1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

I think Rodgers gets 7TDs this game. Not sure how many of those will be from Adams. Probably most

The defense has been the sole highlight of the year, especially against the Seahawks.  You're "doing them dirty" like that?  Come on.  lol

 

10 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Get the splits of the 2017 season (how often they ran the ball when they were ahead and how often they passed the ball when they were behind).

Then compare it to this season.  (How often they run when they are ahead and pass when they are behind).

That's how you will get an accurate measure.  

 

Ace - you're accusing others of twisting the numbers to fit their argument when in reality it's you. Yes the Eagles passed more than they ran in 2017 in the beginning of games and ran more when they had a lead which they did more often in 2017 than they have since. BUT in 2017 they ran more and more consistently in the beginning of games than they are now. AND - the Eagles offense wasn't struggling in 2017 - the WR's weren't coming into games off the practice squad - the entire OL wasn't 3 deep into the depth chart. Wentz wasn't struggling in 2017 like he is now. Everything that is happening with the 2020 Eagles SCREAMS run the ball more - and yet Doug just won't. 

5 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I think Rodgers gets 7TDs this game. Not sure how many of those will be from Adams. Probably most

Control the ball, control the clock, duplicate the run production they had last season in Lambeau is the only chance the Eagles have.  A lot of bad personnel matchups in this game.

I do think the Eagles have a realistic chance to beat NO and ARI if they start playing better.  Taysom Hill sucks, and Kyler Murray might already be the NFL’s most overrated player.

52 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

You clearly didn't understand my post- which really wasn't difficult to digest. And just because you think a player is over hyped doesn't mean that everyone who mentions him or posts about him is doing that - because I am not. Although I might be suggesting that which should be obvious - it clearly isn't. The best athlete in the NFL isn't always the best player. Vontaze Burfict had horrible measurables. 

I understand that you said the only thing keeping him from star status is mental, which is laughable.  Your entire argument that he’s star quality is that he shares the same weakness as a star.

I heard the same bs about JJAW too; go look at his measurables.  

2020 Jordan Howard, 2020 Jason Peters, 2020 Zach Ertz & Jack Driscoll is not going to lead to rushing success. Not only are the Packers going to play the run more, they're going to win at the point of attack. We can't just sit in 12 and run the ball.

1 minute ago, RLC said:

2020 Jordan Howard, 2020 Jason Peters, 2020 Zach Ertz & Jack Driscoll is not going to lead to rushing success. Not only are the Packers going to play the run more, they're going to win at the point of attack. We can't just sit in 12 and run the ball.

Your alternative plan?

Just now, Alphagrand said:

Your alternative plan?

Tank

5 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'll be doing other things in the Fall on Sundays if Howie survives this.  This is Chip Kelly's last year implosion level failure.  Chip wanted all the power and destroyed the team in one season.  Howie wanted all the power.  Yes, he got a Super Bowl with magic beans or something, but literally since Feb 5th, 2018 those beans went rotten and just as every move worked leading up to the Super Bowl... every move since then has failed.  There really isn't one I'd point to and say, "Yup, that was a success."

I think in some ways, in many ways, this is worse than that implosion. Howie has done a terrible job in all and if he remains in charge I'll be watching red zone every week with half an eye on our mighty birds.

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Your alternative plan?

If you want to run the ball more, play the QB full-time that forces opposing defenses to play the option. 

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Control the ball, control the clock, duplicate the run production they had last season in Lambeau is the only chance the Eagles have.  A lot of bad personnel matchups in this game.

I do think the Eagles have a realistic chance to beat NO and ARI if they start playing better.  Taysom Hill sucks, and Kyler Murray might already be the NFL’s most overrated player.

Not so sure brees isn’t back for our game. I believe he’s eligible to come off IR week 14. I know they could wait or his ribs might not be healed but if they are healed i feel like with the Seahawks and packers breathing down their neck they’d play him. 

33 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

Nice try with the not up for debate - it's BS - I understand the "idea" but you still have to run the ball. It's better if you run the ball well but as important as running the ball. Sean Payton says hello. There's a good quote from Brad Childress after he became HC of the Vikings - it's not the quality of the run - it's the quantity. It's not the quantity of the pass it's the quality. 

It doesn't matter the offensive design - running the ball is imperative. Even in New England when Brady was throwing 50 times a game the Patriots still had the ability run and did enough to remain a multi dimensional offense. 

The #1 complaint about Andy Reid in Philadelphia was that he didn't run the ball enough. And he is the one that invented the BS about it being a pass sets up the run BS which was broadcast by Dave Spadaro. 

7 NFC/AFC Championship games and a Super Bowl Title (and a Super Bowl Championship by the guy he mentored) says Andy Reid was right. 

 

That said, in certain games, in certain situations a "more balanced attack" makes sense.  No one is disputing that.  The idea is that it happens due to "momentum/scheme" in this offense.  And there are exceptions to the rule in this offense as well.  If they make adjustments and see that running the ball more often (even if they are behind) will be more effective, then of course they should. 

But don't expect this offense to be a run-first offense because it's not and never has been.

 

 

 

 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Not so sure brees isn’t back for our game. I believe he’s eligible to come off IR week 14. I know they could wait or his ribs might not be healed but if they are healed i feel like with the Seahawks and packers breathing down their neck they’d play him. 

Thing is... They must be looking at that game and thinking "well we could just give Drew another week to recover, no need to rush him back for that game". That's how freaking bad we are. 

12 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

Everything that is happening with the 2020 Eagles SCREAMS run the ball more - and yet Doug just won't. 

Like I just said in my previous post to you, if that's the case, they should.  This offense is on life-support, so of course I'm open to them "running the ball more".

3 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Thing is... They must be looking at that game and thinking "well we could just give Drew another week to recover, no need to rush him back for that game". That's how freaking bad we are. 

Possible. However i don’t know what the elements are going to be going into the philly game. while the saints scored 31 last week it was more cause their defense faced a Ps wr at QB and eventually the dam broke. Curious to see how they fair against the Falcons this week with julio healthy. The Falcons offense always struggles when he isn’t healthy and the first matchup he left with a hammy early in the game. They imo likely need to score. Also atlanta is playing much better than earlier in the year. Not sure if Falcons pull off that upset you want to even risk another. Especially when this year’s playoff only the 1 seed gets a bye. 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I understand that you said the only thing keeping him from star status is mental, which is laughable.  Your entire argument is that he’s star quality is that he shares the same weakness as a star.

I heard the same bs about JJAW too; go look at his measurables.  

You definitely didn't understand my post - keep trying - or don't - I'm fine if you just move along.

The problem with JJAW is that he isn't sudden - no explosion - anywhere. JJaw is JAG who became good at contested catches  against JAGs in college out of necessity and isn't playing against JAGs in the NFL. 

You need to look at the measurables for Fulgham and Hopkins more closely - but anyway - I wasn't saying that Fulgham "is" star quality. Or that he is such because he shares the same "weakness" as a star - if you didn't understand my post - which you didn't - you should have asked for clarification. All I was saying in reference to the Fulgham hit a wall suggestion is that if Fulgham doesn't become a star it won't be because of a lack of atheletic ability which some - including me - had suggested. He has all the physical tools - does he have the mental make up?

Just now, RLC said:

If you want to run the ball more, play the QB full-time that forces opposing defenses to play the option. 

In the Packers 3 losses this season:

TB — 35 rushes for 158 yards, with the mobile Tom Brady 

IND — 37 rushes for 140 yards, with the mobile Philip Rivers

MIN — 34 rushes for 173 yards, with the mobile Kirk Cousins

 

Just.Run.The.Damn.Ball

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

while the saints scored 31 last week it was more cause their defense faced a Ps wr at QB and eventually the dam broke.

You make it sound like they will be facing a much better QB when they face us...😉

Just now, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

You make it sound like they will be facing a much better QB when they face us...😉

Yeah the Broncos completed 1 pass all game. And attempted just 9. And of those 9 passes 2 were picked and another 2 should have. So yes while wentz has been bad Hinton is likely never playing QB again. 

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

In the Packers 3 losses this season:

TB — 35 rushes for 158 yards, with the mobile Tom Brady 

IND — 37 rushes for 140 yards, with the mobile Philip Rivers

MIN — 34 rushes for 173 yards, with the mobile Kirk Cousins

Just.Run.The.Damn.Ball

Fully agreed on running more if the goal is to win.

Those stats are a little misleading. All those OL are waaaay better than ours at run-blocking (Vikings can't pass block but they sure can run block). 

29 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

7 NFC/AFC Championship games and a Super Bowl Title (and a Super Bowl Championship by the guy he mentored) says Andy Reid was right and Spadaro was wrong.

 

That said, in certain games, in certain situations a "more balanced attack" makes sense.  No one is disputing that.  The idea is that it happens due to "momentum/scheme" in this offense.  And there are exceptions to the rule in this offense as well.  If they make adjustments and see that running the ball more often (even if they are behind) will be more effective, then of course they should. 

But don't expect this offense to be a run-first offense because it's not and never has been.

 

 

 

 

DAVE SPADARO wasn't wrong - he said what Andy Said . (Bold, Underline) Sean Payton says hello.

No one is suggesting it be run first - I never said any offense needs to be run first.

Just now, RLC said:

Fully agreed on running more if the goal is to win.

Those stats are a little misleading. All those OL are waaaay better than ours at run-blocking (Vikings can't pass block but they sure can run block). 

I mean if you watch the all 22 from the first half of the Eagles game this week the run blocking wasn’t the issue. That was a one thing they were excelling at. Just pointing out from the Giants game the first one to the browns game, the run blocking has gotten better each week. It’s the pass blocking that has been a bigger issue for the Eagles. It’s gone the opposite way since that game. 

13 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

In the Packers 3 losses this season:

TB — 35 rushes for 158 yards, with the mobile Tom Brady 

IND — 37 rushes for 140 yards, with the mobile Philip Rivers

MIN — 34 rushes for 173 yards, with the mobile Kirk Cousins

 

Just.Run.The.Damn.Ball

Doug: So have Wentz throw 50+

3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Doug: So have Wentz throw 50+

Throw it challenging jaire Alexander!

9 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

I  can't believe I'm debating with someone who is reading impaired. DAVE SPADARO wasn't wrong - he said what Andy Said . (Bold, Underline) Sean Payton says hello.

No one is suggesting it be run first - I never said any offense needs to be run first.

I went back and edited my post.  It didn't seem like something Spadaro would have disagreed with.  

And since when is Payton the be-all, end-all?

He has 1 Super Bowl Championship, 10 years ago.  (With a hall-of-fame QB) 

Reid + Pederson have 2.  And Reid and Pederson have done it two of the past three years. 

And I'm not sure I would use Sean Payton as a reference in determining what is wrong with the Eagles.  He was the first coach in the NFL to put Carson Wentz on blast, basically saying he was easy to defend against....and this was two years ago, when Wentz was still considered, "elite" around the league.

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

 

Let me be clear; the reason I tend to take the side of Pederson and the staff around here is because up until (maybe the last week or two) 90% of the posts in this thread were blaming Pederson, his play calling etc etc (and Howie) for the vast majority of the team's issues.   Not necessarily you or a few others but if you read back, most were clearly blaming the coaching and/or Howie.

Obviously, they all share the blame when the team is 3-7-1.  Who can dispute that? 

And yes, there are some major issues with the age/health of some of the older players.  From my understanding, this past year's draft was the initial/first steps of a "youth movement".  Has it worked out yet?  No.  But did we expect 10-12 rookies to make a "huge difference"?

I haven't given up on the team yet because like it or not, we can't have a complete "rebuild" until after the 2021 season.  And I still think if some issues get fixed, we may not need to.

The priority, imo, is getting Wentz better.  Contrary to popular belief, I still think Wentz is capable of performing at a high level.  But I disagree with the idea of "keeping him out there" until he plays through it.  We are 11 games into the season.  Keeping him out there when he's playing like this could likely hurt him more than it helps him, especially from a psychological perspective.  And I also don't think it's fair to the rest of the team, the other 50+ players on the field, his coaches, etc (especially Pederson because Pederson is made to look like the "fall guy")

In an "ideal scenario" imo, Wentz gets extra special attention in the off-season.  That's when you can get him "one on one" with specialty coaching, getting him back to basics with his mechanics, etc.  That type of stuff is nearly impossible to fix in the middle of a season.  It needs to (and should) be done in the offseason.

This team can only move forward once we figure out what is going on with Wentz.  This entire offensive system is built around QB play.  So if Wentz gets better, naturally, the entire offense will get better with him.

Apparently you did.  I saw your posts about the WR position.

 

Pederson shouldn't be the fall guy.  Howie should be the fall guy, and everyone around him should go too.  Why?  Because the new GM should bring in HIS guys.   Pederson gets his share of the blame.  He deserves to be fired.  Again, explain why Peters was playing over Mailata...  Why Alshon got the same number of reps as Fulgham...  Why Ward continues to be targeted for flanker screens... Why Sanders is relegated to fewer and fewer touches... Why the running game is abandoned so quickly/easily...

 

Let me know when you have an answer to who is to blame for those decisions and then tell me that Pederson is just a fall guy.