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Packers 31

Eagles 13

 

3 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Did you imagine this complete dumpster fire we are in right now when the trade was made?  Your argument seems based on hindsight.  I honestly don't think that trading a 3rd for a top 5 CB, with it being a position of need was a bad thing at the time.  Ya now we can look back and say that 3rd would be nice, but at the time is was a steal.

I actually did say Slay would be a avg or below avg CB under Jim's scheme so I am not surprised at all. The trade will all be worth it next year when the DB killer Jim is gone. Id fully expect Slay to play better in a new system. A system that mixes its play calling and is less predictable. Yes we can do worse the Jim, but we could do better as well. Even if the defense is not that much better overall, I think Slay will be better.  

Brees can play half the snaps vs. us to work himself in. 

25 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Does 2013 DeSean and 2014 Maclin count? 

I was thinking about those two years but i wouldn’t have considered either as a top 10 wr in the league. They had those type of seasons those years but i didn’t think either was routinely a top 10 receiver. Desean had times where he was close but maclin had that one year but really he wasn’t a top 10 WR statistically besides that year. 

 

2 minutes ago, metal said:

 

When you give up play calling in the 2nd half of the Hawks game and the plays called are the exact same as the first half its still a fail on Doug's part. 1- It shows Doug is not teaching the coaches anything if they are doing the exact same thing. 2- When Doug is creating the game play and call sheet it puts the person calling the plays in a bad way as they are not given the chance to call what they want. They are limited to Doug's crappy plays. Unless he gives up game planning/scripting etc like in 2017 then giving up the play calling for a Q or Half wont matter. It still falls on Doug. 

41 minutes ago, RLC said:

The Eagles have been played hard all year. This is not a soft team. The problem is coaching and QB play. No team meeting is going to change this. 

They might be playing hard but they have not been playing smart. There have been too many penalties and missed assignments. This is something the players can clean up.

Thing is, the rebuild has begun, they just didn't announce it.

Sanders (23), Scott (25)

Fulgham (25), Reagor (21), Hightower (24), Watkins (22)

Goedert (23)

Mailata (23), Driscoll (23), Herbig (22), Dillard (25)

Barnett (24), Sweat (23), Ostman (25)

Edwards (24), Taylor (22), Bradley (23)

Wallace (23)

Now they need to continue this the next two years, bring in at least 10 young players a year and move out the over 30 veterans with bad contracts.

The question is whether they can do so and remain competitive.

The key is the lines, if you have solid lines on both sides of the ball you can live with young players playing fast and making mistakes.

The OL should be solid next year, with Dillard, Brooks and Lane back, and young OL with a year of experience.

The DL is the question, a lot of age and money, which is why Hargrave stepping up is key, allows Malik to be moved, but young DL is a priority.

Which is why I think a 1st rd WR is unlikely, the thinnest spots going forward are DL and DB.

2 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

They might be playing hard but they have not been playing smart. There have been too many penalties and missed assignments. This is something the players can clean up.

when you have players calling out coaches, big red flag it means the coach has lost the locker room. howie and doug have to go when you are only winning 3 games with a vet team, that's a major problem that's a front office and a coaching problem.

7 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

They might be playing hard but they have not been playing smart. There have been too many penalties and missed assignments. This is something the players can clean up.

That falls on practice methods which falls on Doug. Dougs thought process is to tone practice down to avoid injuries. The problem is when you are basically doing walk through only you are creating more injuries because a players body is not prepared for fully speed cuts, and contact. So when it happens at full speed 100% your increasing your chances at injury. Preparing that way also hurts with all areas of execution as well. False starts, bad tackling, miss timing on routes and coverage. You play the way you practice. this team practices soft, so yea they play very soft. This also goes back to our issues with Starters not playing preseason. yes this year no one had preseason games. But we have seen the issues in past years. the teams that went deep in the playoffs last year were the teams that played there players in the preseason and practice methods are more shadowing game speed. 

47 minutes ago, RLC said:

The Eagles have been played hard all year. This is not a soft team. The problem is coaching and QB play. No team meeting is going to change this. 

I would add overall talent level, partially due to injuries and largely due to the worst drafting in the league over the last several years.

They do indeed play hard.  You saw the defense play with pride last week, each of the remaining core guys on D along with some of the newer guys (like Singleton) were playing hard.  Even when their best cover guy was being repeatedly embarrassed.  They kept playing hard.  With even a remotely competent offense they could have won.

The team is badly in need of difference makers.  Ideally at more impactful and more needed positions.... but we should be drafting more strictly BPA the next few years especially on the first two days.

7 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Thing is, the rebuild has begun, they just didn't announce it.

Sanders (23), Scott (25)

Fulgham (25), Reagor (21), Hightower (24), Watkins (22)

Goedert (23)

Mailata (23), Driscoll (23), Herbig (22), Dillard (25)

Barnett (24), Sweat (23), Ostman (25)

Edwards (24), Taylor (22), Bradley (23)

Wallace (23)

Now they need to continue this the next two years, bring in at least 10 young players a year and move out the over 30 veterans with bad contracts.

The question is whether they can do so and remain competitive.

The key is the lines, if you have solid lines on both sides of the ball you can live with young players playing fast and making mistakes.

The OL should be solid next year, with Dillard, Brooks and Lane back, and young OL with a year of experience.

The DL is the question, a lot of age and money, which is why Hargrave stepping up is key, allows Malik to be moved, but young DL is a priority.

Which is why I think a 1st rd WR is unlikely, the thinnest spots going forward are DL and DB.

This.

 

14 minutes ago, metal said:

 

I hope the owner realizes that scapegoating the coach and keeping the least effective GM in the sport in place is not gonna fly this time.  That would be idiotic, and everyone can now see it.  If he does this he can expect some pretty fierce blow back.  Let your friend go and see if he can have success somewhere else, as Andy has...

51 minutes ago, RLC said:

The Eagles have been played hard all year. This is not a soft team. The problem is coaching and QB play. No team meeting is going to change this. 

The meeting with Doug only lasted 5 seconds; just long enough to hand him this:

11 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The meeting with Doug only lasted 5 seconds; just long enough to hand him this:

And they all got one of these on the way out...

 

 

 

The offense will rebound next year whomever they choose as HC, simply because it's extremely unlikely the OL will be nearly as bad.

We saw this when Kelly replaced AR, while his novel offense helped, the real key was a healthy OL after the disaster of 2012.

Same next year, even if Peters and Kelce are gone, Mailata/Dillard - Driscoll/Seumalo - Seumalo/Juriga - Brooks/Herbig - Lane/Mailata is almost certainly going to be a better group than the 11 combinations they went through this season.

 

If Doug Pederson is made to be the "fall guy" I may take a year off from following the team.   Parting ways with the head coach (whom I believe shares only a limited responsibility for the team's issues this year) would be a mistake.  

The irony is that Doug will likely be hired immediately by another team and will likely have continued success as head coach while we all sit here and watch it happen.  

So yeah, might be time to take a break from the Birds.

 

Just now, Ace Nova said:

 

If Doug Pederson is made to be the "fall guy" I may take a year off from following the team.   Parting ways with the head coach (whom I believe shares only a limited responsibility for the team's issues this year) would be a mistake.  

The irony is that Doug will likely be hired immediately by another team and will likely have continued success as head coach while we all sit here and watch it happen.  

So yeah, might be time to take a break from the Birds.

 

Bye Bye, GL with your new team :)

2 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Bye Bye, GL with your new team 🙂

If they fire Doug they had better fire Howie too otherwise it'll be the same ish show for years to come.

7 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Bye Bye, GL with your new team :)

Never said I was going to follow a new team and it hasn't happened...and I doubt it will.  Some of these reports are nothing but conjecture.

That said, it won't be difficult to ignore the team living in Central Florida.  I need go "out of my way" as it is to get games, updates, etc down here...and I'll save money...no need for the NFL Ticket or a need to spend $100+ every week at a sports bar.

The toughest part will be trying to stay away from this Blog, tbh.  

 

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

 

If Doug Pederson is made to be the "fall guy" I may take a year off from following the team.   Parting ways with the head coach (whom I believe shares only a limited responsibility for the team's issues this year) would be a mistake.  

The irony is that Doug will likely be hired immediately by another team and will likely have continued success as head coach while we all sit here and watch it happen.  

So yeah, might be time to take a break from the Birds.

 

That's just the way professional sports always works.  You can't change all the players, so the coach is the one to go the majority of the time.  Doug has been the head coach for 5 years; the team has gone from 13-3 to 9-7, 9-7, to at best 5-10-1 trajectory this season.  He has no answers for why the team is trending in the wrong direction, and according to Gil Brandt -- whose opinion is usually spot-on when it comes to players -- the team looks lifeless.

Just now, Asg 15 said:

If they fire Doug they had better fire Howie too otherwise it'll be the same ish show for years to come.

Rumor they mentioned on WIP from some guests they had on was that Lurie is interested in the Package Deal of Dorsey and Bieniemy. Not sure how true it is, but They mentioned word is Lurie will be in contact with Reid once again for his help. Not sure if its the best move but would be better on paper then what we have. 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

Never said I was going to follow a new team and it hasn't happened...and I doubt it will.  Some of these reports are nothing but conjecture.

That said, it won't be difficult to ignore the team living in Central Florida.  I need go "out of my way" as it is to get games, updates, etc down here...and I'll save money...no need for the NFL Ticket or a need to spend $100+ every week at a sports bar.

The toughest part will be trying to stay away from this Blog, tbh.  

 

I predict that even if Doug is fired, you wont go anywhere. you wont take time off from the Eagles or this board. I think its All talk, no action lol. Please prove me wrong, I triple dog dare you. :)

Firing Doug Pederson and keeping Howie Roseman is easily my least favorite outcome this off-season. 

2 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

I predict that even if Doug is fired, you wont go anywhere. you wont take time off from the Eagles or this board. I think its All talk, no action lol. Please prove me wrong, I triple dog dare you. 🙂

I might just stay here and follow up every one of your posts with, "I told you so ".