In two more weeks everyone will want Pederson fired 

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Firing Doug Pederson and keeping Howie Roseman is easily my least favorite outcome this off-season. 

Howie will not be flat out fired. I can see him forced to giving up the GM role but he will still be the Executive Vice President. 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

I might just stay here and follow up every one of your posts with, "I told you so ".

If that is your only posts, Im fine with it. Looking forward to it :)

Pederson isn't the "fall guy," while the OL injuries have crippled the offense, and the lack of OTAs hurt, the same holds for every team.

Truth is, Howie handed him a great team in 2017, but one with an expiration date (i.e., most of the top players were in their peak years)

QB:  Wentz, Foles, note that Foles has only had success with the RPO behind a solid OL

RB:  Blount, Sproles, Smallwood, Clement

WR:  Jeffrey, Smith, Agholor, Hollins

TE:  Ertz, Celek, Burton

OL:  Peters - Seumalo - Kelce - Brooks - Lane, Vaitai, Wisniewski

DL:  Curry - Jerrigan - Cox - Graham, Barnett, Long, Vaeao

LB:  Kendricks - Hicks - Bradham,  Gerry, Walker, Goode

CB:  Darby - Mills, Robinson, Douglas

S:  Jenkins, McLeod, Graham, Sullivan

Problem was Howie mortgaged the future, Wentz deal, Darby, cap room to veterans with expiration dates.

10 picks total in 2018 and 2019, still landed Goedert, Maddox, Sweat, Pryor, Mailata, Dillard, Sanders.

Combine that with some bad luck with injuries, forced Howie to spend to keep the dream alive.

Here's the magic question, at what point do you admit the party is over?

After 2018 when they lost to NO when Jeffrey let a pass go through his hands?

2019 when they lost to Seattle when Wentz gets concussed by a dirty hit?

Both years they had a legitimate shot to get deeper into the playoffs, it wasn't like they backed into the playoffs only to get blown away by a clearly superior team.

2 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

In two more weeks everyone will want Pederson fired 

I don't see Lurie making the move till the season is over. I just think he will give Doug that respect to finish out the season. This is a completely different situation then the Chip experiment. So they can call for his head but will have to be patient and wait out the season. 

8 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Howie will not be flat out fired. I can see him forced to giving up the GM role but he will still be the Executive Vice President. 

If that is your only posts, Im fine with it. Looking forward to it :)

And if the rumors are true, what's to prevent Pederson from immediately benching Wentz (And starting either Hurts or Sudfeld)?

If I were a coach on the way out, I would want to show the world that my offense "still works" with capable QB play.  Resume builder.

 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

And if the rumors are true, what's to prevent Pederson from immediately benching Wentz (And starting either Hurts or Sudfeld)?

If I were a coach on the way out, I would want to show the world that my offense "still works" with capable QB play.  Resume builder.

 

The offense isn't bad because of Wentz; Wentz has been bad because of the offense.

The vast majority of NFL decision makers see it.

38 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Thing is, the rebuild has begun, they just didn't announce it.

Sanders (23), Scott (25)

Fulgham (25), Reagor (21), Hightower (24), Watkins (22)

Goedert (23)

Mailata (23), Driscoll (23), Herbig (22), Dillard (25)

Barnett (24), Sweat (23), Ostman (25)

Edwards (24), Taylor (22), Bradley (23)

Wallace (23)

Now they need to continue this the next two years, bring in at least 10 young players a year and move out the over 30 veterans with bad contracts.

The question is whether they can do so and remain competitive.

The key is the lines, if you have solid lines on both sides of the ball you can live with young players playing fast and making mistakes.

The OL should be solid next year, with Dillard, Brooks and Lane back, and young OL with a year of experience.

The DL is the question, a lot of age and money, which is why Hargrave stepping up is key, allows Malik to be moved, but young DL is a priority.

Which is why I think a 1st rd WR is unlikely, the thinnest spots going forward are DL and DB.

Now there’s a championship quality foundation to be proud of.  
 

I was more reassured by the narrative that the rebuild hasn’t started yet.  
 

Your job is to make everyone unreasonably optimistic, not freak us out.

8 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

In two more weeks everyone will want Pederson fired 

Why wait for 2 weeks?

 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

The offense isn't bad because of Wentz; Wentz has been bad because of the offense.

The vast majority of NFL decision makers see it.

Well, if that's the case, it would manifest itself with a new QB playing, yes? 

15 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Rumor they mentioned on WIP from some guests they had on was that Lurie is interested in the Package Deal of Dorsey and Bieniemy. Not sure how true it is, but They mentioned word is Lurie will be in contact with Reid once again for his help. Not sure if its the best move but would be better on paper then what we have. 

Dorsey has a track record of evaluating talent and Bieniemy would be similar to when the Eagles gave AR a shot.

18 minutes ago, RLC said:

Firing Doug Pederson and keeping Howie Roseman is easily my least favorite outcome this off-season. 

Anything that involves keeping Roseman is my least favorite outcome.

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

Well, if that's the case, it would manifest itself with a new QB playing, yes? 

You don't want Doug fired -- so run through the current Eagles situation in your mind:

1) Schefter has reported if the Eagles don't win the division, "someone will lose their job"

2) The Eagles are one win away from taking back sole possession of first place in the division -- and perhaps a chance for him to keep his job

3) Since Doug has been head coach he has never started a QB other than Wentz unless injury has dictated he do so

4) Hurts hasn't shown anything in his very limited opportunities that would tell Doug he is ready to lead the offense

 

If your livelihood is on the line, you're not going to bet everything on an unknown.  The only way you'll see Hurts at QB is to start the 2nd half, if the Eagles are down 20 points and there is nothing to lose, so he'll give it a try and see what it brings.

This wouldn't "solve" the cap problems, but it would make it significantly more manageable. Cut Alshon/DSJ/Goodwin, restructure Slay/Hargrave and we're done before the season, allowing us to trade Ertz/Barnett should we want to. 

9 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The offense isn't bad because of Wentz; Wentz has been bad because of the offense.

The vast majority of NFL decision makers see it.

Moreover if Doug puts out hurts out there and hurts has the same struggles, I’m pretty sure people around the league are going to say the eagles and lurie signed off on wentz who was believed to be a franchise Qb and when they drafted hurts they did so saying they believed he was the next Russell Wilson so they believed he was a potential franchise QB. yet both of them struggled this year with doug. Yes that looks great on a resume. 

10 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

You don't want Doug fired -- so run through the current Eagles situation in your mind:

1) Schefter has reported if the Eagles don't win the division, "someone will lose their job"

2) The Eagles are one win away from taking back sole possession of first place in the division -- and perhaps a chance for him to keep his job

3) Since Doug has been head coach he has never started a QB other than Wentz unless injury has dictated he do so

4) Hurts hasn't shown anything in his very limited opportunities that would tell Doug he is ready to lead the offense

 

If your livelihood is on the line, you're not going to bet everything on an unknown.  The only way you'll see Hurts at QB is to start the 2nd half, if the Eagles are down 20 points and there is nothing to lose, so he'll give it a try and see what it brings.

 

1.Pederson could be the "fall guy" this year, I wouldn't know either way.

2. That would be great

3. True

4. Again, I wouldn't know.  I would be fine with starting Sudfeld if he's "more capable" atm.

 

Maybe.  There's still 5 game left so anything can happen between now and the end of the season.

And Doug Pederson is a "gambler" btw.

7 minutes ago, RLC said:

This wouldn't "solve" the cap problems, but it would make it significantly more manageable. Cut Alshon/DSJ/Goodwin, restructure Slay/Hargrave and we're done before the season, allowing us to trade Ertz/Barnett should we want to. 

We'll be about $46 million over the cap in this scenario after the $23 million from this year is rolled over. If you cut Alshon, Desean and Goodwin and trade Zach Ertz the Eagles will be about $24 million over the cap. Still not ideal but much more manageable.

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

 

1.Pederson could be the "fall guy" this year, I wouldn't know either way.

2. That would be great

3. True

4. Again, I wouldn't know.  I would be fine with starting Sudfeld if he's "more capable" atm.

 

Maybe.  There's still 5 game left so anything can happen between now and the end of the season.

Starting Sudfeld all but guarantees a 3-12-1 season; he's been objectively a lousy QB for the Eagles during his tenure.

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Starting Sudfeld all but guarantees a 3-12-1 season; he's been objectively a lousy QB for the Eagles during his tenure.

Well then start Hurts.  Either is fine with me. 

5 minutes ago, metal said:

We'll be about $46 million over the cap in this scenario after the $23 million from this year is rolled over. If you cut Alshon, Desean and Goodwin and trade Zach Ertz the Eagles will be about $24 million over the cap. Still not ideal but much more manageable.

They're about 65M over the cap with a 176M salary cap. If the cap goes up by 20M, that 65M becomes 45M. We have 23M in cap space to roll-over, so it becomes 22M over the cap for 2021. Cut Alshon/DSJ (13M) and that 22M becomes 9M. Small restructures for Slay/Hargrave can clear up 9M in cap space for 2021. 

You can't trade Ertz before the 2021 season to clear space. It has to be after if you want to trade him. 

7 minutes ago, metal said:

We'll be about $46 million over the cap in this scenario after the $23 million from this year is rolled over. If you cut Alshon, Desean and Goodwin and trade Zach Ertz the Eagles will be about $24 million over the cap. Still not ideal but much more manageable.

i'd cut malik jackson and IMO  i'm on the fence on the 5th year option for derek barnett

4 minutes ago, vaeagle2 said:

i'd cut malik jackson and IMO  i'm on the fence on the 5th year option for derek barnett

Malik jackson saves you no money until post-June 1. His dead money is 12.67 million and his cap savings is 967k before June 1 

A QB that I’d be happy the Eagles took a flyer on is Darnold. If it wasn’t for the Hurts pick I’d be happy to trade a 3rd for Darnold. Under the right system I think he could be a good starter in this league. 

1 hour ago, Wentz_Era said:

Did you imagine this complete dumpster fire we are in right now when the trade was made?  Your argument seems based on hindsight.  I honestly don't think that trading a 3rd for a top 5 CB, with it being a position of need was a bad thing at the time.  Ya now we can look back and say that 3rd would be nice, but at the time is was a steal.

Absolutely not.  The dumpster fire is a result of ALL the failures of Doug and the coaching staff to either refuse to, or not understand how to, 'put the players in their best position to make plays'.  Reagor has been used completely wrong.  Sanders is an afterthought now it seems.  Goedert should be able to step up in the absence of Ertz.  Wentz does well in the 2 minute and on roll outs, but they almost always refuse to use him that way.   Wentz has also regressed...  And those issues aren't on Howie.   But, Howie is to blame for the crap position we are in in terms of young talent and cap flexibility.

 

But, I was against the Slay trade when it was made, and I've seen nothing to change my mind at the time.   I said it then, and I'll repeat it... this axiom is fundamental to 'build' a team.  You don't use DOUBLE resources to build a team for a non-foundational player.  Trading for a player and then signing that player to a new deal means you get 1 player for 2 resources.   That's a horrible model.    The move, in a vacuum, is fine.  But, this problem isn't in a vacuum.  The team had no cap money, no young talent, and no flexibility.

2 hours ago, Wentz_Era said:

50/50 here, great burst and recovery but one could argue the guard tackling/falling on him stopped him from completely overrunning the play.

I don’t think so. 

Let's get him some targets today!