible for revolutionizing the game in the modern era.  It's a pass-first offense and has been for over 20 years.

The idea is that if you have success passing (and statistically an average pass play has always been longer than an average running play in the NFL, so the metrics back it)...then naturally most defenses will play pass more often, therefore setting up the opportunity for longer running plays.  

Play action passing, also continues to be effective, despite the lack of running the ball and the statistics/metrics back that up as well.

7 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

This type of offensive system is responsible for TWO out of the last three Super Bowl Championships.   So obviously, it works. 

Jesus, man — could you at least try to read and comprehend?

2017 — 564 passes, 473 runs — 54/46 ratio

2020 — 425 passes, 255 runs (46 by Wentz — 67/33 ratio

 

They’re not passing more because they’re falling behind in games and it’s skewing the numbers; Doug is abandoning the run in the first half of games.  It’s out of stupidity, not necessity.

If you think this is the same offense or system that the Eagles ran in 2017 I just don’t know what to tell you, other than you’re not paying attention.  To try to say it’s the same system that the Kansas City Chiefs run is pretty much troll-worthy on your part.

The Eagles offense is not Andy Reid inspired — it much more closely resembles a Matt Nagy offense.

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Well first I would like to see what happens when somebody calls plays from the start so they’re not behind by 14 points when they start taking over playcalling. From the last play doug called to the first play scangarello called they were down 14 points. That makes a huge difference in playcalling when you’re not down 14 or when Taylor takes over 8 points in the second half.

 another fact that in the first half Doug pederson with his playcalling (first 5 series) called two running plays with RBs. On that two minute drive the Eagles had four running plays. 

And I’ll get to that bridge when I get to that bridge. If he is struggling then I have to consider making the change. At this point I’d need to see how he looks from the start of the game with a new play caller. Not when down 14 points. but the fact that they put up 204 yards in the second half and zero 3 and outs with a first time play caller. if they would’ve done something close to that in the first half of them would’ve been all the way up at 400 yards. And just to point out from the two minute drive at the end of the first half until wentz’s bad interception that had been the best the offense has looked at sustaining drives in weeks. They had 1 punt. They were 7-10 on 3rd down til that pick. 

Fair enough. 

15 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

That statement - "the pass sets up the run" is BS and was made up as an excuse to pass the ball more. It's like saying that scoring points and getting a lead sets up the run. Yeah, thanks Captain. Everything - and I mean everything in football works from being able to run the ball and stop the run. You can pass a lot - but you have to be able to run and show it consistently. If you stop the run you make the offense 1 dimensional and then you're defense just ambushes the QB. Like wise if you concede the run on offense then the defense will be free to ambush the QB. That's what is happening to Eagles now.

I really hate people that use this theory you only run the ball late in games that you were winning. Go look at the Eagles 2017. There was five games where they ran the ball either early in the game or they were behind and decided to run the ball because passing game was struggling. The first Giants game they ran the ball early and that’s how they got out to the lead they did. The chargers game they ran the ball early and then they also ran the ball when I got close late and they won that game because of the running game. The Dallas game where they were down 9 -7 at halftime, what did they do? Ran the ball in the second half and they demolish Dallas. This theory you can’t run the ball until your salting away the game or you only have success with it analytically is because you’re winning the game so you just run the ball is an untrue statement. The 2017 eagle should have shown people that. 

There’s more than just those three games i just talked about. I had a post on this in 2018 which proved the eagles didn’t just run the ball late for those numbers to be true. And I’m not saying you don’t need to pass a game to win in this league. You definitely do to win a Super Bowl you have to be able to pass the ball. However there’s going to be games where your passing game struggles and you’re running game looks good if you stick to it it might help open up things in the passing game. Just like the opposite could happen

45 minutes ago, austinfan said:

That's a meaningless stat b/c if you're ahead, you don't throw as much, if you're behind in the 2nd half, you pretty much have to throw.

This tells you more that the Eagles have been close or behind most of the time in Wentz's tenure.

 

I'm late to this but Doug doesn't care I guess. We were pass happy when there was no score for awhile. Doug just doesn't run the ball this season

40 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Whoever coaches this team next season, whether its Doug or someone else, they have to commit to running the ball more.

You have Sanders already.  If it were up to me I'm drafting fairly early, 2nd or 3rd round, another top RB to pair with Sanders.  Not only someone to pair with him now but also that could replace him when he's wanting a new deal.  

This team is not very good at passing right now.  Yet Doug and co. continue to think this team is the 99 Rams Greatest show on Turf.  Until you can improve the O-line and WRs, they need to take a page out of Clevelands playbook and run more while limiting the QB throws.  Running the ball was such a big reason why they won in 2017.  Not sure why they cant see this.

I want bruiser. It's mind boggling that they put Howard and Sanders on the field ONCE last season.

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Jesus, man — could you at least try to read and comprehend?

2017 — 564 passes, 473 runs — 54/46 ratio

2020 — 425 passes, 255 runs (46 by Wentz — 67/33 ratio

 

They’re not passing more because they’re falling behind in games and it’s skewing the numbers; Doug is abandoning the run in the first half of games.  It’s out of stupidity, not necessity.

If you think this is the same offense or system that the Eagles ran in 2017 I just don’t know what to tell you, other than you’re not paying attention.  To try to say it’s the same system that the Kansas City Chiefs run is pretty much troll-worthy on your part.

The Eagles offense is not Andy Reid inspired — it much more closely resembles a Matt Nagy offense.

Get the splits of the 2017 season (how often they ran the ball when they were ahead and how often they passed the ball when they were behind).

Then compare it to this season.  (How often they run when they are ahead and pass when they are behind).

That's how you will get an accurate measure.  

 

How well did Slay perform against Adams in previous games with Detroit?

Just now, Mike030270 said:

I'm late to this but Doug doesn't care I guess. We were pass happy when there was no score for awhile. Doug just doesn't run the ball this season

I want bruiser. It's mind boggling that they put Howard and Sanders on the field ONCE last season.

I don’t think Jordan Howard is necessarily here to be running the ball. I do think he’s going to get some carries but with the dolphins he was not good this year even a short yardage he struggled. I think he’s here more because they don’t trust Boston Scott it Miles Sanders in pass protection as much as Duce says it’s not an issue. Jordan Howard has been good at pass protection in his career. He might not be a good receiving back but his pass protection and blitz pick up has been good throughout his career. 

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I'm late to this but Doug doesn't care I guess. We were pass happy when there was no score for awhile. Doug just doesn't run the ball this season

I want bruiser. It's mind boggling that they put Howard and Sanders on the field ONCE last season.

Howard should be active this Sunday.  He and Sanders should combine for 30+ carries against the Packers.

Instead, the Eagles will try to run up-tempo so Aaron Rodgers can have more plays and more drives on offense.

4 minutes ago, Westbrook#36 said:

How well did Slay perform against Adams in previous games with Detroit?

Dating back to 2016 (he missed a lions game in 2017, 2018 and 2019– goes most recent to 2016)

7 receptions 93yards and td

9 receptions 140 yards and a td

7 receptions 53 yards 

6 receptions 31 yards 2 tds

2 receptions 23 yards and td 

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Howard should be active this Sunday.  He and Sanders should combine for 30+ carries against the Packers.

Instead, the Eagles will try to run up-tempo so Aaron Rodgers can have more plays and more drives on offense.

I think Rodgers gets 7TDs this game. Not sure how many of those will be from Adams. Probably most

 

23 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

The fact that in this offensive system the pass sets up the run is not up to debate.  That's the way this hybrid of the West Coast Offense works.  It's been like that since the Andy Reid era and it is responsible for revolutionizing the game in the modern era.  It's a pass-first offense and has been for over 20 years.

The idea is that if you have success passing (and statistically an average pass play has always been longer than an average running play in the NFL, so the metrics back it)...then naturally most defenses will play pass more often, therefore setting up the opportunity for longer running plays.  

Play action passing, also continues to be effective, despite the lack of running the ball and the statistics/metrics back that up as well.

Nice try with the not up for debate - it's BS - I understand the "idea" but you still have to run the ball. It's better if you run the ball well but not as important as just running the ball. Sean Payton says hello. There's a good quote from Brad Childress after he became HC of the Vikings - it's not the quality of the run - it's the quantity. It's not the quantity of the pass it's the quality. 

It doesn't matter the offensive design - running the ball is imperative. Even in New England when Brady was throwing 50 times a game the Patriots still had the ability run and did enough to remain a multi dimensional offense. 

The #1 complaint about Andy Reid in Philadelphia was that he didn't run the ball enough. And he is the one that invented the BS about it being a pass sets up the run BS which was broadcast by Dave Spadaro.