4 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

As good as I think Parsons is going to be, it's an offensive league and you can't get far in the playoffs if you can't put points up on the board. Chase would be the third straight year this team has invested high-end draft capital into a receiver with JJAW and Reagor. JJAW busted out and I still think Reagor will be fine. If the goal in 2021 is to rebuild Wentz and save him, you need to give him every possible asset on offense that you can.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Never know, zeke is on the decline. They might go running back again lol 😂😂😂

Pollard is already better than Zeke, but since Jerry caved they’re stuck with his bloated contract for another two years 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Pollard is already better than Zeke, but since Jerry caved they’re stuck with his bloated contract for another two years 

I like pollard. He does look like he is much more electric then zeke. Not sure if he can be a workhorse back. But i guess if you are forced to keep zeke you can split the carries.

I never put it past Jerry to do something dumb if he’s picking at 4. Probably take a parsons cause he’s worried about the decline of vander Esch. Not that Parsons isn’t good just i don’t think LB at four is worth the value 

If eagles end up with 6th pick it should go:

1. Chase

2. Sewell

3. Parsons 

unless of course one of those top QB are available, then I think you should consider it. 

32 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Yes.  If the Eagles could evaluate talent properly and coach players up properly I would be all for drafting Surtain Jr in the 1st round and waiting until the 2nd round for a WR.

They can’t, and can’t, so they simply cannot afford to pass on the best WR in the draft.

Dont worry......the Eagles will win 2 more games and just get out of reach for someone like Chase.

32 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

As good as I think Parsons is going to be, it's an offensive league and you can't get far in the playoffs if you can't put points up on the board. Chase would be the third straight year this team has invested high-end draft capital into a receiver with JJAW and Reagor. JJAW busted out and I still think Reagor will be fine. If the goal in 2021 is to rebuild Wentz and save him, you need to give him every possible asset on offense that you can.

If they somehow get Chase with Reagor, Fulgham and Hightower or Watkins, would be a nice group....assuming Reagor improves and Chase is the real deal.  

However, getting a solid WR group is important especially if Wentz is back, but they still need to add to the RB group.  Sanders is not enough.  I've been saying that if there is a good prospect available around the 2nd or 3rd round, take him.  One reason why the offense has been so bad is the lack of running the ball but also there is no depth.  Behind Sanders there is very little.  Besides WR, they need to strengthen that group too.  Maybe even add in FA at that position.

35 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

I think it is very likely Dallas goes QB. They had trouble signing Dak before his injury and it will probably be even harder for them to sign him now.  Dak will think he is even more valuable due to Dallas' bad year. But,  Jerry will probably want to sign him for even less due to the serious injury.  If Dallas is drafting in the top 10, then the would probably be very tempted to go QB.  Plus, it's Dallas. They would want a marquee QB name to sell the brand.

I was about to say I don’t think Jerry goes QB, he wants to win a SB now and not wait anymore but looked up his age and he’s only 78? I thought the dude was pushing late 80’s. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I was about to say I don’t think Jerry goes QB, he wants to win a SB now and not wait anymore but looked up his age and he’s only 78? I thought the dude was pushing late 80’s. 

19 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

If they somehow get Chase with Reagor, Fulgham and Hightower or Watkins, would be a nice group....assuming Reagor improves and Chase is the real deal.  

However, getting a solid WR group is important especially if Wentz is back, but they still need to add to the RB group.  Sanders is not enough.  I've been saying that if there is a good prospect available around the 2nd or 3rd round, take him.  One reason why the offense has been so bad is the lack of running the ball but also there is no depth.  Behind Sanders there is very little.  Besides WR, they need to strengthen that group too.  Maybe even add in FA at that position.

I wouldn't spend anything more than a third on an RB. It's not necessarily a devalued position but it's a position where you can find talent deeper in the draft if you have a FO and scouting department that knows what it's doing. You can also shore that up in free agency. If they went WR and LB/CB with their first two picks, I'd be happy with that. And I still think they have some pretty decent talent at RB on the roster now. Sanders and Scott are by no means scrubs, and they can keep Howard for next year as well if they want to. Those three would be a good triple threat. Their issue is a commitment to the run. 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

This. Even though I think Parsons will be a stud 

Disagree completely.
 

Think of how many top tier WRs in the league like Michael Thomas, Devante Adams, Deandre Hopkins, Metcalf etc were found in the late first/second rounds. 

 

Now think about DEs, LBs, and CBs. Top tier players like Young, Bosa, Kuechly, Ramsey, Lattimore, are almost always only found in the top 10. We need some young studs on defense badly. We haven’t invested more than a 3rd round pick on D in 3 drafts. A top tier player like one of those mentioned at DE, LB, or CB would make a world of difference on this team. 

19 minutes ago, wtfcares said:

Disagree completely.
 

Think of how many top tier WRs in the league like Michael Thomas, Devante Adams, Deandre Hopkins, Metcalf etc were found in the late first/second rounds. 

 

Now think about DEs, LBs, and CBs. Top tier players like Young, Bosa, Kuechly, Ramsey, Lattimore, are almost always only found in the top 10. We need some young studs on defense badly. We haven’t invested more than a 3rd round pick on D in 3 drafts. A top tier player like one of those mentioned at DE, LB, or CB would make a world of difference on this team. 

DE/CB, sure. LB no. Especially off ball LB’ers. Trotter was a third. Demeco Ryans was a second round pick and cost us a 4th. Kendricks was a 2nd. Bradham was a 4th that was a cheap FA. Hicks a 3rd. You can get quality LBers later on. I’d agree with DE just don’t like this class or the top prospect. Don’t see anyone near the level of either Bosa or Young. CB I’d be fine with if its like Surtain Jr or maybe Farley depending where we land. I’m not sure either are Ramsey level prospects though. 
 

As far as WR, yea you can find studs later on, but for every guy you listed I could probably name 4 to 5 busts in each round those guys were taken. Hell, two of the guys you listed we literally could have drafted but passed for a different WR. 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, wtfcares said:

Disagree completely.
 

Think of how many top tier WRs in the league like Michael Thomas, Devante Adams, Deandre Hopkins, Metcalf etc were found in the late first/second rounds. 

 

Now think about DEs, LBs, and CBs. Top tier players like Young, Bosa, Kuechly, Ramsey, Lattimore, are almost always only found in the top 10. We need some young studs on defense badly. We haven’t invested more than a 3rd round pick on D in 3 drafts. A top tier player like one of those mentioned at DE, LB, or CB would make a world of difference on this team. 

Just saying the Eagles over the last three years have spent a ton of money on defense with their salary cap. you traded or signed Michael Bennett, Malik jackson, Jonathan Hargrave, Darius slay, Ngata and they extended bradham after 2017. Also brought back mcleod and darby (one year). All those guys had decent to significant Numbers. That’s the reason why they haven’t spent a high draft here since 2018 on a defensive player. Because They keep spending money on defensive side of the ball.

Meanwhile you go look at free agency from 2018 until this year who did they add that was a significant cap Number or major acquisition to this team? Mike wallace (really was a 2.5 million dollar deal and i believe not even that against the cap). Jordan Howard last year. And he didn’t have a significant Number number he was on a rookie deal. They really haven’t spent the money in free agency on offense they’ve gone to offense in the draft to make up for the fact they haven’t gone to free agency to address it. 

On 12/7/2020 at 7:04 PM, Iggles_Phan said:

Because this coaching staff insists on fitting square pegs into round holes... same logic as to why they throw flanker screens to Ward rather than Reagor.  Or run Boston Scott in short yardage.  McLeod is a good centerfielder... Wallace is better as a SS near the LOS, so of course you line up McLeod in the box as a SS and put Wallace 20 yards off the LOS.  It's simple.

I'd have to go back and watch the plays in question, but I brought it up when it happened but quickly noticed we were running 3 S's and 2 CB's and Rod was covering the slot with Mills in the box and Wallace deeeeeeeep at the right hash.

8 hours ago, greend said:

You're excited for what reason? If he wins it will be from running and teams not having film on him only to find out later that he was Fulgham gold. And there goes our precious high draft picks.

 

He won't win. But it isn't really about that at this point. I'm just glad we get to see what the kid has and also that we get to see something different. This offense has been so dull and boring to watch. It's become painful.

9 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I don’t think so. I think they’ll just have Jenkins spy him and we won’t have any creative counter punch. I wouldn’t be surprised if Jenkins calls out the plays ahead of time tbh, seems like nothing really changed from last year. 

Last time we played the Saints they were calling out our playcalls and Jenkins was on our team.

 

12 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

If they trade Wentz, I want a new GM and HC being the ones making these decisions, not the current dopes.

 

Just to be clear... when a HC and GM make a move like these guys did to go get Wentz at #2 in the draft trading way up, giving up a ton of draft capital... they've hitched their wagon to that QB, so when he fails... they've failed.  Its as simple as that.  I said it back when they decided to make the move up to #2... that a HC should get to decide which QB he wants to have his career tied to... and well, they made that decision with Wentz in 2016.  They re-committed their marriage vows to him when they gave him that big contract.  So, if Wentz is going down, they ALL need to go down.  This isn't a case of moving on from an aging veteran, this is a case of "you are declaring that you made the wrong decision", so you have to go too.

Further.. it will be interesting to see how they manage to get under the cap to make a trade possible.   Obviously, they'd need to get Wentz on board to renegotiate his contract and he'd have to give money back to make a trade possible, because they can't take the hit a trade will cost AND get under the cap.  I think it is mathematically impossible.   I'll have to look at that more to see if its even a possibility.  So, this only happens with Wentz's ok, and he goes where he wants to go... paging Frank Reich... 

25 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Further.. it will be interesting to see how they manage to get under the cap to make a trade possible.   Obviously, they'd need to get Wentz on board to renegotiate his contract and he'd have to give money back to make a trade possible, because they can't take the hit a trade will cost AND get under the cap.  I think it is mathematically impossible.   I'll have to look at that more to see if its even a possibility.  So, this only happens with Wentz's ok, and he goes where he wants to go... paging Frank Reich... 

Once the new league starts, they will save cap space by trading him. They don't need his assistance, or permission, to trade him. 

11 minutes ago, RLC said:

Once the new league starts, they will save cap space by trading him. They don't need his assistance, or permission, to trade him. 

They can't trade him until they are under the cap.  And trading him with his contract the way it currently is, saves about $900k.  Not exactly a windfall.

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

They can't trade him until they are under the cap.  And trading him with his contract the way it currently is, saves about $900k.  Not exactly a windfall.

If Wentz is washed, trading him and saving 900K is still better than keeping him.

Hopefully the cap goes up to 195M. That would be very helpful.

Just now, RLC said:

If Wentz is washed, trading him and saving 900K is still better than keeping him.

Hopefully the cap goes up to 195M. That would be very helpful.

If Wentz is washed, obviously, moving on would be best, and saving all the cap space in 2022 and beyond would be a windfall, however... they are projected to be $65M over the cap right now by some estimates.   If the cap goes to $195M, they'd still be somewhere between $31M and $41M over (depending on if spotrac or overthecap have the right numbers... so I laid out a scenario yesterday with trimming $35M before the league year starts to meet in the middle and make trades possible).  The Eagles would need to trim ~$35M off the cap (+/- $5M) to get under the cap first, before making the trade.  

 

In my scenario, the first $17M is easy.  Alshon ($8M), Desean ($5M), Goodwin ($4M).  After that it gets hard, especially without moving Wentz' $34M cap number around.  I moved that to a signing bonus, pushing more money to the future, and freed up $18M, getting to the magic $35M number.  Then trades could happen.   

But, for a trade of Wentz to happen, either one of two things has to happen... they need to find a way to trim $18M more off the cap and trade him with his existing contract... or they need him to renegotiate and lower his number, and might still need to trim some other salaries to get under the cap, then trade him.

Trading him is possible, but only if they are under the cap, and his cap number being the biggest and just at the beginning of his extension, his money is the easiest to move around to help the team save the money.  But, signing bonus money gets accelerated up to this year, which means the prorated portion of what he already got will offset the $25M guaranteed salary and $10M roster bonus, assuming they make the trade early enough that the roster bonus counts against the new team, not the Eagles.

7 hours ago, wtfcares said:

Disagree completely.
 

Think of how many top tier WRs in the league like Michael Thomas, Devante Adams, Deandre Hopkins, Metcalf etc were found in the late first/second rounds. 

 

Now think about DEs, LBs, and CBs. Top tier players like Young, Bosa, Kuechly, Ramsey, Lattimore, are almost always only found in the top 10. We need some young studs on defense badly. We haven’t invested more than a 3rd round pick on D in 3 drafts. A top tier player like one of those mentioned at DE, LB, or CB would make a world of difference on this team. 

I wouldn't mind if they drafted Parsons.  I think picking Parsons over Chase or Sewell would be a mistake.  LB just isn't as important as WR.  A dynamic playmaker at WR would make a dramatic impact on the team over the longer term.  I think talented players can be found in any round but the goal is to take the most talented player at the most important position for the team.  

Watching the posts about the CAP i find it funny that the cap rules are so convoluted that no one seems to be able to figure it out.

My guess it was written this way on purpose.