26 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I wouldn't mind if they drafted Parsons.  I think picking Parsons over Chase or Sewell would be a mistake.  LB just isn't as important as WR.  A dynamic playmaker at WR would make a dramatic impact on the team over the longer term.  I think talented players can be found in any round but the goal is to take the most talented player at the most important position for the team.  

IMHO... when drafting in the top 5, the priorities are about longevity and impact of position, not necessarily the player... which is why QBs get overdrafted at #1.  

But, QB is the single most important position... followed immediately by OL, specifically OT, even more pointed LT (though that is becoming a little bit less important in today's NFL).  

QB, LT... then there's a big dropoff.  

The next tier is stopping the QB... so, DE and CB.  But, CBs hands are tied more now than ever before, and more teams are throwing 3 and 4 WRs out there, instead of just 2, so that mitigates the impact of a stud CB.  So, DE wins by a wide margin over CB. 

The next tier is then also about helping the QB... which means WR.  They can play for a long time, because their bodies generally don't take the pounding of other positions.  So, with that said, there's not debate.  

Sewell is the pick over Chase... in a landslide.  And Chase would be the pick over Parsons for that same reason.   If Parsons is a stud 3 down LB, he's a great pick in the top 10, because those other players just can't stack up... but in the top 5... 

 

If I were ranking the top 5 players, it would go Lawrence, Sewell, Chase, Surtain, Wyatt Davis, and then Parsons.   Fields is not a top 5 pick to me, but he's a QB, so some team will pick him at #2, if not the Jags, then someone will trade up to their pick and take him.  And, because a team will take an extra QB in the draft, Parsons will fall out of the top 5.   Wyatt Davis is an OG though, so his value isn't top 5 either.  But, he's going to be a steal for a team outside the top 10.  And frankly, I think Davis might end up being the best player to come out of this draft.   But, I've been known to fall in love with prospects before and have it not turn out well.

3 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Watching the posts about the CAP i find it funny that the cap rules are so convoluted that no one seems to be able to figure it out.

My guess it was written this way on purpose.

Lawyers  🙄.   It's not about the math... it's about the rules that you have to apply to the math, and there's intentional grey areas that teams try to exploit.  

The problem right now is the decision to trade or attempt to rehabilitate Wentz cannot be made by the current leadership.  The only thing our combination of Personnel people, coaches and top leadership have proven is that what they think and what they are doing is not working.  I recognize that it is absolutely in their best interests to show marked improvement for the balance of the year, which would I’ve them the opportunity to blame the struggles this year on Wentz.  Thus, the current leaks are not a surprise and I expect they come right from the top.

It’s a very bad situation, because the best interests of these people is directly opposed to the best interests of the franchise.  

It’s pretty simple for me.  A QB is invaluable, and if the problems this year are multiple and Wentz can return to his prior form, trading him is a bad idea.  If Wentz is washed as some said, then yes, trade him now and I do think they will get an offer.  It almost doesn’t matter what you get back.

My hope here is that a new GM and personnel department along with a new coaching staff make that evaluation and these decisions.  The current group CANNOT be allowed to dole out a franchise QB contract, take other QBs high in the draft, talk about QB factories, and then just decide to destroy the cap and trade Wentz the next year.  Do you see how insane that is?  Please tell me you see it.  We cannot set the bar that low.  CANNOT BE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN.  The owner needs to know this.

7 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Watching the posts about the CAP i find it funny that the cap rules are so convoluted that no one seems to be able to figure it out.

My guess it was written this way on purpose.

No confusion at all

If Carson Wentz is traded next year, the Eagles have a dead cap hit of 33.8 million, and save 850k against the cap.

13 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I been on the fence with this pick. I like Patrick Surtain, but I truly believe this defense is above average. almost "good" in todays league standards. Same with Parsons. 

With that being said, grabbing Jamar Chase means he's your #1 outside. You can move Reagor to a true "wild cat guy"(Every Punt / Kick Returns, have him line up inside, outside, in the backfield, think Cordell Patterson/Christian  Kirk. and then you figure something out with Ward/Fulgham  and your o-line should be "decent/good" if healthy. and You can also use a high 3rd to grab someone to support that. 

I think CB is a big need.  I kind of like Farley more than Surtain but I know Farley has had some injury issues.  Replacing Maddox on the outside and allowing him to move into the slot would make the defense a lot better.  

4 minutes ago, John_C said:

My hope here is that a new GM and personnel department along with a new coaching staff make that evaluation and these decisions.  The current group CANNOT be allowed to dole out a franchise QB contract, take other QBs high in the draft, talk about QB factories, and then just decide to destroy the cap and trade Wentz the next year.  Do you see how insane that is?  Please tell me you see it.  We cannot set the bar that low.  CANNOT BE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN.  The owner needs to know this.

Counter-point. Howie is the person most invested in Wentz. Howie has articulated he's too loyal. If even Howie thinks he's done, that should be a signal that a trade should happen.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Further.. it will be interesting to see how they manage to get under the cap to make a trade possible.   Obviously, they'd need to get Wentz on board to renegotiate his contract and he'd have to give money back to make a trade possible, because they can't take the hit a trade will cost AND get under the cap.  I think it is mathematically impossible.   I'll have to look at that more to see if its even a possibility.  So, this only happens with Wentz's ok, and he goes where he wants to go... paging Frank Reich... 

Yep.  Lots of moving parts.  And the main one is that it would likely need to be Indy/Reich for it to happen.

12 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I actually still like quez Watkins as a slot receiver. I just knew it was going to take maybe 2-3 years for him to get to the position to have him be that guy. The issue was he wasn’t close to being ready. He needs to add bulk and become more refined at route running and adapt to the jump in level of competition. 

I actually like Hightower more as a slot WR and Watkins as a Z.   I think Fulgham might have the quickness, agility and body control for the slot too.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Further.. it will be interesting to see how they manage to get under the cap to make a trade possible.   Obviously, they'd need to get Wentz on board to renegotiate his contract and he'd have to give money back to make a trade possible, because they can't take the hit a trade will cost AND get under the cap.  I think it is mathematically impossible.   I'll have to look at that more to see if its even a possibility.  So, this only happens with Wentz's ok, and he goes where he wants to go... paging Frank Reich... 

In the NFL you can’t give money back.  They can move bonuses etc, but all you are doing is moving the cap hit down the line.  As you can see from our current mess, it always catches up.

And why would Carson restructure to get traded ??

Wentz is washed, who is going to trade for him when you can get Lawrence, Fields, Trask, Alabama QB etc on rookie contracts. 

1 minute ago, John_C said:

The problem right now is the decision to trade or attempt to rehabilitate Wentz cannot be made by the current leadership.  The only thing our combination of Personnel people, coaches and top leadership have proven is that what they think and what they are doing is not working.  I recognize that it is absolutely in their best interests to show marked improvement for the balance of the year, which would I’ve them the opportunity to blame the struggles this year on Wentz.  Thus, the current leaks are not a surprise and I expect they come right from the top.

It’s a very bad situation, because the best interests of these people is directly opposed to the best interests of the franchise.  

It’s pretty simple for me.  A QB is invaluable, and if the problems this year are multiple and Wentz can return to his prior form, trading him is a bad idea.  If Wentz is washed as some said, then yes, trade him now and I do think they will get an offer.  It almost doesn’t matter what you get back.

My hope here is that a new GM and personnel department along with a new coaching staff make that evaluation and these decisions.  The current group CANNOT be allowed to dole out a franchise QB contract, take other QBs high in the draft, talk about QB factories, and then just decide to destroy the cap and trade Wentz the next year.  Do you see how insane that is?  Please tell me you see it.  We cannot set the bar that low.  CANNOT BE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN.  The owner needs to know this.

1000% !

They committed to Wentz in 2016 when the traded the farm to select him.
They doubled down on that commitment after the 2018 season when they chose to stick with him over Foles.  (Please, let's not get into that debate, its water under the bridge.) 
They then tripled that commitment when they signed him to a mega-QB contract just before the 2019 season.

And he carries them to the playoffs with a 4k yard passing performance with Deontay Burnett, Greg Ward, Robert Davis and Josh Perkins!   He did it without any WR gaining 500 yards.  

So, the team 'rewards' him by drafting a QB in Round 2, rather than putting weapons around him.  I know some are against a RB in Round 2, but how good would it be to have JK Dobbins to lean on with Miles Sanders splitting carries.  Or maybe get an OL in Round 2 that can step in for the aging Jason Peters when you KNOW that he can't finish a season under normal circumstances.  Ezra Cleveland or Damien Lewis would have been a nice selection.  Or maybe a LB that can actually get on the field in Wilson or Gay.  Or a Safety that can help generate turnovers in Chinn.   But, no.  They decided to draft a project QB to be the backup.   And they want to pin the issues on Wentz.... while he suffers behind a makeshift OL, with WRs that are new to the NFL and seem to not care very much, with a coach that refuses to commit to the running game, even though it was the running game that really helped to carry the 2017 team along and made the passing game easier. 

 

Sorry... does not compute.  Maybe Wentz is broken irreparably, but these bozos don't get to make that call and destroy the franchise any further than their current hubris already has. 

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

I actually like Hightower more as a slot WR and Watkins as a Z.   I think Fulgham might have the quickness, agility and body control for the slot too.

I’m not against Hightower as a slot guy either if they evaluate him at that. In the Seahawks game they actually had him in the slot multiple times. They actually had a play later in the 4th quarter where he runs a go route from the slot. Would’ve been a wide open touchdown if not for Matt pryor completely getting abused from the snap.

Not sure i believe Watkins will ever have enough bulk or be able to consistently get off jams on the outside enough to win. I’m willing to try it. Especially once we are mathematically eliminated. At that point just see what he can give you heading into next year. 

9 minutes ago, downundermike said:

No confusion at all

If Carson Wentz is traded next year, the Eagles have a dead cap hit of 33.8 million, and save 850k against the cap.

IF they do it before Day 3 of the league year.  If they do it after then, the $10M roster bonus counts against the Eagles.  Bumping that total to $43.8M and cost the Eagles an extra $9.2M in dead money.

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

In the NFL you can’t give money back.  They can move bonuses etc, but all you are doing is moving the cap hit down the line.  As you can see from our current mess, it always catches up.

And why would Carson restructure to get traded ??

Assuming Howie and Doug come back... why would he want to be here?  And if he can pick his landing spot... I think that would absolutely be in his best interest.

 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

1000% !

They committed to Wentz in 2016 when the traded the farm to select him.
They doubled down on that commitment after the 2018 season when they chose to stick with him over Foles.  (Please, let's not get into that debate, its water under the bridge.) 
They then tripled that commitment when they signed him to a mega-QB contract just before the 2019 season.

And he carries them to the playoffs with a 4k yard passing performance with Deontay Burnett, Greg Ward, Robert Davis and Josh Perkins!   He did it without any WR gaining 500 yards.  

So, the team 'rewards' him by drafting a QB in Round 2, rather than putting weapons around him.  I know some are against a RB in Round 2, but how good would it be to have JK Dobbins to lean on with Miles Sanders splitting carries.  Or maybe get an OL in Round 2 that can step in for the aging Jason Peters when you KNOW that he can't finish a season under normal circumstances.  Ezra Cleveland or Damien Lewis would have been a nice selection.  Or maybe a LB that can actually get on the field in Wilson or Gay.  Or a Safety that can help generate turnovers in Chinn.   But, no.  They decided to draft a project QB to be the backup.   And they want to pin the issues on Wentz.... while he suffers behind a makeshift OL, with WRs that are new to the NFL and seem to not care very much, with a coach that refuses to commit to the running game, even though it was the running game that really helped to carry the 2017 team along and made the passing game easier. 

 

Sorry... does not compute.  Maybe Wentz is broken irreparably, but these bozos don't get to make that call and destroy the franchise any further than their current hubris already has. 

As the president of the Ezra Cleveland fan club they would be in a much better position with their offensive line right now if they went in that direction. He is super athletic. So he could either start at right tackle right now which is a problem. And as soon as Brandon Brooks got hurt he’s athletic enough where you can move him in to the guard position and have success. I think he’s going to wind up being a good pick for the Vikings in time. I think he needed an off-season to be the player you ideally want but he would be better than the options they had once Brooks, Dillard and lane went down. I believe Stoutland could’ve had a ton of success with a guy like that.

After watching the Cowpies it looks like Daks injury might have been the best thing to happen to him.

It gives him lots of leverage.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

 

If Hurts is really good, they will be paying one year of market value for a qb and then get two years of really cheap play, plus whatever they can get for Wentz. So the only question left to answer is whether or not Hurts is any good.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

As the president of the Ezra Cleveland fan club they would be in a much better position with their offensive line right now if they went in that direction. He is super athletic. So he could either start at right tackle right now which is a problem. And as soon as Brandon Brooks got hurt he’s athletic enough where you can move him in to the guard position and have success. I think he’s going to wind up being a good pick for the Vikings in time. I think he needed an off-season to be the player you ideally want but he would be better than the options they had once Brooks, Dillard and lane went down. I believe Stoutland could’ve had a ton of success with a guy like that.

Yup.  I was a fan of his as well, and was looking at OL because I knew the time was coming and coming quickly for the aged OL to catch up to us.  And without Vaitai, the swing OT position was a giant ???.  Mailata has impressed, but you can never have enough OTs in the NFL.  And its much easier, IMO, to move an OT to OG, than an OG to OT.

It’s amazing that the Rams are able to win with Goff and Sean McVay adjusting what he really wants to do on offense. I feel that McVay is limited on his playbook with Jared Goff. I think there’s another element to those offense but he just can’t do because Goff is just limited and he has to tailor to that type of offense to fit Goff. I’m pretty positive part of the reason (besides the concussions) Brandin cooks was traded was because he didn’t find his cap value to be justified when they couldn’t use him the way to maximize him with Goff 

 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Yup.  I was a fan of his as well, and was looking at OL because I knew the time was coming and coming quickly for the aged OL to catch up to us.  And without Vaitai, the swing OT position was a giant ???.  Mailata has impressed, but you can never have enough OTs in the NFL.  And its much easier, IMO, to move an OT to OG, than an OG to OT.

He’s been OK for Minnesota so far when he’s played but I kind of feel his rookie year he would just be average anyways. I thought his transition from his rookie year to a second-year when you got him in the weight room and you had off-season activities with him he would make a big jump. Minnesota is using them as a guard right now. I think for a guard he is extremely athletic. For a tackle he was very athletic. So you would’ve had the option of having a guard who is terrifically athletic or a tackle who is very athletic. There was a lot to work with as a prospect. I still think Scotland would’ve been great for him. After the big 3 and Austin Jackson he was my favorite tackle/guard prospect. I was ok if they pulled the trigger at 53 on him. 

 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

He’s been OK for Minnesota so far when he’s played but I kind of feel his rookie year he would just be average anyways. I thought his transition from his rookie year to a second-year when you got him in the weight room and you had off-season activities with him he would make a big jump. Minnesota is using them as a guard right now. I think for a guard he is extremely athletic. For a tackle he was very athletic. So you would’ve had the option of having a guard who is terrifically athletic or a tackle who is very athletic. There was a lot to work with as a prospect. I still think Scotland would’ve been great for him. After the big 3 and Austin Jackson he was my favorite tackle/guard prospect. I was ok if they pulled the trigger at 53 on him. 

Agreed...  but average would have been a giant improvement over Pryor and Jamon Brown, and now Peters, at RG, no?   Which is why Herbig is playing now... because he's about average.

14 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Said this numerous times. If you gave Mcvay truth serum he would beg for Wentz over Goff. Even today In my opinion.

Also, and I took a ton of grief for this since Mcvay won coach of the year, I've shouted from roof tops that Mcvay was a WAY BETTER offensive mind than Doug. 

It appears that bar isn't set very high

18 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

1) I doubt he's washed

2) A lot of teams would trade for him 

Who? Who is picking up that contract with all those QBs in the draft?